Cryovac question...

Submitted: Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 17:52
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Thinking about buying one...are they any good for keeping sandwiches fresh??
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Reply By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:01

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:01
Yes they are great..... but not very suitable for sandwiches as when you pull the vacuum on the bag it will FLATTEN the bread & the filling....but it will stay fresh


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Follow Up By: Member - Carl- Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 19:25

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 19:25
This correct but there are special containers for bread. Not certain about sandwiches.

My understanding is bread will remain frest for at least 2 weeks.
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Reply By: Member - Barnray (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:01

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:01
No they will squash the bread to nothing. But for meats and other stuff they are great. Barnray
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Follow Up By: townsville - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:11

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:11
We were told today at the shop that the cryovac will suck the moisture out off sangas..
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:33

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:33
townsville,

Not necessarily.
You can freeze the sausages first, then safely vacuum seal them.
Same goes for similar meats such as mince.


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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:46

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:46
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What a cryovac machine will do is suck all the air out of the bag. Without any air to breed bacteria, it keep the product fresher for longer than in the atmosphere that it was in.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 19:35

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 19:35
Dont Believe that Steve

there are a host of nasties that either need no oxygen or indeed need the absence of oxygen

as i said below Botulism is the worst of them

cryovaccing reay to eat low acid, high protein, moisture food is a massive NO NOBotulism
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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 20:01

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 20:01
Who is Steve??
I have not seen a Steve reply on this thread??

What does "cryovaccing "reay" to eat low acid, high protein, moisture food is a massive NO NO boutulism" mean in layman terms??

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Follow Up By: skulldug - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 06:50

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 06:50
John,

Steve is from Claire and replied to the follow up two before yours.

The only thing with get outmore's post is that he didn't use the spell checker.


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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 16:32

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 16:32
Skull,


I see a Stephen from Clare, not a Steve from Claire.

If a person signs their name as Stephen, John, or Skull, the polite thing to do is address them as such IMHO.

Maybe a grammar and spelling check might be help, as I cannot understand what he is trying to say.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:04

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:04
I admit the grammers not the best and theres a typo or 2 but it couldnt be much clearer if i spelt it all out for you

as to who was addressed that has little to do with the content. And if all that was still to much for you, you could just click on the link which will explain why vaccume packaging sandwiches is a definite NO NO
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:14

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:14
oh and as someones mentioned vaccume packing stews below, they go in the same catogary, of high moisture, low acid and high water content food that gets no additional preperation prior to eating (heating doesnt count and will do nothing) Im not saying you cant get away with it but i am saying its complete madness to do so


the issue is most normal food will appear spoilt due to the prescense of pseudamonis bacteria which gives food its "off" smell and look

however vaccume packed food doesnt allow this bacteria to grow and indeed lets other bacteria grow in its place which is often far more deadly

there is a good reason why industry only vaccume packs certain foods

foods like stews which are vaccume packed (canned stews) are heat treated AFTER canning for a specific time vs temperature to garantee all botulism spores are killed
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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:38

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:38
get outmore

Thank you for your response, as it shows you are very intelligent and you want to be portrayed as dumb.

But I do have a profile you can check and dont hide behind a pseudonym.

Had a lovely day on the golf course today, hope you did too.

Heading to Cooper Creek next week with cryovaced meat, as we used on our last trip and survived.

Have a lovely day and enjoy the forum I do !!

Cheers,
John

PS hope you can get outmore see you on the road
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Follow Up By: skulldug - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:29

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 22:29
John B2,

You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding. Read the post. If you don't get it, follow the link that was provided.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:09

Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:09
As i explained meat is a different kettle of fish as it is cooked before eating

The issue is whith cryovaccing ready to eat meals
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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:10

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 18:10
definitly not - thats about the best way to get botulism poisoning
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Reply By: landseka - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 09:41

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 09:41
We have just returned from a 3 week trip to the Pilbara, Karijini, Millstream etc. Prior to leaving I bought some chops, sausages & steaks and had the butcher cryovac them.

Throughout the trip they were refrigerated only, nothing frozen.

Right to the end of the trip we were eating it and it was a good as the day I bought it.

Having said that, I have a domestic Sunbeam unit which I would not trust to do as good a suck job as the commercial unit, so I wouldn't chance it.

I cannot see why it would not keep your sandwiches fresh enough for a few days anyway provided the correct storage medium was used, eg a box of some sort rather than bags for the reasons stated above.

Cheers Neil
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Follow Up By: deserter - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:13

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:13
We have cryovaced multiple layers of fresh bread. Make the sandwich up when you get there.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 15:56

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 15:56
We use our Sunbeam Cryovac machine a lot without any problems and have done so for the last four years.
We do not do sandwiches but do all our meats and fish in meal lots as well as some stews, home made soups etc.
When you purchase the machine read the directions and follow them to the letter and you will have no trouble.
We have eaten snags that have been vac packed for 5 weeks and kept at fridge temps in the engel and they were as good as the day we cryovaced them.
In four ters the only problem we have had is on the odd ocasion we have inadvertantly put a hole in the package and then it is no good.
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Reply By: ozexplorer - Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:01

Monday, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:01
Keep an eye out if you have an Aldi store near you, we purchased ours there a couple of years ago for $99 and it works a treat, has been to Roper River barra fishing several times and still great, no problems at all with the Aldi brand.
They have them on sale every 3-4 months, not a regular item, they sell the bags as well.
One of the best camping gadgets you can have!
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Suellen
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