Plastic Water Cans

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Hi All

Can anyone advise the best way to fill a 20ltr plastic clear water containers without the garden hose taste, clean and store when not in use?
Are they ok to be stored in direct sunlight while camping or best stored in shade?

Thanks in advance

Rob
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 21:52

Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 21:52
Gday.
Question 1. Dont use a garden hose to fill them.
Question 2. No...not stored... and no its not ideal?????

Sorry the answer sounds a bit short....but so was the question.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 21:59

Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 21:59
Store in shade when ever possible Rob. We have carried them on the back of a camper in the open for a couple of weeks and that was OK. Mould can develop in light. If it does, make a solution with a bit of regular household bleach, shake around, leave to soak for a day (tilt the way of the mouldy patch), shake well and rinse clean.

To fill - preferably straight from a household tap - sit it in bath or laundry trough. Garden hoses usually don't taint water, but i have had it happen. Clear food grade hose from Bunnings and the like is quite cheap - rated not to taint water passing through, but not guaranteed not to taint if water is left in it (eg delivery hoses from tank to tap in caravans). For that a food grade hose with internal lining is recommended although we have had no problems with the white translucent hose.

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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 23:36

Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 23:36
"Garden hoses usually don't taint water"

You gotta be kidding. Water out of a garden hose is usually foul.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 23:44

Tuesday, Mar 16, 2010 at 23:44
Hi Lex

Yes the residual water in a garden hose left out in the sun can taint, but when run through and cleared, fresh water while filling the tanks has rarely tainted our water and did only once (well i blame the hose) and that was in a hot area. We have never had a problem in cooler climates.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 00:23

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 00:23
I have never used any hose other than a standard garden hose to fill the tanks on my c/t, and have never had any issues whatsoever with taint from the hose...

2 provisos... (a) use a hose that is somewhat 'aged' (not a new one), &

(b) as indicated by Mh, always run enough fresh water through the hose to clear any residual water in the hose, ESPECIALLY if said hose has been lying on the ground in the sun...

Works for me ;-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 02:09

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 02:09
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A new hose will give a taste, I reackon it's like ants, a hose that's been used a lot over say 12 months should be OK .

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Follow Up By: Injected - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:49

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:49
Garden hose will taint water, as well as Clear food grade hose and the nylon reinforced food grade hose. Go to a specialised hose supplier or caravan centre and ask for no taint food grade hose. It is light blue on the out side and white on the inside and is rienforced (nylon). You wont be able to smell the plastic used, meaning it wont taint the water passing through it.
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:50

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:50
Maybe I'm more susceptible to the plastic taste, but I just walked out and took a mouthful of water out of my garden hose and I consider it undrinkable.
Its a good quality nylex reinforced hose more than 10 years old and I ran it long enough to clear any water out of it.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:58

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:58
We have filled our caravan tanks from other people's hoses with only possibly once causing taint and that was in the Pilbara and the hose looked rather old - so possibly degrading from the sunlight.

However surely there us no need to use a hose at all to fill a 20 - 25 litre jerry can; just use a tap. Then again it depends on the quality of the pipes and water delivered to the tap.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 07:08

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 07:08
As I can't get my camper trailer water tank close enough to the tap, I use a hose to fill it up
As for a couple of 20 litre water containers I also use, they can be taken to the tap.
I don't bother with the hose for these.

The hose I use for the camper is of "food grade" quality and will not taint the water.
It is a white hose with a blue stripe running down it. More expensive than garden hose but well worth the extra cost.
I also have a valve at the end with a short pigtail section to enable the hose to be turned on and off at the business end.

This hose is available at caravan accessory outlets and some larger camping stores.


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Follow Up By: Member - Johny boy (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:51

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:51
I agree with mother hen and ed I use a garden hose as I cant be botherd getting my u bute windup material hose out and providing I run water out 1st its all good,come on we have to toughen up I drank out of cement covered hoses on work sites lots of times just like cordial just another flavour LOL!!
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Reply By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:08

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:08
We use a short garden hose that is always emptied after use. A habit from getting too many splits when they freeze. Long hoses stored inside. No foul taste.

By stored I gather you mean filled and kept for a week or two before using it. We carry our water in the car out of the light and have not had a problem as yet.

One container was not used over a 6 week trip. Didn't even notice that it had not been used so I tasted it when we got home. All fine. But I would not recommend so long. It was my mistake. But its good to know.

The containers we use are the square white 40 ltr ones with a bung at the bottom of one side. Depending on the length of the trip we sit up to four on the floor across behind the front seats. Thats under a bed extension. They are secure and safe.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:33

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:33
40lt ? x4 = 160lt sitting on the floor under the bed extension , how the hell do you lift them in when full ?
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:58

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:58
Easy. One at a time. They just slide in sideways. Not joking but we can both do it. I had the supports for the bed straightened to sit vertically for just that reason. You can also slide the 9Kg gas bottles in the same way.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:17

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:17
Still finding it hard to believe , you sure you did'nt mean the 20/25 lt square drum and not 40lt = 40kg when full.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:08

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:08
The square white ones. 40Kg isn't a lot anyway. No blody OH&S here.

