Thumper Versus Dual Batteries Under Bonnet

Submitted: Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 21:16
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Hi everyone I was wanting some comments on fitting a Thumper 75 or 105 amp battery to my 76 Series Wagon versus the standard under bonnet Dual battery systems. I like the idea of being able to remove the thumper if needed when the under bonnet is fixed. Also when selling the vehicle the under bonnet usually gets traded with the vehicle. I would appreciate comments Re this please.

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Reply By: Member - Barry (NT) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 21:31

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 21:31
Ray

I've tried both in Pajero and 79 series and suggest you fit dual batteries under bonnet.

In over 8 years I never needed to use thumper as "stand alone".

My dual batteries were both N70ZZ's and 12 months ago changed aux to deep cylce to suit 50L fridge BIG mistake.

N70 would run fridge for say 3+ days and the new deep cycle (2 x N70ZZ price) lasts only 2 days after 12 months use,,, not economical in my book

suggest stick with dual N70ZZ's as they fit and for me have the grunt

unless of course you have a special application

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Reply By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 21:45

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 21:45
Ray
I have just finished outfitting myself with a Fullriver 120ah AGM to go inside one of Derek's Flyer's. Cost me about $730 all up. Gives me the benefit of a larger battery (2 year warranty), wired through an isolator with good quality wiring, totally portable and with similar outlets to the Thumper. Also left me with a couple of hundred bucks change over the Thumper. To remove the battery temporarily I simply have to undo one Anderson Plug. To move the unit to a different vehicle I have to remove 2 wires from the starting battery and push them back through the firewall.
I don't see the value in the Thumper.

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Reply By: Member - Ray B (WA) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 22:06

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 22:06
Thanks Guys I appreciate your comments Im leaning towards the Dual battery setup now but I will see if theres any more comments before I go ahead
Tks Ray
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 22:07

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 22:07
Ray,

In my previous vehicle, I had a dual battery system fitted, controlled by a Piranha DBE150S Controller.
The batteries I tried were a wet cell deep cycle, then an Exide Orbital, both mounted under the bonnet and both destroyed by running too flat, too often. (My fault)

I couldn't fit an AGM battery in the cradle and they are also very heavy for a reasonable size one, so I put in another wet cell deep cycle battery.
This auxiliary battery ran the fridge, etc. while travelling and I ended up protecting the battery with a low voltage cutout device.

But I too liked the idea of a portable battery system and so bought a 75 A/h Thumper so I could remove the fridge and place in the camper or tent annex and also run the camp lighting.
This proved to be very successful and the Thumper could be charged by the vehicle alternator while driving via the supplied in-car charging kit and supported by a solar panel at camp.

All good.

Then I bought a new vehicle and as it is a dual cab diesel, the new auxiliary battery system I chose was a Sidewinder Flyer battery system, containing a 100 A/h Remco AGM battery and installed in the tub. This I also use predominantly to run the fridge while travelling but I still have the Thumper with charging kit installed to achieve basically the same setup as I had previously.

When you think portable, you actually need to be able to move it.
Although the Flyer is sort of portable, with the 100 A/h AGM battery it is very heavy and so stays in the back of the cab as an auxiliary battery.

Likewise the 105 A/h Thumper is also quite heavy. A mate of mine has one but he generally leaves his in the back of his Pajero along with his fridge.

The 75 A/h Thumper has proven to be a most flexible unit and I can recommend it for the use you have defined.
Like you, I prefer the flexibility of having a portable battery system I can remove from the vehicle and place centrally at the campsite.
The Thumper with its in-car charging kit (mine is a 20 amp version) still performs as a dual battery system while in the car but is easily removable and portable to take wherever you like.

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Follow Up By: Member - Barry (NT) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 22:21

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 22:21
Agree Bill

if you use the Thumper Ray you need to be able to charge better than standard cig lighter and wiring.

I used to charge direct to battery terminals - very respected (now retired) Darwin fridgy told me to do this but only if battery was really flat and all you had was cig lighter fittings,,, worked OK for me
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Follow Up By: Member - Ray B (WA) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:04

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:04
Thanks Bill I was just thinking if I fit a winch as well (Which is on the List) how will the thumper handle (if at all) the extra current requires from the single start battery or will the Thumpers supplied chatging wiring allow the thumper to (assist) the start battery i.e. current running back to that start battery instrad of the other way round.....I think i,ve got it right
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 07:29

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 07:29
Ray,

The in-car charging kit has a built-in isolator which keeps the Thumper and starting battery circuit electrically isolated from each other. So, a heavy current draw on the starting battery when using the winch will not affect the Thumper's capacity.
Likewise, current drain from a fridge connected to the Thumper will not affect the state of the starting battery and this is what a dual battery system in any configuration should provide.

