Plotting trip on map

Submitted: Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:51
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Hi,

I'm new to plotting trips. I have ozi on a pda/gps and of course access to google maps. I'm heading to SA for a few months and thinking it might be worth while doing my trip on one of the above. Any suggestions?

If there are better options please let me know. Any advantages or disadvantages to either or both. I'm only about to start so can take any path and never done this so open to any suggestions or tips to help be get started.

Will be heading out to Longreach to Birdsville then south from there. Sticking to mainly NP's and only a few towns and Cities to stock up. So hope to mainly be on the main road only to get to destinations or to tracks.

Thanks
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Reply By: Gramps - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 15:45

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 15:45
Austravel,

I sometimes use Google Earth for this purpose. Just use the Directions tab and save the Route as a .kml file. Import the kml file into Oziexplorer and save as a track file.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:05

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:05
I just look at my state paper map and go. Sign posts everywhere...hahahaha

Chs
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:10

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:10
LOL you are a worry. Don't you know it's totally uncool to go gallivanting around the countryside without some sort of electronic whizzbangery to get you lost ... er sorry, to guide you seamlessly to your destination.

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Follow Up By: Austravel - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:33

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:33
Thanks Gramps will check that out.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:34

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:34
Hi Austravle.

I tried that but it would not give me the bush tracks. It stuck to the bitumen. eg Urairra, ACT to Kiandra, NSW. There are a couple of dirt raod that I was hoping it would pick up. eg Long Gully Road. kept coming up with the Monaro Highway south to Cooma and turl left towards Tumut. Those roads are bitumen highways.

Do you know ho to get it to use the dirt?

Phil
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 19:27

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 19:27
Hi Phil,

I just kept zooming in and the dirt roads came up.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 19:47

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 19:47
Done that but the planned track still stays on the highway.

It will not move over to the dirt roads. The dirt tracks are much shorter so that is not the reason.

Any more hints? So far the Hema maps are superior. But still willing to try again.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:03

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:03
Nope no idea, only mucked around with it for 1/2 hour. If I work it out will let you know.
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:07

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:07
Austravel

Yer only need digital mapping when plotting remote treks into the never never and south australia is only the never and not the never never...lol

But then again, if it tickles your fancy.....:-)





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Follow Up By: Austravel - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:33

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:33
Trust me after a few hours of mucking around I'm starting to think I must me loosing my techno handle. Nooooooo does that mean I'm getting older :-)

I'm more used to paper maps but thought why not plot it out and it'll teach me the software. Also thought it would be good for the family to follow our trip via google. Google shouldn't be to bad just time consuming but I'm about to pull my hair out with Ozi.

Might just do google if I get time and do as you say and stick with paper!!!!
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:49

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:49
LOL

I have to admit that I do have all the whizzbang gadetry like PDS, Ozi, Natmap, Hema etc etc. but I really only do plotting when going into remote places. Then Google and Ozi come to the fore :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:05

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:05
Willem,

Love your profile photo..........do your paper maps take you down rabbit burrows?

LOL

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:25

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:25
Hello - I think it would be wiser to encourage Austravel to use his gear whenever he can. I know for a fact the list of people who would shoot him down in flames if he said he was heading into a "remote" area and wanted some tips on how to use/setup Ozi/GPS (among other things) before he headed out as he hadnt bothered to use one on his previous "non-remote" trips.

I often crank up one of my gps units for even the simplest journeys eg to the shop. Good way to ensure everything is running properly, try out a few new maps, setups etc. Better to learn the tricks of the trade where it doesnt matter that much if things go wrong.

As Austravel points out he wants to use it to plot his travels on Google. This is part of the "fun" of using GPS units whether you're travelling in some "remote" area or not.

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:49

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:49
The Explorer is on the money suggesting that Austravel use every opportunity to try out Ozi and build experience with the package. Ozi takes a while to learn so its best to be reasonably confident with it before trying to rely on it (and yes we keep paper maps as a backup etc).

We run Ozi on a small PC and a touch screen, and prior to a big trip we put the routes in - and we mostly follow them. This is one method of planning a trip in terms of where to go, distances, potential campsites etc. By using Google Earth its often possible to spot good camps especially away from closely settled or fenced areas.

So give it a go, theres nothing much to loose except the time that you take to do it, but its all part of the Ozi learning curve.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:21

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:21
Ahhh .........I speak with Tongue in Cheek :-)

Yerrr.... I switch the ole PDA or Tom Tom on whenever I go on a journey depending on which conveyance we are driving. Both vehicles have FED(Frustrating Electronic Device) units. Mainly good for watching what speed the loud pedal is at to preserve funds from being transferred into coffers of Govt Agencies.

