Tyre Preasure Monitoring Systems

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Hi all,
I'm thinking of TPMS's. Are they worthwhile.
Thanks ColinFM
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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:33

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:33
Colin.

The short answer is yes.
Will probably save you from trashing a tire and the inconvenience of losing a spare when you may need it most.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:36

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:36
Co-incidence - I just wrote this for club newsletter




TYREDOG REVIEW

Recently we have fitted a Tyredog tyre pressure monitoring system , and my brother has fitted a similar but different Tyredog model.

We are undecided as to wether or not they are worthwhile just yet because of the system response times.

This sytem consists of 4 lightweight (11g) sensors that screw onto the valves stems of each wheel and transmit a radio signal to a neat little central module thats sits on your dash.
The central module can then read out the tyre pressure and temperature of each tyre.
Low limits can be set for temperature or pressure and if a tyre drops below this then the module sounds an alarm.
The whole system runs off internal batteries so installation is quite simple, but it can also be wired to your battery.
One of the cute things all 5 pieces do is shut down when there is no movement , this preserves the batteries.
And if you leave your car parked for an hour an jump back into it, the system turns back on , and beeps you -cute !

Issues- My system takes a while, up to 3km before one of the wheels registers on the display and I suspect that it has a weak radio signal but can't be sure.
You can move the display module around to improve reception but so far this hasn't seemed to help.

The idea of these things is to save a tyre from complete destruction after a puncture so reliable readings every few seconds must happen other wise they are useless acept to indicate a slow leak.
In practise the system does seem to work well, mine is set to alarm at 20psi.
Last time on a drive I let my tyres down to 22psi, then we stopped and the tyres cooled to 19 psi, and sure enough the alarm rang and warned us.

The main question with these things in 4wding would be vunerablility. They look easy to damage but so far they have survived well - it will be interesting to see if they survive our Canning trip.
There are different versions - I got the standard 4 wheel kit via a cheap ebay purchase ($182) and my brother got a new Australian version sold by Repco which also includes a spare sensor but its a lot dearer at $400.

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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 21:52

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 21:52
G'day Robin,

On my (old) GU Patrol which weighed 3.8 t fully loaded I have used Tyredog over approx 40,000 km very rough kms. These kms included the Gunbarrel H'way, Western deserts, Canning Stock Route, northern SA, Flinders Ranges, far western Qld, Great Victoria Desert, Binns Track, etc etc. In terms of km, approx half bitumen, half dirt.

Here are some observations based on experience;

No perceivable effect on tyre balance or performance.
The batteries have lasted > 2 years.
Two sensors died quite early - the solder/weld on the battery frames broke. They were replaced no questions asked.
Powers up within seconds.
I lost one sender from my shirt pocket. I had taken the four senders off while airing down in very deep loose creek bed sand near Oodnadatta. Cost me $ 100 to replace it.
In this distance I have saved two tyres at ~$ 300 each, so roughly cost neutral at present.

Cheers

Rick

PS - very happy so far with my 'new' 4.8 L Ti. Did the cruise & power actuator mods two days ago. Is good.
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 22:09

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 22:09
Guys, excuse my ignorance, just not something I know about. I take it you can use a normal s/station air tool to fill tyres through it? Can you still use Staun valves? Are they secure from thieves? Cheers

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 07:59

Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 07:59
Hi Jdwynn

Normally you have to remove them to blow up tyres , but its really no harder than taking off valve cap - some friends of ours fit an extra valve stem into rims .

They come with a seperate locking ring which locks them with an allen key - don't bother with this - its easier to just take'em off.


Hi Rick
Love to hear more about your car sometime.

Wonder if you have any special way to determine if they are working - I haven't yet , and it can be misleading.

On mine from cold the little symbol that indicates pick up is not immediate and 1 or 2 come on quick but then it takes couple of minutes for the others some times.
This indicator is also not updated , and once it gets a hit you think it has locked in.

If however you are attaching one to a wheel then it indicates instantly , but this is a false reading as your hand forms an antenna and signal is stronger while there.

You can also get a false impression if your car is parked near another which provides a reflection path for the signal.

The only way to be sure is to park car on dirt with nothing around it and seeing how long for the signals to lock in.




























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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07

Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07
Hi Robin

How do I know?

Well, they do vary according to speed, road surface, ambient temp etc. So methinks they are working. I'm almost never near a building, temporary aerial like a hand, or other vehicle when reading the unit. I have it hard-wired.

I have occasionally observed a slow response from start (e.g. in the morning, first thing) - when next I look problem is sorted, in that a different reading is displayed.

I have found it nearly impossible to get them all reading the same.
e.g. if I set them at 28 psi (my normal dirt pressure with the tyres I am currently running) then they may vary by a pound or two. I put this down to poor calibration of the tyre gauge and a failure of me, the operator, to be precise.

I am not concerned with a small difference between tyre pressures, as there are so many other variables out there. I am looking for trends and abnormals.

The temps are interesting to watch - in summer it is easy enough to get over 50 °. They run cooler at slower speeds on dirt & bitumen. Sometimes coming off dirt onto bitumen and raising the speed will drop the temps.


Re the newbie 4.8 - will be using for the first time this long weekend. Towing my supply trailer of 1.4 t + 4 blokes in the vehicle. It will be mostly bitumen driving, unfortunately. We will be in the Flinders Ranges - with some slow station track work as well. Will report when I have some more miles under the belt - maybe in a few weeks

Do you have a diff lock on yours?if so, in what circumstances do you use it?

