Cooper Creek and Simpson Desert current conditions

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2010 at 22:51
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Hi all,
We, (my wife Andrea and I) are new to Explore Oz so we are writing to say hello and introduce ourselves. We have an 80 ser. Toyota and love to go outback touring/camping.
We are heading off to Birdsville,Simpson,Oodnadatta,Maree,Adelaide on the 17th Oct. Hope that the ferry over the Cooper will still be in use then. Can any recent visitors to the areas please let us know what track conditions were like recently ?

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Reply By: Lifetime Member - Stephen L ( - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:38

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:38
Hi Wooly
The only thing that I can tell you is that it will be hot. Top parts of the state have already had day over 37 C and it will be warmer out there in the desert.
Check out the below link for the Birdsville Track conditions, as it is still cut up and slow going.

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/quicklinks/northern_roads/area1.asp

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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:22

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:22
Hi Wooley,

We went up the track from Marree to Mungerannie Hotel on Sept 15.

The track has been cut up compared to when we came down it on the day the Cooper Creek crossed it in June. Just take it easy in these parts.

We were at the Mungerannie Hotel when the Road Inspector closed it from Mungerannie to Birdsville for safety reasons. Phil showed us his videos and the inspector explained why he had closed the road. Some of the ponded areas had been so cut up the ruts had become dangerous, you could not see them for the water, he nearly tipped his vehicle at one. You will see the warning in the link Stephen gave you for travel Birdsville to Mungerannie.

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Follow Up By: Member - Leon A (SA) - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 22:58

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 22:58
We were there that day as well John, we got up the track just before the inspector closed it. We also came back down after being confused by three different road signs in Birdsville one said 'closed' another said 'high clearance 4wd' and the last said 'open'. Was a lot worse coming back down and was the right thing to do to close it otherwise people in less capable cars, like the Forrestor that was there on the day, would be trying to drive up and drown there car.
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Reply By: Members Pa & Ma. - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:31

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 10:31
Hi Wooly.
Welcome to ExplorOz.
I agree with Stephen, but also keep an eye on the synoptic chart just before you leave.
We couldn't do the trip we wanted to do this year because of rain all across the centre, coming through in 3-4 day cycles so we went up to have a look at the Coopers Creek Punt and ended up helping tow a stranded car and caravan out. He went in in a normal car and caravan before it rained on the smoothest Birdsville track he'd ever seen.It rained and he was stuck there for 2 weeks! Take extra food & water in case!! and reliable recovery gear.

The road was patchy from Marree up to the Coopers Creek with ponded water & bog holes which were a mess, the road fro Mungeranie to Birdsville was closed.
The road to Mt dare from Dalhousie was closed. This was about 10 days ago.
It probably has dried out but could still be a mess.
Ring Mt Dare., Birdsville Ranger Stn and The Pink Road House Oodnadatta prior to leaving. The Phone numbers should be on your Desert Parks Pass.
We think the Coopers will still be running by then, just not as high. While you're there check out the Dunnie on the South side It's a classic!
The Punt won't take trailer either.
Take care, Safe travels. Ma.
Warning! The Mossies at Dalhousie are voracious monster Mossies. We went for a dip at lunch time but moved on to night camp.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 22:10

Monday, Oct 04, 2010 at 22:10
when we were there in August ,
they had a tray truck . sitting there and if someone had a trailer , you could arange with the truck to load the trailer onto it and it would be taken over on the back of the truck , for a fee????
mechpete
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Reply By: Garry H (S Aus) - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 00:12

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 00:12
Hi All,
first post after being a long time reader (and traveller) but had to join and contribute (not just read) an answer to this one, just returned from travelling the full length of the track leaving Adelaide on 25/9 and camping @ Farina, 2 nights on the banks of the cooper, 2 nights @ Birdsville, then back down staying @ Clayton (artesian spa pool) , and Woomera (via Roxby).
the track had certainly dried out a lot between up and then back and there isn't any really tricky spots, just drive to the conditions. The track from Mungeranie to Birdsville took 5 1/4 hours up (including a quick lunch break) and only 4 hours on the way down, very little ponded water from there to the ferry, and then on the south side of the ferry detour road, the badly cut up section by the water trough/dam was better on the way back thanks to the highways crew fixing the road, all water crossings had a firm base.
certainly worth the drive in the first week of the SA school holidays, to see the bird life and wild flowers, the kids especially love the budgies that are now starting to flock (11 flocks in the first 20 minutes heading south from Birdsville first up in the morning)
allow some time at the ferry to do the boat trip ($50 each for 1 1/2 hour sunset trip) and the helicopter flight from the ferry ($70 each for 15 minute flight) is certainly worth it to really see how much water there really is.

