Which Camera for Cape York- Kodak or Panasonic

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:14
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Hi Guys,

I'm looking for a new camera with a Cape York trip in mind.

I like the look of the Panasonic FZ5 and Kodak Z712 These two have 12X Optical zoom which I reckon would be good for taking photoss of snakes and Crocs fram a safe distance.

Does anyone have any experience with these cameras, or do you have any thoughts on what would be a suitable camera for some off road work.

Regards
Geoff
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Reply By: Voxson - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:20

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:20
Dont get too excited about seeing crocs during the day anywhere much around the cape.
They are there but dont expect to see many.
You will see heaps of snakes,,, dead and alive....

Sony Cybershot has been good for me on those type of trips..
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Follow Up By: ctaplin - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 22:12

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 22:12
About time you started using that camera a bit more or maybe time you upgraded as from that old 5 megapixel dinosaur???

Having said that, you took a nice Croc & Buff shot after you visited my backyard this year, maybe you should post them?
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Follow Up By: ctaplin - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 22:48

Follow Up By: Voxson - Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:50

Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:50
Yeah, The one difference between the crocs i saw in your back yard and the ones i dont see on the cape are the ones in your back yard are always ready for a challenge and are not afraid to show themselves in your face.....

I was more afraid of the buffalo anyway...
They have no fear at that property we were at....

The Saratoga and Tarpon had no fear either.....
I would rather go back and fish in that billabong anyday as apposed to catching a metre long Barra....

It is the only place i have ever fished where there is a huge bite every cast,,, and quite often several..



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Reply By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:27

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:27
Hi Geoff
I have known a number of people who have had problems with the Kodak computer software that they supply with their cameras. Other than that no comment on the brands. 12 x optical zoom is very good, but you will need to have extremely steady hands to get the benefit from it. My experience with an 8x optical zoom is that for the best shots I have to use the tripod. All right for crocs I suppose, but the slithery guys usually wont wait and smile for the camera. My current camera is a Ricoh which I bought specifically because of its speedy turn on time and wide angle lens. But I certainly wouldn't push its barrow as being a great camera.

teege
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:40

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:40
I have an Olympus 20x Optical zoom. This is our 3rd Olympus the other 2 have been passed on to the kids. There a pretty good camera I prefer the picture quality from Olympus ! the colours seem more natural Eg: red is red and not a shade of brown Etc.

You get use to keeping steady after about 2000 shots on full zoom.

cheers.
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Reply By: philip t jones - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:47

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:47
Hi geof

12x Zoom is good, most modern cameras have dual I/S mode to reduce movement when on zoom which works well

Phil
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Reply By: Stevesub1 - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:54

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:54
I have a Kodak Z8612 as one of my 3 cameras. It has a 12x optical zoom plus 5x digital so if you really want to, you get 60x zoom and it works well. It also has some sort of digital image stabilization so you can take non-blurred photos without a tripod.

I did not believe it was any good until I took a few photos at 60x including surfers - and am amazed at the clarity.

Now the down side - the battery life is bad, real bad when compared with my 2 Canon cameras. I bought a couple of rechargeable batteries off eBay that are OK but if you have to buy normal batteries, it will cost you a fortune. I am lucky to get 100 shots from a battery.

Next problem which is more serious for me. If I take photos where there is both dark and light on the same photo, the Kodak cannot handle it and the whites are over exposed and the darks are under exposed - I have tried every trick i know and it does not help. This affects around 5% of the photos that I take which is why I also take a small Canon with me. I have seem other model Kodak cameras with the same problem.

Now my real camera is a SLR Canon EOS20D - that is the best but it cost heaps, it bigger than my 2 smaller cameras put together and I do not have a good zoom lens and cannot justify buying one. This camera takes great photos with no problems.

Stevesub
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Reply By: Top End Explorer - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:21

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:21
Hi Geoff

I googled Panasonic FZ5 and they seem to be around the $800 mark, you can get a entry level Canon or Nikon SLR with a twin lens kit for a few $$ more, we have a canon 400 D that I now use and I bought the wife a 50 D for a wedding anniversary gift.

The 400D is great and Anja has taken many fantastic wildlife photo's with it, go to HERE and click on our Flicker Acc and look at some of the photo's we have taken with it, although she now prefers the new one.

