Need help registering for Home Schooling our kids whilst travelling Oz

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Hi Nomadic families travelling around Oz.... after reading so many of your forums on how to educate children whilst exploring this great land of ours, the majority of families mention they registered for "Home schooling" rather than "Distance Ed" - purely for the freedom of less restrictive itineraries, nil cost etc. So I thought I would do the same...however....

My application to register for home schooling got rejected at stage 1.

I was told by the application processor, and her supervisor, that nomadic lifestyles or itinerate workers are not eligible to register. This is of course not mentioned in the 'NSW Board of Studies - Home Schooling Information (Application) Package" - neither in 'eligibility to enrol' nor in 'requirements to register'. According to them there is an 'unwritten law' that states that I must only educate my children in my home at the registered address and cannot travel outside of NSW.

Perhaps I am acutely naïve to assume that 'honest' answers in the application such as "why are you enrolling for home schooling....we want to travel around Australia for 6-12 months" and "address where will home schooling take place....'on the road in our caravan" were the WRONG answers, and I should have LIED on the application form for both questions!!! That's pretty much the advice I got from 'the supervisor'.

She told me that my only options are to keep my children enrolled in their current school and request leave of absence, or enrol in Distance Ed. Both options cost $$$$ in school fees - our current school is Independent and 6-12 months of school fees makes the trip finances disappear quicker than eating in a restaurant each night. Distance Ed also costs about $1000+ per child + special headset phones, not to mention its restrictions on set itineraries, weekly classes by telephone etc.

I said, 'so you are telling me that I am ineligible for.. Govt funded free education because I wish to travel" - she said yes.

Can the 'experienced' nomadic families out there, who ARE educating their children on the road by 'home schooling' please tell me how you answered those questions on the application form and whether or not you experienced similar difficulties. Did I do the wrong thing by saying I was going to travel?

Is there a 'trick' to enrolling for home schooling? Help urgently requested. Thanks

Future Young Nomad with kids in tow
On the Road to Discovery
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Reply By: Steve and Viv - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:06

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:06
We did distance Ed. There were very few dead lines. We just didn't put stuff in if we couldn't and they were fine with that. We never had to do phone calls etc, not sure what you mean by weekly calls. From the many hundreds of people we meet Distance Ed in NSW was considered the best of all the states due to the flexibility and what we could manipulate. Class notes were simply mailed to the next destination it maybe 3 weeks before we got there and we told them we were going to be at XX date. It also didn't cost all that much, certainly not 1000. We spent 6 Months so far travelling.
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:12

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:12
Thanks for your response Steve & Viv. After reading your response I re-googled distance ed and found our closest centre (Queanbeyan) only costs $50 enrolment + $50 bond on the educational resources. Heaps cheaper than the $1000+ that I first read (tho I think it was a Qld dist ed centre). Phew!!

They also had a different program for travelling kids compared to permanent kids in remote locations (ie cattle stations), which didnt require the scheduled telephone classroom. Although they still need to know my itinerary 6 weeks in advance.....really I just want to free-wheel the experience and go with the flow. My brain might only work 2 weeks in advance at best!

How much time are people using Dist Ed allocating each day or week to get thru the program? Is there much scope/freedom for using your travels as part of their learning (ie, we just got to Broken Hill, lets do some HSIE lessons on mining etc - or we just got to Kakadu, lets do some aboriginal art lessons?)

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve and Viv - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 20:41

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 20:41
Well we started off a bit strict I think. We thought we would (well the kids) would love to sit in the camper looking out over a lake doing school - how wrong were we. So we ended up doing it when we wanted. In some cases we simply sent in what we had and told them we wouldn't be sending the painting of this or that, what ever it maybe. What we did like about Distance Ed verse what we have seen from home school was that you did get the term packages. We spoke to the teacher allocated and found out what they wanted us to concentrate on. This was decided after they had some of Cams work to view. They did not give us the third degree.

As far as knowing where we were going to be 3-6 weeks in advance, well we just told them we would let them know. Not to many post offices in the middle of the Simpson Desert :-).

what ever way you go it is not that easy and as my wife is saying as I type you will not be the most fun Mum all the time. We had tears now and then and this is a common point from a lot of people we meet.

