000 - 112 - 911 Emergency calls
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Mike DiD
There's been a discussion (with few facts) this morning on ABC radio about the use of 112 for emergency calls for mobiles.
The discussion started because one NSW Fire Brigade station put up a
sign recommending people use 112 for emergency calls from Mobiles. They were directed to change this to 000 because this is the official policy - and there's a good reason for it - from fixed phones, ONLY 000 will work.
I took the SIM card out of my phone and tested it - all three numbers (000 - 112 - 911) took me through to the same 000 recorded announcement. This is no surprise - there's only one Emergency Service Answer Point service, using a centre in
Sydney and one in
Melbourne, with either capable of taking the full traffic and passing calls through to the Police, Fire or
Ambulance.
The reason for suggesting 112 was that it gave some priority for calls, but this is a myth. The network just routes calls from any of these numers (000 - 112 - 911) to the same ESAP.
So there's no point in training kids to phone any number other than 000 in an emergency.
In fact it's dangerous to teach them any other number, as 112 and 911 calls will fail from a home phone.
Reply By: Member - mazcan - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 14:56
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 14:56
hi mikedid
i also heard discussion of simular nature on the tv
i used 112 on my m'bile once when a fire started in a shed nearby
my home and it went through to 000
i commend your thread
as you have made some very valid and important points
and i dont think the nsw fire brigade in mention thought this through to much before making their recommendations public which is just going to cuase more confusion and /or panic
cheers
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Reply By: Nargun51 - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 15:49
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 15:49
The problem is that in ohhhh (expletive deleted) situations people are probably not thinking coherently and revert to what the brain calls
forth as an emergency number. Unfortunately, 911 is probably etched in too many brains.
I bought a new mobile yesterday for my wife; the instruction manual included reference to both 112 and 000 for emergency calls.
I know there was some discussion a while ago about diverting land line calls made to 911 to 000. Don’t know whether this was implemented.
Land lines are almost extinct; my kids don’t use them unless they’re out of credit, at work I try a mobile number before a landline (better chance of talking to whom I want without having to wait for a call back). A couple of weeks ago, my wife locked her mobile and car keys in the car. The shopping centre of our suburb/town does not have any public phones, the one in the
supermarket was out of order and the chemist which also has a pay phone was closed.
There was a British comedian who observed 000 was the best number in the world for emergencies; Oh Oh, Ohhhhhhhhhhh
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 15:56
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 15:56
Don't think I like 000 anyway Nargun.
I think I have already called it accidently once this week trying to pair a bluetooth phone with the cars radio which can be a frustrating and complex process - and you get asked to type in the standard 0000 passkey - unless the phone is in just the right mode then they can dial 000 , so 911 sounds good
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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 16:07
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 16:07
Robin,
"911 sounds good ", please give me a break, there are enough Americanisms creeping into our lives already.
Next thing we know you will want to change the name of this site to ExplorUSA.
Cheers,
Cruiser
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Follow Up By: howesy - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:38
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:38
what does the american phone number matter. we live in a country where we all go to work to give free handouts to immigrants and those that wont work while we give them land and a host of other things and invite them to tell us how we should live our lives.
Sounds like a phone number is a pretty small issue in the grand scheme.
:-)
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Follow Up By: Joe n Mel - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 21:38
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 21:38
911 ??? you are kidding, how did that creep in, we only ever had it on movies ???
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:48
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:48
I half heard a radio news item yesterday - but I think it said that while 000 calls are annoymous , with 112 / 911 you are (or wil be) identified.
This can mean that in an emergency you only need to make a connection to get the help process started which could save vital time in some situations.
Interested if anyone else heard and could fill in rest of story.
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Follow Up By: Kev - Member - Wynnum - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:40
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:40
Hello Robin,
I can assure you that if you dial 000 from any phone your number is immediately
identified.
It is an offence to dial hoax 000 calls and people are regularly prosecuted in Qld. for this offence.
It is amazing how much inconsistency there is in this matter. One would think that
it should be standard given that the number is meant to be dialled instinctively in
an emergency.
It is my belief that 000 can be used from mobiles. 911 is diverted to 000
and use 112 from mobiles where there is low coverage as it activates the strongest carrier.
Kev
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:23
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:23
"I half heard a radio news item yesterday - but I think it said that while 000 calls are annoymous , with 112 / 911 you are (or wil be) identified. "
MORE MISINFORMATION !
All callers to emergency
services have their number identified, even if you suppress the sending of your number to all callers.
For maximum safety, even Mobiles with no SIMcard in them are able to make emergency calls - unfortunately that means that there IS NO PHONE NUMBER and the sad people in this world who make hoax calls use this to their advantage.
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:26
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:26
"It is my belief that 000 can be used from mobiles. 911 is diverted to 000
and use 112 from mobiles where there is low coverage as it activates the strongest carrier. "
No, calls to 000, 112 and 911 are routed exactly the same way to the Emergency Service Answer Points.
The telephone network these days is a computer - if it can identify a dialled number, it will route it based on tables programmed into it.