Cheers Steve.

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Reply By: dbish - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:39

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:39
Afterhaving a Kodak camera which died 2Mths out of warranty, then try & remove Kodak easy share program from computer impossible without corupting other programs, & expensive battery. I wont be buying Kodak again.
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Reply By: landed eagle - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:46

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:46
Have a look at the Pentax K-M SLR too. I use the superceded model K200D with a 18-55mm and a 70-300mm zoom lens. Paid just under a grand for it 18 months ago. Brilliant thing!
If you want close up crocs, go for a 300mm lens. It's like they're under your feet.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:47

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 17:47
Hi Geoff,

Have had a Panasonic FZ20 for about 5 years now. Have taken it on 4 big trips and close to 20,000 shots later its still going strong. Not sure if its still available new, but batteries and other accessories are available on eBay. About 3 years ago we added an FZ50 to our collection and it too has been excellent although it is a bit different to the FZ20 (more manual options). Both have the same excellent lens and stabilizer and 12x zoom facility. And they are very capable using the macro mode - we gave this a real workout taking photos of flowers this year. The battery life is good - we use a 12v charger while travelling. Good instruction manual.
Have a look at any of our blogs to get some idea of picture quality. Have no hesitation in recommending these cameras.

HTH,

Val.
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Reply By: StormyKnight - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:05

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:05
Yep I have a Panasonic FZ-30, 12x Zoom.

All of these photos below have been taken with it,

http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/Stormy_Knight/


Pro's.....
Good battery life, doesn't use AA's but the batteries are very available from the internet - I also picked up a 12V battery charger to suit, so I currently have 3 for rotation.

12x Zoom with stabilzation - excelent

For its size it handles a wide range of zoom ranges, its not too heavy to carry or pack either.

Cons..

The only thing I find is that you need plenty of light, so inside photos need the flash enabled & long distances inside for example where the flash dosen't reach will be dark & grainy.....probably not any more than any other long zoom non-slr camera though - an external flash could be added to help with that if required.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:07

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:07
PS Forgot to add, on that web site click on the albumns on the left for more photos....
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 19:08

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 19:08
Ive had its older brother th FZ50 for 3 years - very happy.

seeing as they are no longer available I would be looking for a runout Panasonic FZ28 with its venus4 processor and 18x zoom.

it recently tied for 1st in a superzoom test of all brands on DPreview
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Follow Up By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:29

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:29
I have an FZ30. Doubt that it has really been surpassed by the later "ultra zoom" cameras such as the FZ28. They have moved in a different direction. The expensive "bridge cameras" like FZ20, FZ30 and FZ50 are no longer made.

You can get a bottom end SLR for less money and that is largely why they are no longer made. The current "ultra zooms" are not in the same class as the earlier cameras. They have been cheapened down.

For ultimate wildlife photography something like the new Nikon D3s or D300s and the new 70-200 VRII lens would be hard, probably impossible, to beat.

For a small fraction of that price a good second hand FZ30 or FZ50 or one of the numerous newer ultrazoom cameras would do much the same job except in poor light or quickly moving subjects where the D3s Nikon is unsurpassed.

Flynnie

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 23:24

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 23:24
I bought an oympus Tcon 17 for mine.screws straight on and gives you a DSLR equivelent of 700mm of full optical zoom and contrary to what has been said elsewhere the OIS makes clear images at full zoom easy
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:06

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:06
Whatever you buy get the longest OPTICAL zoom that you can Once you extend to digital zoom the image degrades.

IF price is no object a Nikon D90 with a Tamron 18--270 zoom lens is the ultimate setup.

It is 12 megapixels and can take HD video as well

I have an older NIkon D200 which can take 5 frames a sec, is 10 megapixels and use the Tamron lens above.

The lens retails for $950 upwards but is a fantastic thing to use as it gives 26-400 35mm equvilent approx

It has vibration reduction as well but you need a steady hand at full extension if using slow speeds
Have fun

The reason I bought a DSLR is that with a normal digital camera there is a delay after you press the button before it takes the pic.

I went whale watching and have a lot of pics of whales disappearing so bought the SLR

Now I put it on High quality continuous and bang off 25 or so in 5 secs then just edit out the bad ones.