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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 17:28

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 17:28
Sounds like you got the wrong inexperienced person on the other end. Happens heaps with almost every thing we try to do. Its just an inexperienced person answering the phone. A bit like an apprentice mechanic working on my car never again. I would try again even getting a contact person from others that have done it. I used Dist Ed last year and it was ok at home but on the road it was a nightmare. It took a full day from 9am to 3pm to complete the required units not to mention the two weekly mail out and in. As for the phone you simply cannot do it with dist ed while on the road you need a land line. I asked about using public schools but that idea was rejected due to funding. I am training to be a teachers aide and blown away by the amount of stuff the kids at school are not finishing because of classroom disruptions. Mostly by unruly children that are not disciplined at home. I am seriously thinking about taking my daughter back out as some of the kids there are taking up so much of the teachers time with disruptive behaviour. Sorry my gripe for the day.
Try to contact one of your reply's to get their contact person to talk to.
Good luck with your plans.
I firmly believe our children get a better junor education from a loving family and ones that travel.
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 07:51

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 07:51
I don't want nightmares!! Did your full day 9am to 3pm happen each and everyday or just once a week? I can handle once a week - but 5 days a week well that doesnt leave any time for the tour, explore, experience stuff.

Agree whole heartedly with your comments on unteachable time in classrooms due to distruptive kids. That's 1 reason why I chose their current independent school over the local state school - only 7 kids in each year level and 2 teachers in the classroom!! My pink one started her kinder/prep year with just 2 kids. Talk about one on one. Brilliant start!
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 16:49

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 16:49
Monday-Friday 9-3 we had the back of the cruiser stacked with instruction and work books also a container of art gear . But with saying that you can organise your self and work on weekends and normal school holidays as you have a semester of gear you cart around. Distance Ed was set up for families that live on cattle stations so on. They have mini class rooms set up for this so I guess that's why its so hard to travel with it. I would be interested if I was to do it again talking to your reply where they were in Kununurra. They sound like they know what they are doing. That school your in now sounds fantastic. It should make your teaching easier with such a great start. Its funny when you start teaching, its amazing how with out trying you use every day things on the road as a learning tool. My 8 year old can pick up the Hema and work out where we are. When driving along he sits there studying it. Some times he pipes up "you know that's ------ Mountain." He watches the nav and compares it to the Hema. Stars at night is another one. He knows NSEW by looking at the stars and remembering where the sun went down. He researched that him self in the net. They learn a bit about car maintenance if older enough.History gee theres a live lesson out there. Could go on and on.
Cheers
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Reply By: harrisinoz - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 17:30

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 17:30
Hi

I too am looking into home schooling rather than distant ed and have just received my pack and it looks very complex.....I have just been to see my neighbour who is a school teacher and she tells me that at the end of this year distant ed should be a lot easier as the whole of Australia will be singing off the same sheet i.e all children will be learning the same in all states so she thinks that the cost may come down.......she also stated that distant ed would be the way to go as I wouldn't be able to teach all the curriculum doing home schooling........I know this doesn't answer your question but thought it may help somehow!!!

Regards

Karen
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:03

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:03
Thanks for your response Karen. Which state are you from? Did you get this "pack" after initial registration or as your first introduction to the home schooling system?
Taa
R2D
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Follow Up By: harrisinoz - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:59

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:59
I'm in QLD, so I will have to pay the $1000+!!! I got the pack after my first call to them....What age are your kids???
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 20:05

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 20:05
Our kids are 6 and 7 (year 1 and year 2). The pink one will be easy to home educate....she was born for school - already organising her teacher!. The blue one will be challenging - he came with ants in his pants and can't concentrate for more than 1 minute. They are both pretty bright tho - both reading at highest level against their class peers and pink one won dux last year. I already do 1-2 hours of homework with them each night, so I think I would be well enough equipped to teach them what's needed, and to come up with ideas to keep them interested - let alone the 'accidental' learning - the stuff they learn without realising we are trying to teach them something. But do want freedom to travel when and where we like (at a whim) and to teach whats relevant to the place we are in.

