How does Neuton Power battery compare to Fullriver battery

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I am about to purchase an auxillary battery and have decided that 105ah AGM SLA is about right for my needs. Price wise I have found 2 battery brands Neuton Power and Fullriver around the same price and with 2 year warranty. I know that many members are very happy with Fullriver, but was wondering how Neuton Power compared. Has any one had any experience with this brand?
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:47

Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:47
Sorry, no experience with Neuton.

A good indicator for deep cycle battery longevity is its weight.

This one here
is particularly heavy, around 32.5kg.


Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: CJ - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 19:08

Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 19:08
I think it is misleading posting here that weight is indicative of quality, specially longevity! It is the last thing I would consider when evaluating a new battery - it can be as heavy as lead but still be cr&p.

Really! that is NOT a way to judge longevity on an unknown battery!
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Follow Up By: jokirt - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 18:55

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 18:55
Peter,
Can you tell me what the warranty is on the MCA Please. It's looking good. I'm not sure if I can manage 32kgs though. It would have to be lifted in and out of the boot.

Jo
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 22:17

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 22:17
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Follow Up By: jokirt - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 22:30

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 22:30
Peter
Thanks for introducing the MCA as an alternative to the other 2 batteries on Ebay. I've started reading your info and I am feeling more confident in choosing the right one for my needs. Greatly appreciated. Still a lot more reading to do yet though.

Cheers
Jo
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 22:35

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 22:35
jokirt,

you're on track - reading as much as you can to cut through the hype is the most important thing to do - I appreciate this.

Best regards, Peter
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Reply By: R&J Batteries - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 14:14

Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 14:14
"Neuton" is a branded product and could come from any number of factories.

Fullriver is sold and supported nationally.

Dave (Fullriver Product Manager - Australia & NZ)
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Follow Up By: brigalow22 - Sunday, Feb 14, 2010 at 05:51

Sunday, Feb 14, 2010 at 05:51
Dave,

What is the largest size in AH's, in your Fullriver battery range, that I can fit as a direct replacement of the auxilary battery of the 100 Series Landcruiser dual battery system?

I currently have a Century N70TE, which will be undersize for my proposed power needs, and would like 100 AHplus if possible. (I will have solar charging when camped.)

Robert
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Reply By: jokirt - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 15:17

Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 15:17
I have checked the weights - both batteries are 30.2 kg. Also had a look at the MCA 32kg battery. Certainly a better price, but I don't know anything about this one either.
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 17:28

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Follow Up By: jokirt - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 21:35

Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 21:35
Peter, Thanks for the info. Checking the battery before sending it out is comforting and the battery sounds good. However I would really like to hear from long term users and their experience as well as the experts. The Ebay ratings are really more about you - the seller - and how you deal with customers. As you said they only used the batteries a few times.


I am wondering if there are any Neuton Power or MCA users on the forum who still have their batteries after 2 years or longer. Or perhaps have batteries that died after 6 months. I searched the forum for comments on both of these batteries but haven't found anything yet.

Cheers
Jo
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 23:11

Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010 at 23:11
CJ,

allow me to give you a few facts first:

The amount of lead in a battery is the single most important factor for both battery capacity, and longevity.

Battery capacity increases with the thickness of the plates because thicker means more active material (lead dioxide and pure lead) in its grid structure (also mainly made out of lead).

Every lead acid battery suffers from positive plate corrosion, as the battery ages.
This results in decreased mechanical strength and higher internal resistance (the conductive cross section of the grids decreases over time).

If you expect long service life from your battery, you want to make sure the size and mass of the positive grids is up to it.

Battery weight therefore, should certainly be one of the deciding factors when comparing batteries.
The other factor is its affordability of course - and if you find a battery scoring high in both departments, you're on to a winner.

@Jo,

you're welcome.
We've been selling the MCA brand for 8 months now - not a single one has been reported being defective in any way.
Our customers mainly use these batteries in RVs, boats, yachts, and solar installations.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 00:31

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 00:31
what load are you putting on a battery for 30 minutes?
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 08:57

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 08:57
1200W heater fan through 24V inverter.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:05

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:05
Are you saying you use a 240v fan that draws 1,2OO Watts ??

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:10

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:10
Hi Maîneÿ,

it's nice to have you following this little thread so closely :)

Pls read this again, it says heater fan.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:21

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:21
The question you replied to was:
"what load are you putting on a battery for 30 minutes?"

Your answer is: "1200W heater fan through 24V inverter"

so do I understand the *heater fan* is not relevant to the 1,2OO Watts then ??
If so, what current does the *heater fan* draw then ??

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:36

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:36
gosh Maîneÿ, do I really have to walk you through the numbers....

In the beginning of this thread, I mentioned the 55A load.

Then Stuart was wondering how a 55A load might look like, and now you ask again, what the load current looks like (if I understand your questions right).

Divide 1200W by 24V, add 10 to 15% to make up for inverter loss, and bingo, here we've got 55A.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:47

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:47
Peter, you said your using a "1200W heater fan through 24V inverter" to get the 55 Amp load.

my question was:
"Are you saying you use a 240v fan that draws 1,2OO Watts ?? "

It is either a 'YES' or 'NO' answer
It was not asking about the 55 Amps at all, only the 1,2OO Watts

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:58

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 09:58
Even a dunce like me gets it.