The battery in either of these will take in excess of 600 shots no trouble
and it recharges in about an hour. Buy two but ONLY GENUINE NIKON $103 each but can tell you where to get them for half that.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: dazza62 - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:30

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:30
Can second the Nikon Digital SLR's.

Have had a D70s for a few years now with lens ranging from 12 mm to 400 mm.

Whilst you don't need 400 mm with it you can see the decay on a croc's teeth without feeling threatened LOL.

Advantages of SLR whether it be Canon, Pentax, Nikon or any other brand is that any lens you purchase can be used on upgraded cameras should you wish.

At this time of year some great deals are around on SLR's that offer better value for money.

Don't be afraid to purchase offshore from reputable dealers. I know I did and have saved heaps.

Cheers Dazza.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:59

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:59
A word of warning here

If you buy offshore and it has a fault Nikon Australia wont want to know you.

Nikon cameras have COUNTRY OF ORIGIN warranty only

That means buy it in the USA on holiday and it goes back there to get it fixed.

Or Hong Kong through EBAY. Some Ebay sellers say they have an Aussie

Warranty but who is it and are they any good.

Lens however have a worldwide guarantee.

I bought mine here and glad I did as had a problem with the lens Took 45mins

to fix it but had to drive from Albany to Perth andback to get in done straight

away.



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Follow Up By: dazza62 - Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:21

Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:21
I am aware of a Canon Digital SLR repaired under warranty by Canon Australia. Only cost was postage to the repairer. No doubt Nikon would provide a similar service as they do stand by their products. Worst case would be the cost of postage back O/S.

Appreciate you had a problem with your lens Graham, however you did say it was Tamron not Nikon.

With the cost savings available from O/S IMO the risk is worth it if you buy from a reputable dealer and a worldwide brand.

The choice is yours.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:19

Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:19
Below is the information regarding Private imports or "Grey Imports and Nikons stance on them.

When You buy a Nikon Camera you have to register the s/n with Nikon If its not correctly imported the data base wont accept it.

I had a 5700 bought in Hong Kong and couldnt register it.

Some will fix it but at about $100 per hour plus postage both ways

I checked all this with Nikon BEFORE I bought my D200

From the Nikon Site

Question
What is the Grey Market?

Answer
What is "Grey Market"?
Generally, a manufacturer works with a single importer who can sell and support their products in a given region. The importer usually has local dealers and distributors who resell the imported products; this is called a "distribution channel". Grey Market refers to merchandise that is imported and sold by methods other than these normal channels.

For local safety regulations and certifications and government requirements a manufacturer provides special packaging (manuals in the appropriate language, power cables designed for the local receptacle, etc.) and product engineering designed to meet local codes. Manufacturers also have service and support agreements with the authorized importer.

Grey Market items are not designed to be sold in a particular market and cannot be supported by the authorized importer because they may not meet mandatory safety and certification codes. Because these items are not designed for a particular market they may not function properly, or the authorized importer may not be equipped to provide service, support or software.

With the opening of international borders and the use of the Internet to sell goods, Grey Market equipment has become extremely common in the photographic and consumer electronics markets. Many different types of equipment are brought into the country for sale without the proper documentation and many consumers do not always know what they are purchasing.

Because the resellers' cost is less they can sell Grey Market items for less. Unfortunately this price savings is only on the initial purchase; because service and support is more difficult to obtain it may end up costing the consumer more in the long run.

Who is the authorized importer of Nikon Equipment into my country?
For a list of Nikon Authorised Distributors in the Asia Pacific region, please click here.

Nikon Authorised Distributors cannot provide service, support or downloads for products that have not been imported by them.

How do I know if my Nikon product is "Grey Market"?
If the deal is just too good to be true, it probably is. One of the first indicators that a piece of Nikon merchandise might be Grey Market is if the price is considerably less than most other resellers.

Additionally, a genuine Nikon product will include an Owners' Manual and Warranty Registration card in English. It will also include power cables (if applicable). Any other language (example Japanese language) on the printed material or wrong cables indicates a Grey Market item.

Another indication of a Grey Market product would be photocopied manuals or manually created software CD's. Authorised distributors in a country always provides professionally printed or duplicated materials with genuine products.