I downloaded the NSW Board of Studies pdf file off their website, about 50 pages long, which had lots of pre-blurb and then 10-15 pages dedicated to examples of what to teach and how to prove you've taught it. Didnt look too bad. The pdf file included the Application Form, which I filled in and posted off - to then get my 3 phone calls from the pleb & her supervisor to say we are ineligible based on 'unwritten' rule. Ggggrrr. Almost had me in tears!

I have an idea up my sleeve with existing school....negotiate a Nil or Little school fee for 'correspondence' so they can still claim my kids under their enrolment numbers (worth approx $7000 per kid for the school) under census of enrolments done in August each year.

If NSW Home school continue to give me grief, may have to suffer Dist Ed afterall.
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Follow Up By:- Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:45

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:45
Gee,

So fulfilling the requirements of the Education Act and providing a concise and exacting learning program for your children without the benefit of a NSWIT accredited teacher and school isn't the piece of cake you thought it was going to be...!

Wow.

I like the way you insult the person attempting to assist you as a "pleb".

Your last sentence pretty much sums it up. The words "grief" and "suffer" are a dead giveaway as to your attitude to two extremely well set up systems that attempt to provide educational programs that are rigorous, exacting and fulfill the requirements of Education Act.
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 13:17

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 13:17
My apologies for offending you, most unintentional. I desire very much to fulfill the requirements of the Education Act - and provide my children with the highest quality education I can give them. One reason I spent over 200 hours researching which school I would send them to in the first place (and as I live in a remote part of Aust - there was only 2 choices)!! My pre-prep I did in anticipation of this phone call from NSW BofS was intense - cirriculum, environmental learning, even down to which texts I was planning to use.

The public servant (used to be known as 'your loyal servant of the Queen') did not serve me loyally, let along even allow me to show my suitability as a Home Schooler. My 1st, 2nd and 3rd phone call from them all said....you cannot be a Home Schooler if you dont plan to live at home. Not one of them asked, if I was qualified or prepared or had a planned a whole 6 months of cirriculum. I could be a qualified teacher, but they never even got that far. I called her a 'pleb' because she read her answers off the sheet and couldnt answer any question not on her sheet.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 17:46

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 17:46
Change your kids schools from independent back to the public system , confer with the school principal and your kids teachers and get them to give you the basic outline of work /study that the kids would be undertaking if in the classroom for the period of your travels , set aside a school work period each week be it only 2-3 hrs , have the kids email their school a letter outlining their travels and adventures on a regular basis while away ,,,
Kids generaly learn more in 6mths " on the road" than they do in the same time frame sitting in a class room ,
Dont know about the system in NSW but our young fellas QLD school principal and his teachers were more than happy with the arrangement , at the end of year exams after 6mths away he was in the top 5 of his class in all bar one subject , Lote.
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Follow Up By: harrisinoz - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 19:05

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 19:05
Sorry to but in, but you found it easier doing home schooling rather then distant ed, I want to home school, but feel my son would miss out on vital studies as I'm not a teacher, my biggest concern would be languages that they learn, what kind of thing did you teach your kids?

Karen
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Follow Up By: Steve and Viv - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 20:51

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 20:51
Karen. We are lucky enough to be very close to 7 school principles and many teachers. We went through this a lot and they told us the D.E was better than home school for those not so into wanting to be the teacher. They may tell you you have to do this and that when you start the trip but we found the NSW one to be quite flexible. It's a tough one bit we found and we chatted about this a lot with lots on the road that a) NSW was the best and most cost effective and b) All the Home school people wanted our notes so they could follow the work stream as it was better prepared than the home school notes..That's what we found after 6 Months on the road. We just spent the wet in Broome and they put Cam up a year over in WA after his test so we think it worked. We are off again later in the year for another 6 Months and will do the same again

Hope you work it out.

Steve
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Follow Up By:- Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:34

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:34
Why would they need to change back to the public system to;

"confer with the school principal and your kids teachers and get them to give you the basic outline of work /study that the kids would be undertaking if in the classroom for the period of your travels , set aside a school work period each week be it only 2-3 hrs , have the kids email their school a letter"... etc?

The Independent school principal and teachers wouldn't do that? How bizarre.