Cheers
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 17:16

Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 17:16
thanks Robin
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jun 11, 2010 at 07:11

Friday, Jun 11, 2010 at 07:11
Yep mine does read like that and its quite a useful tool actually, like you I don't bother with the fact that tyres are 1 or 2 psi different.
But this operation doesn't allow one to verify that it works each few seconds.

I have watched it carefully at times and suspect that one sensor gets read when another car passes or you pass a bus stop which reflects the radio signal back to reciever.

I have already modified mine a little and may yet put a better aerial on it.


On the car - yes I have both lockers front and rear , front is very good , but rear isn't used much as its a lot less effective.

Mine get used a lot , mainly on uneven ground ,they don't help much on grassy padocks.
A front locker is the single most effective thing you can put on these cars.






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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 08:45

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 08:45
I have a similar type of system but a different make.

Whilst it didnt stop 2 tyres ruining themselves it did tell me they were starting to do it and gave me an opportunity to slow down before any major problems eventuated.

I have 8 sensors 4 on car and 4 on van.

It also has a little relay box (as in radio signal relay) for the rear sensors as in my old van the left ones dropped out a bit. This fixed it.

They also tell the temperature and whilst some people say they dont tell the true internal temp they do tell you what the cold temp has risen to.

When I had a full width stone guard on the car my rears got up to 65deg one day.

Took the guard off and they went back to 43deg.
Never put the guard back on again.

Went on some off road tracks in our travels and through hub deep water and they still work.

For the $450 the setup cost me I think it was well worth it.


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Reply By: time waster - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 09:03

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 09:03
Hi colin,

just bought the Tyredog system off ebay for our up coming 3 month trip so will get to test it then. The seller is from O/S but sells brand new units in box for around $165 delivered depending on exchange just scroll down to international sellers on ebay. It's a 4 sensor unit I have put two on the van and two on the rear car tyres.

http://shop.ebay.com.au/tiffany280/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340


Christian
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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 16:03

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 16:03
Hi Colin

After finding a nail in our caravan tyre last year (which held air perfectly until we got somewhere to repair it), we researched systems. Part of the research here;

Tyre Pressure Monitoring thread 2009

Although we still haven't purchased, we decided Sensatyre internal was the best way to go, with separate receiver on caravan hard wired to car to avoid transmission loss. It costs around $1,000 without instalment costs for the whole set up. Still thinking about that one.

We did have a blowout on the caravan later in the trip; something not easy to know about. There was just a soft pop sound and all looked true in the mirror. We were on a road where stopping at that point was not a good idea, and had to travel on the rim a couple of kilometres or so before being able to pull off. Luckily no damage to rim.

It is just a matter of weighing up cost versus loss of tyre and rim.

Temperature gauge would also be of benefit for times like when our breakaway pin on the caravan was somehow knocked out whilst travelling. First we knew was stopping to find very hot smoking and smelling brake drums. A temperature alarm could have let us know sooner.

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Reply By: True Blue - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 16:20

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 16:20
Definitely worthwhile.

Only has to save you the cost of one tyre and it has paid for itself, not to mention the inconvenience and safety benefits.

In the past we have had the Sensa tyre system which was good but not as versatile and easy fitting as the Tyredog system which we now have.

We used the 'Tyredog' on our outback trip last year, travelling some 3,500ks
including Coober Pedy (Painted desert) - Oodnadatta, then down the track, up the Birdsville track, down the Cordillo Downs track, out to the dig tree and then further down the Strezlecki and it behaved perfectly.

Would definitely recommend it.

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Reply By: Member - Ross G (NT) - Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 21:55

Wednesday, Jun 09, 2010 at 21:55
just to add to the case for tyre monitoring. We run a PressurePro system which has six sensors, 4 on car 2 on KK camper. They are similar to tyredog with external sensors on the valves. We had the system on when we did the Canning last year and have done the Simpson and Hay River with them fitted and have never had a problem with the sensors being damaged. I have also fitted a system to my motorbike as a flat tyre when you only have two on the road can be quite scary.
Ross
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Reply By: Member - Laurie K (WA) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:34

Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:34
I have a Tyredog system on my van. I have found to my cost that the rear tyres on the tandem axle are the ones that pick up the sharp things and deflate. Having lost two tyres, I bought the system, and so far has saved me twice - my purchase price covered already.
However, if i lose a wheel (have done that as well), tyredog wont help you. It has a transmission range of 10-15m, BUT only registers when the tyre pressure alters, hence the "slow registration time" on other members gauges. I have driven away from my van, and still had the tyre pressures registering.
Is it worth it, I believe the answer is yes.

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:48

Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:48
The ones i have take a few minutes to register in the morning but update constantly.
According to the instructions when vehicle is moving they update every 4 minutes or faster if the pressue drops suddenly.

IE 0.8psi within 8 secs


They also alarm if the pressure is 15% below the normal and again blink faster at 25% below normal.

Also alarm if temp goes over your preset level.

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Follow Up By: jdbb - Tuesday, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:57

Tuesday, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:57
What brand is your system Graham? Where did you get them from?

John
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:31

Sunday, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:31
They are Secrurtire made in China by Kysonix I bought them from the factory.


Sorry for lateness of reply had no internet since last Monday
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