What does owning a "Grey Market" Nikon product mean to you?
Nikon Authorised Distributor in a country cannot provide any technical support or warranty service on Grey Market items. Additionally they cannot perform any fee-based repair work on Grey Market items. Please do not contact any Nikon Authorised Distributors for help with any Grey Market products. Please contact the reseller or importer of your Grey Market items for warranty and service information as well as software updates and downloads.

Does owning a "Grey Market" Nikon product mean I don't have a warranty?
No! All Nikon products come with a warranty by the manufacturer. The designated Nikon service center will always repair "in warranty" Nikon products and perform "out of warranty" repairs. If you own a Grey Market product it will need to be returned to the reseller or importer for service. Refer to your reseller or to the warranty cards included with the product for service contact information.



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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 20:59

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 20:59
I recently added the Olympus E520 with 70-300 zoom lens - With this camera it doubles the lens focal length - This is now my main birdy camera - Entry level kit
was $1100 with big zoom and a 14-42 mm lens ..
10 Megapixels and 600mm lens - hard to beat .

Rgds

Mandrake
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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:05

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:05


If that works - Thats what the Oly can do at 200 metres .

Rgds

Steve

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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:06

Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:06
Hmmm

Wedgetail and breakfast

How about that then

Rgds

Mandrake
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Reply By: Steve63 - Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 13:26

Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 13:26
Hi Geoff,
Brand is not that important really at that end of the market (others will disagree). Many cameras use common components anyway. There is always a cost quality feature compromise unless you spend many thousands of dollars. It really depends on what you want to use it for and how big you hands/fingers are. I just got my wife a new camera for Xmas. It is nothing I would buy for myself but if fits her requirements perfectly. It needs to be small to go in her handbag, it will get hot and cold, it will be exposed to sand and dust, she likes taking panoramic pics, it will get a lot of vibration, it needs to be easy to use. Not because she is stupid but because she is not interested in the minute details.

So she gets a small Sony with Carl Zuiss lens, it only has digital zoom as this is vibration, heat and dust/sand resistant. It has a rechargable battery (I only get things with rechargable lithium metal hydride, AA or AAA). Otherwise the bateries are expensive or hard to get. It does auto stitching for panaramic pics on the camera. It has a 3m flash range and good low light abilities. It has anti shake and the picture quality is excellent. The contols are simple, easy to use. It has a touch screen so many buttons are on the screen and quite large. The screen is large and bright. The lens cover etc has plenty of room so will not jam. It takes very large cards (easily holding 1,000 images) that can be removed and read via a card reader straight to the PC. I tend to use Gimp for image editing so most of the windows based camera programs are not that useful to me.

I have seen all sorts of camera's having problems. I have seen some very good brands like Nikon and Canon with issues relating to dust and sand jamming the lens covers and zoom components, loose components in the lenses etc.

So pick the one that feels good, is easy for you to use and you can easily operate in low light conditions.

Steve
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Reply By: Member - Jo Q (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:22

Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:22
Hi Geoff,

I have a large Canon digital SLR, but wanted something compact, good quality photos, ample zoom & easy to use. before i went to Queensland I bought a Panasonic lumix TZ 27 - around the $500 mark, but well worth every cent. I took over 7,000 photos on a 27 day trip to Daintree & back to Sydney & was very impressed with the quality of the photos. Some I have blown up to A1 size and the quality is just as good as a 6 x 4 photo. (can view some of the photos on my blog)

It has a lithium battery, bought a spare one before I left and charged them each time wee camped where we had power. As you can see I took lots of photos each day & the battery lasted at least a whole day, including zooming in & out & reviewing shots each night.

Was that impressed with the lumix, I went out today & bought the the Panasonic lumix FT1 - the one the guy skips across the water in the TV commercials. Will be perfect for the kayak trips & the snorkelling, but also takes decent shots out of the water.

For clarity, ease of use, compactness (is that a word?!) & battery power I found the Panasonic lumix's hard to beat.

Happy snapping......
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:12

Thursday, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:12
I currently have two DSLR's however if I was in the market for a P&S I'd put the Canon G11 on the list to try. Only does 5X Optical though.
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