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Follow Up By: Kev - Member - Wynnum - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:53
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:53
Mike,
You are right all those emergency numbers are diverted to 000. Then directed to the required emergency service.
If it is the case and 000 does not have the ability to locate a 000 caller.
Could you please explain how Police,
Ambulance and QFRA are able to locate
the caller when they call and leave no voice.
Police are regularly detailed jobs to attend unanswered call back calls by 000 operators. Try it, make a 000 call don't speak and don't answer the call back and the police will knock on your door.
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:14
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:14
The answer to that is already written above -
"All callers to emergency
services have their number identified, even if you suppress the sending of your number to all callers.
For maximum safety, even Mobiles with no SIMcard in them are able to make emergency calls - unfortunately that means that there IS NO PHONE NUMBER and the sad people in this world who make hoax calls use this to their advantage."
I've sat beside ESAP Operators while they answered and forwarded calls, I've watched Police,
Ambulance and Fire Call centre operators receiving and paasing on calls, so I know exactly what happens.
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Reply By: Member - Russler - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:02
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:02
112 was introduced for mobiles because 000 did not work on all mobiles. I don't know if that is still the case.
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Follow Up By: guzzi - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:28
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:28
112 will get you through to 000 regardless of the carrier you are near, ie your optus with no cover but dial 112 and it will get picked up by say telstra if there is a
telstra tower within your phones range.
Thats how it was explained to me on the last
first aid course I did.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:42
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:42
That is the crux , being in mobile range , 112 will divert to 000 no matter what phone carrier you are locked into even on a prepaid plan with no credit left ,BUT and that BUT is you must still be in a mobile carriers range.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 19:39
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 19:39
This subject is always a concern for me.
000 from any moble will use another carrier if your carrier is not available. (on most phones)
000 is available from any phone service including VoIP.
112 is the international emergency number, (which is why it works here) 112 does not work on land lines....
When mobiles were first introduced in Australia they were not able to contact 000 so 112 was advised by phone manufactures. 000 is programmed into all modern mobiles.
quote..
"In many new GSM handsets, Triple Zero (000) is programmed into the firmware as an emergency number. In these handsets, Triple Zero (000) provides the same features as 112, that is, the call will use any available GSM network to reach the Emergency Call Service, regardless of whose network you are accessing. For this reason Triple Zero (000) should be dialled first. "
All this information is available @
ACMA web site click here
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Reply By: Wilko - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 22:18
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 22:18
The biggest issue with the 000 line is the prank calls. I believe it should be a crime to do this and have the harshest penalty huge fines or jail time.
Accidental calls i can understand i can happen but someone ringing up cause they need a plumber or similiar, is just a joke.
Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: Tim - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 23:31
Tuesday, Oct 19, 2010 at 23:31
Making pranks to triple 0 and giving false information is an offence (atleast in NSW). It is called public mischief and from memory is bascially giving information which initiates an investigation on false grounds.
The problem is, phones with or with out a sim card can still call triple 0. With no sim card it is not possible to trace the call. Even with a sim card you just need a low life to say that the phone was stolen at the time and they are off scott free.
The idea if being able to call triple 0 without a sim card may eventually save a life and the idea of disabling this feature would bring condemnation however one must remember back to the days when there were no mobile phones and people would have to go and find a land line.
Tim
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:05
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:05
Hi
Before my last trip I tried to clarify,That if in a state of emergency what number would I use on the old sat phone I carry.
I never got a clear answer from my provider in New Zealand and then inquiries in Aus.
I was told the International distress call 112 no longer applies. So at a guess one would keep pushing all the emergency numbers and hope some one answers.
The other option would be to activate the EPIRB but then a call to VKS 737 might get a quicker response from someone close by.
I would be happy if I never had to use the system in an emergency, by the way 111 is the number you dial here.
You take your chances I guess
Take care out there.
Cheers
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Reply By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:08
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:08
The difference is that 112 works on a locked mobile. So you can use any phone you can find and keyboard locked or not it will work. Exception (because there is always one) is an iPhone where you get a button with "Emergency Call" on it. There is no priority shift.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:18
Wednesday, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:18
"I took the SIM card out of my phone and tested it - all three numbers (000 - 112 - 911) took me through to the same 000 recorded announcement. "
- that means you can dial 000 from ANY mobile, you don't even have to be a customer of ANY network.
- when you are out of range of YOUR network, it will say Emergency Only - because it will respond to ANY Emergency number.
Fortunately the Australian Mobile networks were mandated from day 1 to be able to provide the best possible Emergency coverage - provided you're in range of at least one network.
Contrary to Salespeak, they will NOT connect via satellite for emergency calls when out of range of a tower.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 21:10
Monday, Oct 25, 2010 at 21:10
Absolutely correct If OUT OF RANGE of a tower YOU WILL NOT BE CONNECTED TO ANYTHING.
The only phones that will divert from one type to another are some of the old ericssons on Globals++t and the Thuraya dual band phones..
and still only within range of a tower
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