I will go and check when the car comes back from the service.

Okay
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:15

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:15
YOU WIN.

Couldn't wait for the car. I just looked at where we purchased them. They are 25 litre water cubes. My error. So that means we carry 100 litres. That's plenty for us.

You can tell I am not a water bottle sucker. Don't drink the stuff. Its only good for washing and a cuppa anyway.

Phil
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Reply By: snoopy2 - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:32

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:32
Hi Rob,

I bought a food grade water hose from Bunnings and then installed an in-line water filter (purchased from Whitworths Marine) about 1 foot from the end I use to fill the water tank from. I then put a tap on the end so I can turn the water on and off from without running back to the tap. Never had a bad taste in the water yet. Also, keep your water containers out of the light as much as possible to stop nasties growing.

Garden Tap - Long Food Grade Hose (Approx 12 Mts) - In-line Water Filter - Short Food Grade Hose (Approx 1 foot) - Tap on end of hose

Rgds,

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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:13

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:13
My preffered option is to ladle the water from a remote area stream as it bubbles over clean sandstone or granite in the creek bed. I like to use an enamel jug as the ladle.

I carry water in yellow plastic jerry cans on the outside of the camper. I make no effort to keep them out of the sun but I do prefer to camp in the shade if I can. I usually fill them using a garden hose, the preffered option is often hard to find.

I have never had a problem with taste in the water we carry or mould in the containers. My eldest daughter would soon let us know if something was wrong with the water, she is just like that.

When we get home from a trip I empty any residual water, and leave the jerries to sit in the sun and dry, lids off for a day or two before storing them in the garage with the lids on but loose.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:36

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:36
A clear remote stream. LOL

We used to drink the water out of a "Clear remote stream" ( well 3 hours walk from the nearest road)

Tasted Ok, still alive 40 years later

Only thing was a septic tank from 50 peoples effluent emptied into it 6 miles upstream.

As well as that plenty of Deer doing their thing into it as well

They aren't a hygienic as you think


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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:23

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:23
Graham,

We are tougher than you think. A true story to illustrate my point.

We made camp in the dark that night and set about cooking tea. The first thing I did was go down to the waters edge and filled the billy to make a pot of tea. As I sank the billy into the water it bumped against a tree root and I turned it around and sank it into the water to fill. I repeated the procedure many times that night. Next morning I went down to the water to fill the billy again, for the morning cuppa. That tree root turned out to be a cow pat.

As for you after drinking that polluted water your still alive. In the 6 miles that water bounced and bubbled over the rocks and dirt it came clear and clean enough to sustain life without doing any damage.

The bugs that were left in it from the dear and other animals doing there thing in it actually served to exercise your imune system making it and therefore you stronger and more resilient.

It tasted better than that 'hygenic' stuff you get out of the tap too.

Duncs



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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:34

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:34
Just to show it doesnt always follow, try this also true one.

At the start of each summer season we used to go up to the highest hut we worked at (3500Ft)

Got up there, felt thirsty, turned tap on, oh good, water.

Each of us made a cup of Milo and thought, Hmm that tastes a bit strange.

Had drunk half by this time.

Went out side and looked in water tanks.

YUK two dead Keas in them One was decomposed to a skeleton and feathers.

Oh Dear what do we do now.!!!!

Decided to hightail for home which was 4 miles down hill.

Well we got not quite a mile and off it went

Both ends at once.

A funnier sight youve never seen with for of us squatting there gradually getting thinner and paler.

I have had a colonoscopy but the stuff didnt clean me out as good as a dead Kea


Lesson learned Check the water tanks next year ROFL


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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 18:30

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 18:30
as a kid all we had to drink from was water tanks at school and at home. During the mouse pagues the tanks would have layers of dead mice on top.

but its all we had to drink - so you dont look
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:27

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:27
As others have said run your garden hose for a bit to clear the old water out , if your white/clear plastic containers are already tainted get some 'Milton' in tablet form ,1 tablet in 20lt will sterilize the container ,then refill , long term storage empty or full should be where the sun dont shine to stop algae growth , best is still to store water is the plastic green jerries as per army or plastic blue jerry can as per U.N. code.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 15:54

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 15:54
Buy a drinking water hose...

http://www.valterra.com/RV/fresh_water_products.htm

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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 20:54

Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 20:54
Our eightythousand household had water in it that was over twelve months old and it tastes ok.
If you metropolitan water drinkers could see the inside of your watermains it would frighten you of the stuff forever.
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