In fact. I am amazed that the original poster hasn't, by the content of their post, had a conversation with their taxpayer funded Independent school principal and teachers.
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Reply By: Beenroundonce - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 23:29

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 23:29
Hi There Road to Discovery!
Mate you are in for the time of your life. My wife and I and our 2 boys 9 & 12 headed off around Oz for 9 months last year. We had concerns about schooling also and heard the scary side of distance ed. Like you, we had no concrete plans except what direction we were travelling! There is no way I could have told anyone were we would be more than a couple of weeks out.
We looked into home schooling also and that is definitely doable for Qld based families as we met families on the road from Qld doing it. I had discussions with the Principal of our kids "State" Primary school about just taking the kids text books and looking after the kids schooling ourselves. She knew us well and was confident that we would keep the kids going with academic work so she was able to sign off on a 9 month leave of absence from attending school. Qld school principals have the authority to make that decision so discuss your options with a State school Principal in NSW. AS Alloy mentioned it might be worth enrolling your kids in public school while you are away.

We met a family from WA doing the same thing. They tried to regiment the schooling to much by insisting that it happen everyday and they had a lot of tears and arguments by not going with the flow more.

The way we handled it was to have a school "day" somewhere in the week where it suited us to be stationary for the day and my wife would be the teacher and take them through the work in their text books. At the start the boys had to be spoon feed all the way but by the end of the trip they were very independent learners and could get through the work on their own most of the time. This meant they could the school work while we were driving and having it finished so they could go exploring when we stopped was good motivation! We backed the school day up with fun math activities, spelling and times tables on other days of the week.

A trip around Oz is like one huge school excursion. We met up with school groups every where. We even asked one group if our kids could join in on the activities and they gave us a copy of the quiz sheet their students were working on. There are real life lessons every where and the kids will understand and retain the information so much better than in the classroom. We were at the bottom of Tasmania below 43deg Latitude so talking about that with the kids resulted in the compass coming out and an impromptu lesson on Lat & Long. We even built a sun dial the next day! Great stuff and incredibly bonding for all involved.

My advice to panic about the school work too much. Take their Maths and English text / activity books and mark the pages so that you know what you have to get through each week to keep them up with their peers. The kids learn a lot from the questions they ask and the answers you give. Wireless broadband is a blessing and invaluable for looking up something that Mum & Dad can't remember the answer to!
Focus on enjoying your trip first and the school work second and trust me, it will all work out fine and your kids will be more worldly wise and be better off for it. We haven't regretted it for a moment.

We left on our trip after New Years 2009 and we wanted to be back so the boys could complete the last term of school, mainly because the oldest was in year 7 last year and was starting high school this year. With your kids being as young as they are having the year off wouldn't be a problem. Focus a lot on reading and you'll be fine.

Have a great time!
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Follow Up By: Beenroundonce - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 23:33

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 23:33
Oops - I meant "Don't" Panic about school work too much!
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 08:20

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 08:20
Thanks - I appreciate all you had to say, some great advice, and I am very excited about what's ahead - especially those impromptu opportunities for learning and bonding.

Tell me Beenroundonce....are you considering changing your screen name to Beenroundtwice soon?
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Follow Up By: Beenroundonce - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:44

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:44
We would do it again in a heartbeat!
With eldest son in High School we'll be trying to keep things stable for a while but we are already planning future adventures.
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Follow Up By:- Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:51

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:51
Absolute bang-on response Beenroundonce.

In NSW the public school principal has the same authority, signs off on a leave of absence and then it is okayed by the School Education Director (SED). If they attended a public school.
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Reply By: John and Lynne - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 07:42

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 07:42
As an ex teacher I have never known students who travelled with sensible parents to be disadvantaged when they returned to school. They are usually ahead. It will be a great experience for you all. I would recommend Distance Ed if you feel you need support for teaching materials etc. As others have said there is no need for great panic and rigidity. At the ages of your children there is not a lot of difficult academic content to worry about. Keep up their reading and maths and take advantage of all the opportunities you find. A wonderful teaching/learning tool is to help them each keep a scrapbook/diary of the trip. This will cover most skills and will be treasured for many years. It will be something to show their school when they return.
You will need to be a bit organised and spend some regular time on learning but not a lot and not even every day. Children in early primary school don't spend all day toiling away at written work! Think about how long it takes to mark the role, collect lunch money, line up, go to the library, do sport etc. Work early in the day when everyone is fresh and hold out rewards like swimming etc when it is finished. Try to avoid battles but make it clear from the beginning that SOME things have to be done and they will soon settle in to Mum and Dad helping with school work. Good luck Lynne
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 08:30

