man dies from tiger snake bite

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Possibly a timely warning to all of us who may be out and about where the snakes are. There is an article in todays news regarding a WA man whom died from a tiger snake bite he sustained whilst sitting at his computer. The article suggested that the snake was small and the man did not immediately seek treatment. He apparently died on admission to hospital. The take home message is that even if you feel ok, probably best to seek immediate attention after a snake bite as some snakes venoms can have delayed actions. doc.(I would post a link to the article but I'm not sure how. )
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Reply By: Member - Michael O (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 16:54

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 16:54
Our local snake catcher here has confounded the experts after surviving a taipan bite recently. He presented at A&E with his daughter who told the staff her Dad had been bitten by a taipan. They said "there are no taipans around these parts..." That's when she told them he was the snake catcher. He was very, very sick but pulled through.

Taipan bites are particularly bad as their venom contains a neurotoxin that attacks the nervous system. It also prevents clotting which causes massive bleeding. And to top it all off, it is also myotoxic so it eats away at muscle tissue. Not nice at all....

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Follow Up By: Member - Gavin W (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:04

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:04
There is only one recorded case of a person surviving a taipan bite without seeking medical treatment. He currently lives up here near Lakeland in Far North Qld.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 19:18

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 19:18
Here is a good yarn. Bruce Stringer (now Dr Bruce Stringer I believe) was a few years ahead of me at Freshwater Primary School (Cairns suburb). He is one lucky lad to have survived a taipan bite thanks to the work done by Ram Chandra.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gavin W (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 22:15

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 22:15
This one is for real and has been recorded and authenticated as the only known person to survive a taipan bite with no antivenine.

His name is Pastor George Rosendale, a legend of a man who has been around the Cape and Gulf since 1930. You would have to go a long way to find a kinder hearted man.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 22:39

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 22:39
Didn't doubt that he is for real Gavin.....just thought that Bruce Stringer's experience of the early 1950s was worth airing in this discussion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gavin W (QLD) - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 09:56

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 09:56
Definitely worth mentioning. At least we have more in the way of health care these days!
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Reply By: AGNI4x4 - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 17:51

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 17:51
Quote >> man whom died from a tiger snake bite he sustained whilst sitting at his computer

I think it was a confused snake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was probably after his mouse ?
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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:23

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:23
Behave!! :)
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 19:09

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 19:09
hi
the fact is he was inside his house
so was not camping and dont see the connection with this site except beware if bitten by anthing with tiger in it's name
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:01

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:01
I think that IS the point Mazcan. Logic tells me you are more likely to be bitten outside than inside your house.
But the gist is that he didnt seek attention or take proper steps after the bite, soon enough.
Relevant to anyone camping, gardening, etc etc.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:03

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:03
Link here.......Snake Bite Death - WA
Yep re the small ones - remember years ago my late dad saying don't be fooled by the juvenile bites - he'd seen a bloke affected very badly by a small brown's bite - lucky to survive. As for tigers - saw one or two in WA last year - a much respected beasty :-o(.
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Reply By: Member - barbara M (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:30

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:30
Hi Everyone,
We had a snake specialist at school the other day. They said that young snakes do not know how much venom to release so they release the lot so it is actually worse to get bitten by a young one
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:51

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:51
Our local snake catcher said that young snakes are more dangerous as they move quicker and are more likely to bite. He came to remove a large dugite which uncharacteristically was not at all shy, and our daughter was worried about her kitten who wanted to play with it. It turned out safer to catch than a young one as it was bigger than we thought from seeing it curled up. I don't know how the kitten managed with the 2/3 of a metre one which she brought freshly killed to us for tea a few nights later.

