100 series petrol v8

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What are the problems with these 4x4's. Why can you buy a low km cruiser for a reasonable price . Do they have issues . What sort of life or how many km can these engines do before they are need a rebuild. I know the diesel can do many thousand's km what about the petrol.
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Reply By: mechpete - Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:06

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:06
the fuel economy is the problem . not the engine .
same thing with petrol patrols .
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:13

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:13
20 litres per hundred times a dollar twenty..........
b4 you bag me out, walk a mile in my shoes, then your a mile away and have my shoes :)

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:34

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:34
Do the numbers.

The saving you will buy you a lot of fuel. And should you convert it to dual fuel it will be far cheaper to run than a diesel.

Disclaimer: LPG may have limited availability and/or be expensive in remote locations.

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Reply By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:35

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:35
are the turbo diesels much better on fuel. i have heard they get about 16-17 lph
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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:38

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:38
not realy worried about the fuel at this stage more so if they have any bad habits or gremlins etc...
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (WA) - Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:43

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 22:43
My TD gets around 12.5 - 13l/100ks on average.

Most of my driving is highway though. I can achieve even better figures in favourable conditions.
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Reply By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 23:17

Friday, Jun 25, 2010 at 23:17
I am sorry, fuel these days is always an issue but I have done a few sums and the $15000 dollars I would save in the purchase (petrol v diesel) plus the interest on the loan makes the v8 an option to look at. If it used 8lph more that would cost $10 more ph(approx) $100/1000km $1000/10000km. $15000/150000km . I would only average 20000km per year. LPG even better. My real concern is the life span of the v8. Is it a reliable vehicle.What are the transmissions like . Is the running gear the same as other cruisers. Im not trying to be a smart ass but if there are other underlying issues then there might be justification to spend more on a TD.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:06

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:06
That V8 has been around for over 10 years - originally in the GXV (not GXL) 100series and Lexus. I've not heard a bad word about it. If I were to convert to LPG, I'd do a bit more research just to be sure.
Both manual and automatics were bulletproof. I think if you want an auto, go for a 2004 plus and you'll get the 5 speed.

TD's hold their value better because of perceived running costs and touing range. If you check the costs put out by the motoring organisations, you'll find that the petrol V8 comes out cheaper than the TD - but I do think they allow too much for depreciation on the TD.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:09

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:09
Hi David,
The petrol v8 is a Lexus unit, a superb motor in my opinion. My boss use to own one and I often drove it to Sydney yo pick up three horse floats which weight arround 1800kg empty, towed with ease. I actually prefered it to their current 200, v8td which I find a bit of a beast in comparsion(but bulk grunt).
Now I work for a Co thats runs 130 vehicles plus, we have more trouble with diesels then petrols(most people on this site will disagree with me). In the last 4 years since I have worked for them we have not had a single mechanical issue with a petrol, but their have been at least 6 issues with diesels in the same time.
In fact we have just ordered another four hiaces 14 seaters to go up to the hunter mines in petrol, as we are having less issues with them. The main issues with the d4d have been mainly dirty fuel.
Getting back To the bosses old 4.7 v8 petrol , they got it as low as 13/100 on trips lighty loaded on black top. This was also running hts.
If you invest the diff you will be laughing all the way to the bank.
O engine life, well most petrol toyotas do at lest 400000ks, and you will not be up for en expensive fuel pump in this time either.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:15

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:15
thanks Pete . You have given me a few options to work with.
thanks everybody for your help

dave
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Follow Up By: chisel - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:37
You need to consider difference in depreciation rather than difference in purchase price for an accurate picture. Interest on the loan is important too (or lost interest if you could have been investing the extra cash).

I figured a V8 was going to be very slightly cheaper for me over 5 years but bought the TD anyway for the extra range. I'm glad I did.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:05

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:05
My observations suggest the only significant resistance to that model is within the towing ranks - your study of the simple fuel economics is probably correct. The rise in fuel consumption when loaded up though and battling wind is often reported as dramatic in the petrols - the diesels enjoy a modest rise in the same circumstances. All depends on your travel plans too - if fuel range is an issue, you might be carrying jerries at times ?
And......have you looked over the Lcool postings ?
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:08

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:08
I have a LC100 TD and have a friend who has the same model with petrol V8.

My vehicle is primarily for outback touring and towing and it does this well with the extended range due to lower fuel consumption. My friends V8 is used for general touring and pulling a boat. It does this well with great power for the towing part. His only limitations are as said higher fuel costs and limited range. He has no problems and has learnt to watch the fuel guage.

The LC100 has no special problems in the V8 form and your sums are broadly right. If the limited range is not a problem then it is viable. The servicing costs of petrol are generally lower also so the total cost over a fair period of ownership is similar. Just a matter of matching capability to needs.

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Reply By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:19

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:19
We got 286,000 kms out of GXV V8 and when we sold it I reckon it would easily do another 200,000 kms. Yes they use some fuel but when your buying them for $20k vs $70k new and they are still the same car, despite the KM's and some ageing, you are getting value for money. Direct injection GAS is the way to go if you want to save on fuel costs.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:28

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:28
When they came out david they were touted as having an engine design life of 300,000 km average and I believe they have more than lived up to this.

In short a very good car.

I certainly considered them against the Patrol 4800 , they had lower fuel consumption but not quite the same flat torque curve and a manual wasn't available at the time


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Reply By:- Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:41

Saturday, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:41
Hi,

i own a 2004 v8 petrol (auto). I love it!!! it uses 14.8-15.3 @100-105/hr on the black top with 2 blokes camping gear swag on the roof rack, ats and a 95 litre fridge full of beer and steak. on the sand the fuel use is high. i fitted a 175l sub tank and have a high way range of 1600klm safe. I cant fault the Cruiser. if you go offroad put bilstens in it that is the best mod i ever did (diff drop kit and 2inch lift). Good luck
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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 27, 2010 at 13:09

Sunday, Jun 27, 2010 at 13:09
David M2

My 2 cents worth.

I brough my GXL on LPG brand new in 2004.

As suggested by some in this thread the cost of owning a Petrol (V8) 100 over 5 year is cheaper on average to the diesel. Owning on on LPG is a lot cheaper.
Most people would agree that the 100 V8 is cheaper to run than the 4.5ltr straight 6 petrol or the Patrol 4.8ltr petrol.

The main reason people but the TD is range and fuel consumption.

I am a member of a 4WD Club and have travelled exensively in the High Country, West NSW, SA and NT, with quite a but of QLD thrown in.

I have a different view on this. 90% of the places travelled in remote Australia requires only 150 ltres of petrol to be carried. That is full tank/s and a jerry can.

There are execeptions, Canning stock route comes to mind..

Why do I say this?

One of the most respected outback travellers Vic Widman who also puts on outback Tours agrees with me...

Great Divide Tours (Click here)

Vic advises his tagalong customers on how much fuel is requred for trips. Vic has to err on the side of caution as he cannot afford customers running out of fuel on his trips.

So with the exception of the Canning Stock Route where diesels need 250ltrs and petrol 350ltrs to get to the Well 23 fuel drop.
Vic advises:-
Simpson Desert 200 ltrs petrol
Kimberleys 150 ltrs petrol
Across the Top 200 ltrs petrol
Cape York 150 ltrs petrol

So a replacement sub tank which tend to be 180 ltrs cover just about all remote Australian "outback" trips, so range is not a real issue.

Also a UZJ100 has a a payload of 767kg and a HDJ100 only 565kg
that is over 200kg extra carrying capacity. (HZJ105 743kg)

So my answer is do the math ands plan for 90% not the 10%...


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