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 08:30
Thanks Lynne - I'm one of those anal people that never does anything by halves, so rather than need support for materials etc I would probably come up with way too much as a 'home schooler' !! Maybe I'm better off giving Dist Ed the 'control' rather than going all out and over the top.
I have no doubts the kids will be advantaged rather than disadvantaged....so much anecodotal evidence from like-minded parents/teachers on web sites such as this....and also those who WISH they had the guts to be like-minded.
Can't wait to hit the Road to Discovery!
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Follow Up By: John and Lynne - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:05

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:05
PS It is a really good idea to involve Dad in learning activities, story reading etc. Apart from not developing a 'good' parent 'bad' parent scenario around schoolwork it will particularly be good for your son to realise that reading and writing etc are not just 'girl' things and real men read too!
Don't stress and be confident in your own abilities to help your kids. After all, you have taught them plenty of other things! Most of all have a wonderful family time - they won't be kids for long! Lynne
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Follow Up By: Road to Discovery - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:21

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:21
Dad is already involved with the reading and homework - there's nothing as worthwhile as a snuggle in Dad's lap to do your home reader each night (although I do believe mum comes up with much better character 'voices' :-). I agree, its very important. Dad and Mum both work from home too, so the kids see every day how reading, writing and maths are all part of normal life for both genders.
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Reply By: BuchanClan - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:40

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:40
Hi :)
We aren't travelling around Australia as yet, thats planned for later this year once we sell our house.

However I do homeschool my 5 boys! I plan to just go. I use pre set curriculum books for maths/english/science and personal development/health (purchased from local educational bookshops), the rest we will make up along the way (so if we see a particular animal, then that weeks work will be photographing it, searching on the laptop for habitat/food/history etc then they will write and assignment with photos! Same as we get to exciting towns, or towns that have particular industry etc. That way they are learning more by actually being there than at home at the table!

I dont think I will even tell the ed dept here, we will jsut disapear, then re-register once we settle long term in a new state.

I have special needs children, so formal schooling has never worked for us anyway (autism or mild intellectual disabilitites/physical disabilities for them all). I cant imagine trying to struggle and do distance ed while travelling! I like to make my own curriculum to suit the situation!

Good luck with what ever you do!
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Reply By: BundyLuva76 - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:37

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:37
Hi there,
We are currently travelling around with 2 boys who we school through the Distance Ed Centre in Melbourne. We have found the lessons to be well set out and very informative but also that the whole system is very flexible for travellers.
The boys usually study for about 2 hours a day, which we find best done in the mornings, when possible. When we first set off we tried doing school work in the afternoon after our other activities but soon realised that the boys were tired and not able to concentrate so we changed our tactic and since then all school work is the first thing we do.
At first we found that our older son was being snowed under with work because we were trying to complete every activity in the book, but after a phone call to his teacher she said not to worry and just complete what we could and to make sure the boys at least keep a daily journal, do some reading and some maths activities.
Yes you all need to be disciplined but it is a small price to pay to get the chance to travel and see so many awesome things that our country has to offer and the children learn so much more from the experience.
The boys know that if they do their school work without any whinging and whining then they will be rewarded in the afternoon by going to a park/museum or anything that is appropriate at the time.
The Distance Ed Centre was only $120 per student for the year which I think is excellent for the amount of resources they send out to you.
To enrol we just needed a letter from our principal at the time stating that we were travelling for 6-12 months.
I hope that you can get your education dilemmas sorted out quickly and smoothly so you can get on the road and do what so many other families are doing too. I'm sure you will never regret it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 17:10

Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 at 17:10
I think you have to be a Vic resident to utilise DE Melb.
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