Digital mapping won't stop you from dropping head first into a hole as depicted below. That requires human error. Human error comes mainly to those born in the middle of a previous century. Digi mapping is most frustrating when trying to remember what I did last time (or trying to find the file on my computer which explains all of that) when plotting the NEXT journey into the unknown. As a rule I don't bother too much when tracks are shown on maps. My planning comes in when plotting waypoints for journeys into the never never.

And so it will come to pass that in the forseeable future that some of us will perish out there when the batteries go flat in the FED's or when the 1 year warranty runs out and the device self destructs!

Enjoy your Xmas and steer clear of bad things.



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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:56

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:56
Come on Willem - we all know you're a "serious" "remote" traveller. If every time someone asks for some advice and they get told not to bother (tongue in cheek or otherwise) because they're not doing it tough enough, what’s the point?

"Human error comes mainly to those born in the middle of a previous century."

Well thats cleared a few things up. I was wondering who was causing all those road accidents. I was also blaming most of those "old" people for climate change as well:) Now I know for sure.

Cheers
Greg

PS: Pros and cons of what you should used for navigation in “remote” areas (or anywhere else) is a different question.

PS2: all of the above is tongue in cheek as well cause its Christmas - all the best.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 21:20

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 21:20
Yes Greg, as usual very sage advice from such a young one as yourself :-)

I must not post tongue in cheek comments for 2010, I must not post tongue in cheek comments for 2010, I must not post tongue in cheek comments for 2010, I must not post tongue in cheek comments for 2010..............

I must not be a Digital Mapping Sceptic....etc..... etc

I must be politically correct or else my longevity as a contributer to a variety of websites might come to an end


Sigh....................................

Austravel, I hope that I haven't put you off Digital Mapping. It wasn't my intention. Go for it...wrack yer brain....hehehehe


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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 21:39

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 21:39
Double Sigh......



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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 20:56

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 20:56
Hi Greg,

What maps are you working on ? Anything new for Ozi ? Did you finish your work on the WA Mining areas ?

Willie.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 21:05

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 21:05
Hello Willie

At the risk of getting moderated for self promotion here is a list of current map sets.

Digital Maps - WA


Yes I finished Gold and Ghosts (194 - 100K geology maps + 150 historical maps). I think I sent you a demo with most anyway but there were a few extras added.

PM me.

Merry Christmas and all the best for 2010

Greg

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 22:25

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 22:25
Greg,

I have four of the seven listed there. Great stuff. When are you going to do some for us poor buggers in the Eastern states ?

I bought the finished Gold & Ghosts product after I used the demo and I will be using it April and May 2010.

Happy Chrissy to you and yours too,

Willie.
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Reply By: Austravel - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 19:26

Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 19:26
Thanks all seems like I'll just plod along, time permitting, and learn the software. But will probably concentrate on the paper variety for the main part.

should be a steep learning curve due to time constraints.
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Reply By: The Explorer - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:39

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:39
Hello again - back to your question. Best bet is for you to have a play and see how you go. If you then have any more specific questions or problems there will be someone here who can answer. This website appears to have a good set of "tutorials" on OziExplorer. Maybe worth read..

OziExplorer Education

The latest version of OziExplorer actually allows the use of Google Earth/Google Maps as a background map so that is a bonus for trip planning (obviously requires internet connection so maybe not that handy in the scrub:). I am not sure if you need a registered version of Ozi (~$130) though for it to work (ie the free versions of OziExplorer - demo and trial have limitations).

OziExplorer is just a gps mapping software - it doesnt come with any useable maps (which is why being able to use Google at home is handy). From what I can figure a significant number of people find the Natmap 250K series a good start. This Hema mapset would be a good chrissy present..

Australia 4WD Raster Map Collection on DVD

..apart from the Hema maps it also has the 250K set. The Hema maps are pretty small scale but maybe Ok for your intended purpose.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 13:34

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 13:34
Thanks Greg, I'll check them out and yes you're right it just needs some time like all packages. I posted due to the frustration of time limits and ozi not being as user friendly as I first thought. Just need to put the hours into it and as you say ask questions. Even though my job is very technical I tend to steer clear of it in my personal life, guess I try and keep things simple. I get enough of it at work.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 20:26

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 20:26
No worries
Good luck.

Cheers
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