A winch should be connected to the starting battery circuit and only used while the engine is running to reduce the impact of severe current drain.

One other advantage of the Thumper is that it can be used as a jump starter in case of emergency. It comes with a set of removable jump start leads.

Bill.

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Follow Up By: PradOz - Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 17:36

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 17:36
Hi Bill

how much do you think a 75 A/h Thumper would cost?

Thanks....
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Follow Up By: Member - Ray B (WA) - Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 17:42

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 17:42
Hi PradOz I,ve been watching them on E-bay and a company in SA is selling a 75A/hr Thumper incl delivery at $748 you can find them on e-bay under Thumper
Cheers Ray
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:16

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:16
Why not get a 120 ah AGM Deep Cycle battery ($300) and stick it into a battery box ($20) and add a bit of cable ($40) and ammeter ($40) and battery cutoff device ($100 ?) and you have a portable 120 ah AGM Battery that will charge off the Alternator or Solar :)
You could have 200 PLUS Amp Hours for <$700

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Follow Up By: Member - Ray B (WA) - Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:53

Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 23:53
Thanks Mainey I probably liked the idea of removing the Thumper or (Aux battery in a box) to put in the boat or tent and run lights etc but I feel the 120 AH battery you mention I think will be too heavy a 75 a/Hr Thumper weighs 21 KG and that might be my limit in weightlifting these days like on of the other guys said a mate of theirs had a 105 A/Hr Thumper and ended up leaving it in his vehicle as it was too heavy
Cheers Ray
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 00:09

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 00:09
Model: DC120-12A, 120 Ah ( $335 )

Size: 331 Long x 175 Wide x 214 High

Weight: 36 kg

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Reply By: Graham Watson - Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:08

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:08
I run with a waeco 36ah battery and a 48ah thumper. I leave one battery at the campsite powering the fridge while I charge the other in the car while doing day trips. I then swap batteries each night. this size battery is reasily movable, and gives me enough power for a day or two. This suits my needs, though I would probably get a slightly larger battery if either needs replacing.

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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:25

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:25
Graham,
is the "Waeco 36ah battery" running very close to flat daily?

reasoning:
your Fridge probably runs @ 1ah x 24 hours = 24 from a 36ah battery, which is well in excess of 50% SOC in just one day, in 2 days (48) it will be well in excess of the 36ah capacity of the battery :)

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Reply By: Member - Prickle (SA) - Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 21:04

Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 21:04
Ray,

I have had a 48 amp Thumber for some years, recently had it repacked to 60amp then added a 60 amp booster pack - 120 amp hr. I have a redarc charging kit.

I have been pretty happy with the pack and its performance to date. The above was considerably cheaper than putting a battery under the bonnet.

Not saying that I would never do it, but already had the Thumber and it suites me.

Horses for course and you need to get what suites your needs.


Link for the SA company who produces them is the Home of 12 volt.

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Reply By: Mr Z - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:49

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:49
I'm considering the 105 thumper and 120w solar package.
I dont really want to wire in the charging set up, as it will mostly be used in a company vehicle.

Is it best too leave the thumpers on a trickle charger when not in use?
I was thinking along the lines of a ctek, just not sure what size?
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Reply By: Member - Ray B (WA) - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 13:55

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 13:55
Hi Z I would leave it on a trickle charge I bought an Oz Charge unit a few months back and its got capability for all batteries and a Max of 8 amps seems to do the job nicely and was fairly cheap too around $120 from memory thanks everyone for your comments they are appreciated Cheers Ray
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Reply By: Member - Ray B (WA) - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 14:03

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 14:03
Hi Russ when you had your unit repacked was the booster pack attached to the Repacked unit or are they separate? I,ve had one of the original Waeco Battery Packs which looks like a small thumper to power the fridge in the back of the vehicle it still works fine but is not big enough now to handle a trip thru the centre etc but it would be a handy spare or backup
Cheers Ray
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Reply By: Member - Timbo - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 15:45

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 15:45
I got a Thumper primarily because there wasn't room under the bonnet for another battery. Otherwise I'd probably prefer to have it mounted properly under the bonnet rather than loose in the back of the car.
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