proper snatch strap useage/technique ???

how do you use a snach strap properly ???

eg do's /dont's etc, never used 1 and going to stockton this week so chances are may need it

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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 16:47

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 16:47
See this site with video at bottom of page or this site
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:28

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:28
cheers mate good site thx 4 that
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Reply By: garrycol - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:27

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:27
Do you have rated recovery points - most vehicles do not have them as standard. Rated shackles? Have you also got a shock blanket to go over the strap to help reduce recoil if it breaks?

The main point to remember is have the recovery vehicle take up the strain of the strap in a gentle fashion to load up the strap. Driving flat out is not the way to do it as it just damages equipment and vehicles.

Garry
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:36

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:36
yeah just read all this from above link ill get a 8tonne strap ( i have a 97 model lux if it requires a 6t, 8t,10t ill get necessary strap ) and minimum 3.25 tonne D shackles x 2 ,also a blanket . as said i have a 97 hilux 4wd it has a recovery point on front right and cant find on rear i beleive i can diconnect or take off actual tow ball (as im aware not to loop strap around tow ball ) and remove it and place a D shackle (3.25t ) here is ok or have i been miss informed ?? is there a rear attachment of sorts that attachs to towball to be more practical/safe or similar position ??

thx 4 the reply
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Follow Up By: Member - Russler - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 18:11

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 18:11
Also try minimise or eliminate the use of all bow shackles if at all possible. If they fail, you then have a heavy piece of metal, with tonnes of pressure behind it, flying somewhere, usually through the back window or front windscreen of the vehicles involved (just like a tow ball).

You can use the pin through the tow hitch.

Best bet is to get some accredited training!
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:43

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:43
Luxyboy is that point on the front of your HiLux a rated recovery point or the standard tow point. I cannot speak for a HiLux but on most vehicles the original item is for towing the vehicle onroad not for vehicle recovery where snatch loads can be much higher than towing loads.

Garry
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Follow Up By: splits - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 20:21

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 20:21
Luxboy

Garry is right about the hook on the front of your car. It is listed in the owner's handbook as a towing hook. If you contact Toyota direct, they will tell you they do not support the use of snatch straps and their cars are not rated for them.

Having said that, just about everyone uses that hook and most get away with it. There are examples on the net though of them, and similar hooks on other cars, breaking. Your best bet is to use two of them with an equaliser strap between them. You will find that hook can also be bolted straight on to the other side of the chassis. Buy another one, or better still two new ones if you don't know the history of the car, and attach them with new genuine Toyota bolts. While doing that, thoroughly check the condition of the threads in the chassis for rust.

It is not a good idea to snatch off the tow bar on the 2004 or earlier Hilux. The chassis are too lightly constructed. I am not sure if the later models are heavier or not. I know of two cases where the leverage caused by the bar trying to rotate around the side mounting bolts caused the chassis to crack through the bolt holes and the bars were ripped right off with the last 100 mm or so of the chassis still attached to them.

The outriggers on the side plates on the bar extend forward and sit in square holes in the chassis. They are designed to resist the twisting of the bar as a load is applied during towing and they work very well. Unfortunately the loads imposed in snatching often exceed the maximum towing capacity of the car and that is where the problem lies.

If you must use that bar then be very gentle. That should be easy to do in sand. Take a shovel with you and move a lot of sand from in front of the wheels. Don't just scrape a bit out by hand. If you do it properly you may find the stranded car will drive out without having to use the strap.
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 17:53

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 17:53
splits thx mate think i know the points your refering to and other positions mentioned. I only have the 1 recovery / tow point on front of car , are you suggesting i bolt the strap to some where on the chassis under here ?? not sure i understood you on this 1 ??

regarding when you say bar are you refering to the bar that runs across the back of tray that runs down the 2 arms where the tow ball is attached too ?? are you saying anchor the bolts off it ? or the chassis here too ??

