How does Neuton Power battery compare to Fullriver battery

I think it is misleading posting here that weight is indicative of quality, specially longevity! It is the last thing I would consider when evaluating a new battery - it can be as heavy as lead but still be cr&p.

Really! that is NOT a way to judge longevity on an unknown battery!

Peter,
Can you tell me what the warranty is on the MCA Please. It's looking good. I'm not sure if I can manage 32kgs though. It would have to be lifted in and out of the boot.

Jo

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Peter
Thanks for introducing the MCA as an alternative to the other 2 batteries on Ebay. I've started reading your info and I am feeling more confident in choosing the right one for my needs. Greatly appreciated. Still a lot more reading to do yet though.

Cheers
Jo

jokirt,

you're on track - reading as much as you can to cut through the hype is the most important thing to do - I appreciate this.

Best regards, Peter

Dave,

What is the largest size in AH's, in your Fullriver battery range, that I can fit as a direct replacement of the auxilary battery of the 100 Series Landcruiser dual battery system?

I currently have a Century N70TE, which will be undersize for my proposed power needs, and would like 100 AHplus if possible. (I will have solar charging when camped.)

Robert

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Peter, Thanks for the info. Checking the battery before sending it out is comforting and the battery sounds good. However I would really like to hear from long term users and their experience as well as the experts. The Ebay ratings are really more about you - the seller - and how you deal with customers. As you said they only used the batteries a few times.


I am wondering if there are any Neuton Power or MCA users on the forum who still have their batteries after 2 years or longer. Or perhaps have batteries that died after 6 months. I searched the forum for comments on both of these batteries but haven't found anything yet.

Cheers
Jo

CJ,

allow me to give you a few facts first:

The amount of lead in a battery is the single most important factor for both battery capacity, and longevity.

Battery capacity increases with the thickness of the plates because thicker means more active material (lead dioxide and pure lead) in its grid structure (also mainly made out of lead).

Every lead acid battery suffers from positive plate corrosion, as the battery ages.
This results in decreased mechanical strength and higher internal resistance (the conductive cross section of the grids decreases over time).

If you expect long service life from your battery, you want to make sure the size and mass of the positive grids is up to it.

Battery weight therefore, should certainly be one of the deciding factors when comparing batteries.
The other factor is its affordability of course - and if you find a battery scoring high in both departments, you're on to a winner.

@Jo,

you're welcome.
We've been selling the MCA brand for 8 months now - not a single one has been reported being defective in any way.
Our customers mainly use these batteries in RVs, boats, yachts, and solar installations.

Best regards, Peter

what load are you putting on a battery for 30 minutes?

1200W heater fan through 24V inverter.

Best regards, Peter

Are you saying you use a 240v fan that draws 1,2OO Watts ??

Maîneÿ . . .

Hi Maîneÿ,

it's nice to have you following this little thread so closely :)

Pls read this again, it says heater fan.

Best regards, Peter

The question you replied to was:
"what load are you putting on a battery for 30 minutes?"

Your answer is: "1200W heater fan through 24V inverter"

so do I understand the *heater fan* is not relevant to the 1,2OO Watts then ??
If so, what current does the *heater fan* draw then ??

Maîneÿ . . .

gosh Maîneÿ, do I really have to walk you through the numbers....

In the beginning of this thread, I mentioned the 55A load.

Then Stuart was wondering how a 55A load might look like, and now you ask again, what the load current looks like (if I understand your questions right).

Divide 1200W by 24V, add 10 to 15% to make up for inverter loss, and bingo, here we've got 55A.

Best regards, Peter

Peter, you said your using a "1200W heater fan through 24V inverter" to get the 55 Amp load.

my question was:
"Are you saying you use a 240v fan that draws 1,2OO Watts ?? "

It is either a 'YES' or 'NO' answer
It was not asking about the 55 Amps at all, only the 1,2OO Watts

Maîneÿ . . .

Even a dunce like me gets it.

He gets one of those $20 fan forced heaters from K Mart. They have full and half power. On half power, 1200 watts, he runs it for 30 minutes through an inverter. Hence he has drawn about 55 amp hours.

Jim,
In your reply your using a HEATER - not a *FAN* as your example :-)

I can understand a heater drawing 1,2OO Watts will give the results

Jim,
have you ever seen a 1,2OO Watt *FAN* as Peter claimed ??

Maîneÿ . . .

Yes! Best Off Road, well almost....

27.5 Ah to be exact.

Talking about 'loads' we're generally talking current (in amps), but Ah are a measure for energy (current multiplied by time multiplied by voltage but we're conveniently skipping the voltage multiplier which is a constant in a 12V system). The more accurate term for energy, is Wh.

Best regards, Peter

27.5Ah at c0.5 (30 mins) = about 50Ah at c20 = 50% discharge on a 100Ah battery.

Dave

Peter,
can you please explain what type of heater *FAN* you use to draw the 1,2OO Watts you are talking about or much better still please post a picture of it ???

Jim's answer has now been shown to be incorrect, so I believe it needs clarification to show he's NOT a "dunce" :)

My 10cm fridge fan draws <1 Amp by comparison

Peter, you made the claim, I've asked you a question your refusing to answer
maybe it's just a 'typo' because I've never seen a *fan* that will draw 1,2OO Watts in an airconditioner, cooler or even a heater ??

Maîneÿ . . .

Dave,

agreed.

What you're on about has to do with the Peukert number which is used for calculating the DOD in relation to the rate of discharge.

I'd substitute the 'equal signs' with 'corresponds to' to make it more palatable to the mathematical eye, though.

Best regards, Peter

Hi Maîneÿ,

it's all good, and sorry for my weird use of the wording 'heater fan', which puts the emphasis on fan, instead of the heater.
Look, in German (said to be the mother of the English lingo) the translation for 'fan heater' is 'Heizlüfter'.
But Heizlüfter translated into English in the same sequence as it's written, would be 'heater fan' (Heiz-Lüfter) :)

So, now that we even touched on such exotic topics as linguistics, I'd like to wind up this thread.

Best regards, Peter

So now as I understand it, your using a fan forced *heater* that runs off a 24 Volt inverter, that draws 55 Amps ?

See it's not hard or difficult to type it in English is it :-)

Maîneÿ . . .

Hey Mainey, if you typed your post in English, surely you would type 'you're' rather than 'your', wouldn't you?
People...glass houses...stones.

I do love your work though...you just keep on finding new ways to make yourself look like a tool :-)

Cheers
Glenn

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I use a Shenzhen Center Power Tech ( Vision 12v 10 Amp ) battery for my fishfinder/GPS system, it is also recharged by the solar system.

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Thanks Louisa

How long has the Neuton Power been on the market in Australia and overseas?

I was also wondering if you tested the indivual batteries before sending them out as Peter does?

I'll take some time and read the specs on all three batteries mentioned here and hopefully, after reading all the informative posts throughout the forum , I'll be able to make sense of them.

Cheers
Jo

Hmm Louisa

If I read between the lines, I would guess that you are saying that a Neutron IS a Fullriver OEM.

IS that getting warm?

I do apologise Louisa. When I invited you to respond to my question in this thread I did not expect the youngsters would come out again. Please don't get drawn in . When I started this thread I expected some genuine advice, and genuine questions - sadly some think it is just a game. I am getting a little weary of my mail box filling with nonsense.
Jo

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As i have used both batteries i personal would choose the full river, i use these in mobility scooters, and find they are up there in the top of the range, that is my opion only, be carefully i you deal with >hi....