Is a UHF a mobile phone?

Thanks Greybeard,

I live in NSW but that will be good when I'm over that way next : )

Cheers Wilko

Yep, thats the reason why people become coppers

Police don't create laws, the voting public do by virtue of who they vote for, as for the level of power allows them to exercise, that is also a result of the popular vote. Police are puppets of the government of the day, however we seem to feel secure in the thought of a controlled society as we keep voting for it.

There are fools in every profession, this bloke sounds like he may be one. At any rate, he just made his job that bit harder next time he is looking for support from a jury - that's the way it goes. He may or may not be technically right, but it is not in the spirit of things.

Dave

Davo, I agree wholeheartedly with the first paragraph see my reply below. As for the second part read the original post. No one was booked, he handed out a caution only. Pretty practical policing in my opinion. What has "jury support" got to do with it??

ob

I agree Ob, fair warning although I disagree with the copper on the UHF part, but at least the result was sensible - my response came across a bit harsh.

Just a general comment re the jury in response to the above - that is police are also judged by members of the public in court, where unreasonable treatment of the public is given out, it comes back at some point usually. Checks and balances basically, and like every job, there are people that are simply not suited. But on the whole we have a good system with good people.

Cheers,
Dave

Way to much here in WA, guilty unto proving Innocent... too many wrong laws..

So we all buy HF and use the club phone interconnect system which appears to be legal.
Ian

coppers are allowed to use mobile phones here in SA...probably allowed to in all states.

CB and the like are allowed to be used .....But....you can still be booked for driving with undue care, inattention or whatever if the copper wishes....it will be up to you to prove you were not......they allege something and we need to prove our innocence...makes sense..... to them

If you do have an accident why using a CB be prepared to be booked for sure

Hi DIO,

I thought this might be what he was talking about.

Cheers Wilko

"It's all about driving without due care/consideration"

Now lets ban inter vehicle communication, such as;

Ambulance
Police
Fire
SES
Bush Fire
Council
Heavy Vehicle Convoys
Event Organisation
Taxi
Army
Navy
Air Force
etc. etc. etc.

lets also include taking one hand off the steering wheel;
Changing gear
Switching things on or off
Adjusting mirrors
Picking nose
Open/close window
Air con adjustments

The list is endless, does anyone have a suggestion where this stops being practical and starts being "driving without due care/consideration"

Just one, where picking your nose, eating your hamburger or scratching your clacker costs someone their life

ob spotted the obvious mistake, well done ob.
You were paying attention. LOL

I have done many, many K's using a 27meg/uhf and vhf radios and have never, never been distracted by them. I now have two radio's going on different channels and still don't have a problem.

Having said that, I have had the pleasure of being run through 3 red lights a couple of giveways and stop signs when I have been in the passenger seat courtesy of a driver using a mobile phone.

Most truckies would have experience of using CB or whatever while shifting up and down a gearbox with more ratios that the IQ number of some of the airheads I have seen buzzing around the "burbs in their little airconned auto trannied power everthing yuppiemobile. These guys (and gals) have more driving ability in their little fingers than a lot of those of us that have never left suburbia. Unfortunately these type of drivers are the ones that this law is aimed at and everyone else is covered by the same legislation.

Cheers ob

You blokes above have lost the point, (he the one you all hate) DIO is only stating the what is real. you bleep up you will pay for it. fire fighter, copper, truck driver, or a lonely 4WDiver..

you make the mistake you have to pay for it

Cheers

Thanks D,

I agree,

Cheers Wilko

Thanks BV.

Cheers Wilko

Rule 300 is an Australian road rule covering all of Australia as a minimum requirement.

Probably having thier day ruined by having to scrape someone up off the road that has had their life cut tragically short & then deliver a death message to a relative! No doubt it would be a perfect world if authorities (Ambo's, Fire & Police) could be everywhere!

From the NSW Road Rules:

300 Use of mobile phones by drivers (except holders of learner or provisional P1 licences)

(1) The driver of a vehicle (except an emergency vehicle or police vehicle) must not use a mobile phone that the driver is holding in his or her hand while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked, unless the driver is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

Note. Emergency vehicle, park and police vehicle are defined in the Dictionary.

(1–1) Subrule (1) does not apply to the driver of a vehicle who is the holder of a learner licence or provisional P1 licence.

Note 1. Learner licence is defined in the Act, and provisional P1 licence is defined in the Dictionary.

Note 2. Rule 300–1 places restrictions on the use of mobile phones, whether or not held in the hand, by the holder of a learner licence or provisional P1 licence.

Note 3. This subrule is an additional NSW subrule. There is no corresponding subrule in rule 300 of the Australian Road Rules.

