how many times is this going to happen this xmas

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You can't put brains in statues. The main responsibility lies with the occupants themselves and their actions.

Regards

60klms/hr on sand is fast enough and even sometimes this may be too fast .

Its not going to stop happening!, The next best thing is to have heavy duty roll cages in them, Which troopies need anyway, they are pie dishes on wheels really.


Cheers Axle.

I notice that out of 4 comments posted so far on the courier mail website , one says that 4wders are idiots for driving off road and another one says that fraser should be closed to 4wders .

Hi Ryan

At the end of the day You cant put common sense into a clowns head or put old heads on young shoulders.

The person behind the wheel is the only person who is responsible nobody else.

Cheers Wilko

This'l stir up the pot.

All 4wd drivers should pass an accredited 4WD course before being allowed to drive them.

Maybe then people like inexperienced 4WD hirers and others (there a lots who just drive the taxi too) may not die through their own actions.

How many of us have had to help the ones I am referring to. No fuel, bogged and no recovery gear, flats and can't find the jack (two of these so far!!!!), driving on loose sand with 50PSI in the tyres etc etc etc.

I hate regulation but it seems some just wont follow good advice and some just want a dollar (4WD hire co's).

What say you all!!!!

This is the problem of the 4x4 hire companies, they hire a 4x4 to people who have never done any type of off roading before and hand them the keys...and off they go.

Most people who own a 4x4 learn gradually the art of off roading and under stand what is safe and what isn't.

And they usually travel with people who have some experience.

The number of time we have been run of the road by Britzs van is unbelievable, not slowing down and driving in the middle of the road at a high speed.

But when something goes wrong the are all tears and you can't understand them.

Or they go into remote area's ill prepared.

Much like giving someone a gun and not telling them how to use it.

Blame the hire companies and their lack of due care.

I have an even better idea, make the vehicles slower by locking out 3rd, 4th and 5th gear like some mine vehicles.
They might flog a few engines but wouldn't be able to do more than about 50kph.

Cheers
Dave

Although, in contradiction to my earlier post, a 4x4 course through an accredited club is no guarantee that the driver isn't a dipstick.

Last year at Easter, we had a driver from a large interstate 4x4 club come flying up the soft sand on Fraser, speeding well over the safe limit of the beach (which was badly eroded), while towing a huge camper trailer, overtaking our group ON THE LEFT, going so fast we actually saw his camper repeatedly become airbourne on the sand humps... and then promptly ran square up the rear end of one of OUR party, cause he couldn't brake in time to avoid them. Caused $8000 worth of damage to a 2 week old vehicle, and pretty much ruined the trip for the poor fella who's car it was, after injuring one of the occupants (a 17 year old girl). The idiot in question then tried to blame our driver, saying it was HIS fault for being in front of him! Unfortunately for Mr Dipstick (who clearly didn't realise that good video and photo evidence provided by our party made him out to be the idiot he was), our drivers insurance was able to prove exactly who was liable, and slapped the Dipstick with both the excess and culpability. Just a shame he wasn't charged with dangerous driving, too.

So, stupidity isn't just for the untrained drivers. Even apparently "skilled and trained" 4x4 operators can act like children, when they keep their brains in their behinds ad drive like morons.

Course, seeing the sod stuck in one inland carpark the next day with 2 flat tyres was quite satisfying. And no, we didn't cause them, much as we wanted to. Just Karma, running over his Dogma. ;)

Let's just allow the 'Darwin' effect to take its course. If young Takamiya is the one who has been allowed to drive the rest of the touring party along a beach that he has never seen in a vehicle he has never driven before then what can we do about it? It could also be young Bruce/Ali/Jemal/Pedro/Valentino/Rupert/etc.

Personally, I can't see the point in racing a car along a beach when you can do it on a highway at a much faster speed. I don't condone that either.