Has anyone heard about the highways dept fellas that got the vehicle and then the grader bogged trying to get through on the main Birdsville track? word was that it cost about 20k to get them all out again with another grader and a truck, thinking that if they did manage to get thru then they could shut the ferry that is costing lots of $ to run, I understand that they were warned that they wouldn't get across but the powers to be sometimes know best and ignore local advise........

we also saw lots of variation in colours (White, different shades of Pink, Variegated, and combination White/Red) of the Sturts Desert Pea around Roxby
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Follow Up By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:54

Wednesday, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:54
Hi Garry,

We may have crossed paths with you. We were camped on the north bank of the Cooper west of the ferry on the 26th and 27th with our spectacurlary muddy Jackeroo and were swanning around on the river in our porta bote on the 28th.

When we headed south that afternoon there was a grader and truck bogged on the diversion track about 5km south of the ferry that held up us and others for about an hour before letting us pass. They had a front end loader dumping more dirt on the road but had not recovered the vehicles when we left about 4:30pm.

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Pete
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Reply By: TD100GXL - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 00:22

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 00:22
Hi Wooly.
We have just (2 days ago) returned from a similar 2 week trip. We timed it beautifully with perfect weather and all tracks opening just in time for us.
Heaps of wildflowers in the desert and plenty of water lying around, especially at Big Red. There were quite a few diversions to do which added a few extra km's but some of these (wet claypans in particular) may dry out soon. We had diversions around Lake Poeppell, QAA and K1 junction claypan, 2nd crossing near Eyre Creek (the main crossing was passable at about 50cm saving about 60km) and east side of Big Red.
The track from Hamilton Stn to Mt Dare was closed due to flood damage we believe, but Hamilton to Dalhousie had just been opened. The Birdsville track opened a couple of days before we hit it and was a reasonable run with just some boggy and rutted sections and a long pretty rough diversion at one point that had bogged a road train full of cattle.
The Cooper ferry is still running and will be until at least December (when their current contract runs out). You can get a camper across on the flat top truck for $50 as one of our group did. The cruise boat from Innamincka is based and running at the ferry, as is a chopper for joy flights.
Let me know if you want any more info,
cheers, Stuart
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Follow Up By: Member - Mary W NW VIC - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 22:46

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 22:46
A little more info please.
Cruise boat?
Sounds fascinating
Thanks,
Mary
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Follow Up By: TD100GXL - Wednesday, Oct 06, 2010 at 01:06

Wednesday, Oct 06, 2010 at 01:06
Hi Mary,
Is there anything specific you wanted more info on ?
The cruise boat is about a 20 seater and I think it costs about $50 pp for a 1 1/2hr cruise. We did not get a chance to do the cruise. We found out that the boat was actually launched at the Cooper 20 years ago either next weekend or the following one so they are going to have a bit of a party to celebrate the occasion.
If you get a chance to get up there to see the Cooper in flood and cross the ferry it is worth the effort, 20 years since the ferry has been needed and who knows when it will happen again. On the way up from Marree stop and have a 'hot spa' at Clayton River (the station has provided a hot artesian spa, toilets and a shower to sooth weary travellers), it is well worth it......don't forget the flyspray !!. If you cross the Cooper ferry head up to see Phil and Pam at Mungerannie and enjoy another hot spring and get your teeth into a great hamburger.
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Stuart
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Reply By: Member - Anthony W (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 21:26

Tuesday, Oct 05, 2010 at 21:26
Thanks for all the info. Sounds like track conditions are a day to day proposition. We will have to keep on eye on weather and road conditions and decide which way to head on the day.

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