He gets one of those $20 fan forced heaters from K Mart. They have full and half power. On half power, 1200 watts, he runs it for 30 minutes through an inverter. Hence he has drawn about 55 amp hours.



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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:12

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:12
Jim,
In your reply your using a HEATER - not a *FAN* as your example :-)

I can understand a heater drawing 1,2OO Watts will give the results

Jim,
have you ever seen a 1,2OO Watt *FAN* as Peter claimed ??

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:13

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:13
Yes! Best Off Road, well almost....

27.5 Ah to be exact.

Talking about 'loads' we're generally talking current (in amps), but Ah are a measure for energy (current multiplied by time multiplied by voltage but we're conveniently skipping the voltage multiplier which is a constant in a 12V system). The more accurate term for energy, is Wh.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: R&J Batteries - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:31

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:31
27.5Ah at c0.5 (30 mins) = about 50Ah at c20 = 50% discharge on a 100Ah battery.

Dave

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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:47

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:47
Peter,
can you please explain what type of heater *FAN* you use to draw the 1,2OO Watts you are talking about or much better still please post a picture of it ???

Jim's answer has now been shown to be incorrect, so I believe it needs clarification to show he's NOT a "dunce" :)

My 10cm fridge fan draws <1 Amp by comparison

Peter, you made the claim, I've asked you a question your refusing to answer
maybe it's just a 'typo' because I've never seen a *fan* that will draw 1,2OO Watts in an airconditioner, cooler or even a heater ??

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:48

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:48
Dave,

agreed.

What you're on about has to do with the Peukert number which is used for calculating the DOD in relation to the rate of discharge.

I'd substitute the 'equal signs' with 'corresponds to' to make it more palatable to the mathematical eye, though.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:30

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:30
Hi Maîneÿ,

it's all good, and sorry for my weird use of the wording 'heater fan', which puts the emphasis on fan, instead of the heater.
Look, in German (said to be the mother of the English lingo) the translation for 'fan heater' is 'Heizlüfter'.
But Heizlüfter translated into English in the same sequence as it's written, would be 'heater fan' (Heiz-Lüfter) :)

So, now that we even touched on such exotic topics as linguistics, I'd like to wind up this thread.

Best regards, Peter


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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 17:20

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 17:20
So now as I understand it, your using a fan forced *heater* that runs off a 24 Volt inverter, that draws 55 Amps ?

See it's not hard or difficult to type it in English is it :-)

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 14:31

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 14:31
Hey Mainey, if you typed your post in English, surely you would type 'you're' rather than 'your', wouldn't you?
People...glass houses...stones.

I do love your work though...you just keep on finding new ways to make yourself look like a tool :-)

Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 15:52

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Reply By: jokirt - Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 20:07

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 20:07
I have found them!

Neuton Power batteries are put out by YHI Power Pty Ltd as their own brand. Info can be found at this link ;

http://www.yhipower.com.au/2009/products/neuton/neuton-overview.html

There appears to be numerous pdf's to peruse. They are also distributors of Supreme and Delkor batteries.

Neuton seems to be very new - so I can't expect to find any long term users.
There is of course the 2 year warranty in their favour if one wanted to test them out.

As for the specs in the pdf's I'll leave that for the gurus to examine if they are so inclined.

Cheers
Jo
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 21:45

Thursday, Feb 11, 2010 at 21:45
I use a Shenzhen Center Power Tech ( Vision 12v 10 Amp ) battery for my fishfinder/GPS system, it is also recharged by the solar system.

Image Could Not Be FoundMaîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Louisa - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 16:35

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 16:35
Fullriver do OEM for international companies, just like any other manufacturer from china.

Neuton Power is a good brand which for quality batteries.

1. If you compare the similar model of Neuton Power with Fullriver -- not much difference in weight, dimension and appearance.

2. Any battery that Fullriver deep cycle range that is available you can find in Neuton Power deep cycle range.

regards,

Louisa
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Follow Up By: jokirt - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:18

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:18
Thanks Louisa

How long has the Neuton Power been on the market in Australia and overseas?

I was also wondering if you tested the indivual batteries before sending them out as Peter does?

I'll take some time and read the specs on all three batteries mentioned here and hopefully, after reading all the informative posts throughout the forum , I'll be able to make sense of them.

Cheers
Jo



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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 15:57

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 15:57
Hmm Louisa

If I read between the lines, I would guess that you are saying that a Neutron IS a Fullriver OEM.

IS that getting warm?

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Follow Up By: jokirt - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 16:15

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 16:15
I do apologise Louisa. When I invited you to respond to my question in this thread I did not expect the youngsters would come out again. Please don't get drawn in . When I started this thread I expected some genuine advice, and genuine questions - sadly some think it is just a game. I am getting a little weary of my mail box filling with nonsense.
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Follow Up By: greg8049 - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 23:09

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As i have used both batteries i personal would choose the full river, i use these in mobility scooters, and find they are up there in the top of the range, that is my opion only, be carefully i you deal with >hi....
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