will def have a shovel 8t (or appropriate snatch strap 4 car) and an equalizer strap too with D shackles 3.25t and ill ask when i buy it where i should / shouldnt place just to get a grips with actually seeing it being done as to compared to just reading ..

not that i doubt ytou just to make sure im understanding you right ;) yup the shovels there too watched all the videos etc every1 posted all very good just wanna make sure i get these points right so i dont hurt me the mrs or any1 else and dont fuk the car at the same time shes an oldy (97 diesel) low kms and runs well but who knows with the chassis

appreciate the informitive post

on ya mate
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:07

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:07
also just watched the video that tony v posted below on actual towing cars doing the recovery i have same heavy duty towball (adjustable type) so i could get this billet piece he refers to too
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Reply By: Cruiser .- Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:38

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:38
luxyboy

Here is a link that shows the incorrect and correct way to join 2 straps

Incorrect & Correct ways to join 2 straps

Cheers,

Cruiser
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:50

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:50
chhers mate thats very informative ;)
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Reply By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:46

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:46
Take it slow do not just floor it that is a recipe for disaster.

Do your preparation first dig out the wheels and then it should just need a nudge to get it moving.
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:51

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:51
good point 4got about the digging part , der stupid ?? thx

cheers
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:58

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:58
HOW could you ever forget the digging part ? ;-)
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 18:01

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 18:01
brain dead long day and not thinking about where id actually be eg next to car stuckin sand mud etc again der !!! hahahaha
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Reply By: skmaint - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 18:14

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 18:14
While we are on the subject..can you use a tree trunk protector as a bridle for the front of your 4x4??/

Cheers
Simon.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 18:12

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 18:12
The official version is called an equaliser strap - looks a whole lot like a tree trunk protector to me ;)
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Follow Up By: skmaint - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 18:46

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 18:46
The reason I ask is I have heard of people using them,(equaliser strap, bridle, load spreader) I have heard so many different names for them. I have been told there is no difference. If there is a difference I would like to know, not just be told bluntly I called it wrong and its a tree trunk protector. I have not used one myself.... so the reason i asked the question :)
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Cheers
Simon.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:38

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 22:38
Simon,
We used tree trunk protectors for this purpose well before the name equaliser strap was coined. The only difference is the bit of reinforcing in the middle of an equaliser strap.
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Follow Up By: skmaint - Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:08

Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 at 23:08
Thanks Phil.....
I thought you could use them for this purpose. like you said apart from the bit of reinforcing in the middle there is not much difference. A 4x4 outlet said to use it but just wasnt quite sure.

Cheers
Simon.
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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:06

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:06
Luxyboy,

Like other I would suggest joining a 4WD Club, as you are in NSW just click on4WD Association web site and find a Club in your area.

Or maybe if you visit the 4WD Adventure Show at Eastern Creek you will see safe snatch recovery demonstrated on the training/test track.

But have a look at this Sand snatch recovery video.

There are alternative Max Trax etc. but this is a good demo for sand snatch recovery.

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Follow Up By: rumpig - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:39

Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:39
glad you like the video, you won't beleive how hard it was for me to bog that cruiser that day....lol... 16 psi in the tyres due to hightide run up the beach and alot of the rain the night before certainly made it a difficult task.
Maxtraxs certainly are a much safer option over snatch straps, i prefer to use them over a snatch strap any day.
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Follow Up By: luxyboy - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:06

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:06
already got the show booked in 4 tomora arvie !!!! wont be missing it !!!! can you suggest a good hilux club in sydney 4 older models or even just all round ??

am pretty confident with actually doing or recieving a snatch recovery its the placement on my particular car i am worried as stated above to slpits

good video you posted also ;)
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:13

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:13
Probably the first thing to ensure about snatch straps ... Is that the most knowledgable, expert, 4x4 accessory salesman has actually sold you a snatch strap ... and not a tow strap/winch cable extension.

I think snatch straps now have a coloured band in them for I.D.
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