(2) In this rule:

mobile phone does not include a CB radio or any other two-way radio.

use, in relation to a mobile phone, includes the following:

(a) holding the phone to, or near, the ear (whether or not engaged in a phone call),

(b) writing, sending or reading a text message on the phone,

(c) turning the phone on or off,

Darian

You are spot on. Sensible thinking. You can eat a hamburger, drink a drink, have a smoke etc, even change the radio station, but if you happen to have an accident whilst doing this, you would be "driving without due care".

Hi Ob,

No I wouldnt like to be a Cop,They deal with the lowlifes, Childmolesterers, murderers, Drug dealers and scum of society.

They dont get paid enough for the crap (can I say crap) they put up with.

Cheers Wilko

Amen to that Wilko,

One of my BIL,s was a copper and after many years in the job chucked it in for a less stressful occupation. Some of the stories he told us would make your hair stand on end. I started to understand why some coppers have such a low opinion of the general public. Justifiable or not after years of dealing with low lifes of every type imaginable affects your perception of people in general becomes somewhat jaded.

Cheers ob

Ob, you are so right. It makes me laugh when I see or hear people say the coppers are low lifes or have nothing better to do. I think they are the people who really need to go and spend a week in a "coppers" shoes and see what they have to put up with from people who think they are above the law, and people who have big mouths. The crap they put up with is unreal. We have alot of good friends as "coppers", and I dont know why they dont trip over more and accidently just shoot some people they have to take crap from.

I think they all deserve a medal and what kind of country would this be with out them.

Karen

Yeah Mike they have such an easy job and of course they all carry a copy of every bit of legistration ever inacted in their memory banks.
And of course uppermost in his mind while dealing with drug affected, drunk and generally obnoxious members of the public would be the thought that your poor wounded pride would cause you to complain to his superiors.

Give me a break

"of course they all carry a copy of every bit of legistration ever inacted in their memory banks"

- a Policemans job is to enforce the law, they CANNOT do their job without knowing the law
- if they're not sure of a particular they should NOT accuse someone of breaking it
- citizens are REQUIRED to know every law without ANY training - the lawyer's favourite phrase is "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".



"And of course uppermost in his mind while dealing with drug affected, drunk and generally obnoxious members of the public would be the thought that your poor wounded pride would cause you to complain to his superiors. "

- why do you beleive that Wilko was drug affected, drunk or obnoxious ?



"Give me a break"

- the days seem to be long gone where the police would give people a break and let them off with a warning, if the circumstances suggested there may have been extenuating circumstances.

He probably chipped you because you told someone over the radio you got pulled over, They usually get upset when someone gives them up on the uhf believe you me I've been down that road a lot of times LOL
Cheers Dave...

Hey Wilko,

did you mean to write 'I was driving with another couple and got pulled over to be random breast tested'

because I think you may have meant 'breath' tested???!!!

Or maybe the coppers are doing different checks in your part of Oz! LOL

Regards,
Heather G

Heather what are you doing awake at 03:59 to submit your post?

Not having a random breast test of your own I hope????

It was not that time when I replied to the thread Gone Bush, more like 6.59 and no I wasnt lucky enough to being tested for anything!!! LOL

Regards, heaher G

Sorry Heather, my PC shows WA time.

Sorry you missed out on an inspection too.....

cheers

Doh Soz was meant to be breath but breast is funnier ; ).

Cheers wilko

Hi Dave,

He wouldnt have heard what I'd said as he was 10 or so mts in front of the car waving me forward.

Cheers Wilko

Yes and so have I. Every time I pass an RBT, mobile speed camera, or something else the boys in blue have got going I turn on the UHF and warn those in the vicinity about it.

I passed a speed trap here on the Gold Coast and got stopped by the next group about a km down the road. I knew I hadn't been speeding so I wondered what was up. Yes, they were bleep ed off because I was broadcasting their location and decided to pull me over with the same bull bleep excuse used in the original post. When I was told about this I just burst into laughter while shaking my head. My only words were "Well, go ahead and book me." They then offered the written warning and I said "Either book me or let me go on my way." One cop started to lecture me and I said " Didn't you hear what I said, just book me or let me go on my way." After a few more pointless words of admonishment I was let go.

The original poster might like to challenge the validity of the written warning with the young policeman's superiors. After all, he has been dumb enough to put it in writing.

Holden4th,
If it was as you posted, and I have no reason to doubt you, you were bloody lucky NOT to be charged with "hindering the police in the execution of their duty" because that's what you were doing.

And that is a criminal offence!!!!!!

Disco
(who has learnt that spouting off at a copper is not a good idea, you were very lucky.)

"(A) Holding The Phone To, Or Near, The Ear (Whether Or Not Engaged In A Phone Call), "

- no wonder people have lost respect for our stupid laws !.

People don't automatically get booked if they're having an intense argument, screaming at the kids, eating an ice-cream, putting on makeup, shaving - but hold a phone NEAR your ear - then throw the book at them.