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Reply By: the_fitzroys - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:39

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 18:39
I did a stupid thing on a camping trip in Sturt National Park recently. Got out of the car in sandals and walked through some longish grass for about 200 metres. Was being eaten alive by mosquitos and didn't feel anything bite my ankle. A day later there was a large, poisonous looking red wound, very raw looking with two adjacent marks in the centre. God only knows what it was but a faint mark is still there about 2 months later. Obviously not dangerous but could so easily have been. Lesson learned. Bigtime.
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Reply By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 20:14

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 20:14
thanks Doc, along with other posts, your point is well made. Cheers

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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 20:50

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 20:50
More relevant/interesting news here than on the idiot box "news" (which I lately have not bothered to watch).

For those that haven't read the article or don't know the local area, Gin Gin is a rural area north of Perth that stretches from the coastline across the flat sandy soils of the Swan Coastal Plain to the hinterland and foothills of the Darling Scarp. Gin Gin is best known for the Moore River (a great spot to go camping, fishing, 4WDing) and there is a system of fresh water lakes and streams... A haven for the tiger snake!

Thanks Doc for the story.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:27

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:27
Hi

Gin Gin?

....think you mean Gingin.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:59

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:59
touché ...........

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 22:03

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 22:03
May have been my second last post :)

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Reply By: Ianw - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:22

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:22
"The 43-year-old man was sitting at his computer at his Gingin property when he was bitten on the toe by a small Western Brown snake on Friday, police said"

and

"A Western Australian man has died after being bitten on the toe by a tiger snake while using his computer."

2 different quotes from two different articles

Wonder what type of snake it was actually?

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Follow Up By: V64Runner - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:41

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:41
Just heard on the 6.00 pm news in Perth this evening that it was a Western Brown snake. It appears that the vacant land next door to his property had been burnt off ,when the snake decided to seek refuge inside the house. As there are no if little medical facilities in Gingin, he was rushed 80km to Joondalup hospital but died before he got there.

Only time I ever go to Gingin is to the annual British Car Day, hosted by the Jaguar Car club . Not much to do or see there.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:04

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:04
It appears he DIDNT rush there, he called his mate to come and help him catch/kill it then reported feeling crook.
It would appear he didnt apply a pressure bandage or immobilise.
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Follow Up By: V64Runner - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:49

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:49
Hi fisho64. If you can believe the media on the 6.00 pm news , it was Rick Ardon who stated - "he was rushed 80 km to Joondalupo hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival " Dont shoot the messenger as I was reporting verbatim what was said on the news. Never let the fqacts stand in the way of a good story regardless of the out come and what the snake was. Could have been any kind of deadly snake we have in WA , not necessarily a Western Brown,
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 01:43

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 01:43
I dont belive I shot any messenger, merely added to what you had posted.
Sorry about that if I caused any anguish though.
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:55

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 21:55
I guess it depends which news bulletin you want to believe. Tiger or brown snake matters little when the report indicated that instead of ringing for an ambulance straight away and limiting his physical activity this bloke rang a mate to come around and help him find and kill the snake. Only rang an ambulance when he started feeling crook. If his mate had known a little first aid he would have sat him down and applied a pressure bandage instead of chasing the snake around.
But as I said it depends on which news you want to believe.

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Follow Up By: oz doc - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 22:04

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 22:04
Hi pop, I agree, the exact identity of the snake is not so important. The take home message is to treat all snake bites as serious. Even if you feel fine, you should take appropriate first aid measures and seek help prompty. A little like taking the possible signs of heart attack and stroke seriously. If it is a false alarm- no one will think any less of you, however if it is not a false alarm- every minute can count.doc.
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Reply By: 3GoBush - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 22:41

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 22:41
A Simple First Aid course will tell you, that a snake bite is not a problem to deal with if you take a few simple steps.

With proper first aid you can be 4 hours away from help and survive.

Been there done that, it was a western Brown.
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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 23:31

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 23:31
Hi Oz Doc

Have to agree with 3GoBush on this one. The correct First Aid applied quickly and there would be no problem. Courses are inexpensive when compared with the saving of a life, and a good quality first aid kit again is not overly expensive.

We have a good variety of snakes around here, and have never lost anyone to a bite. Generally speaking, the RFDS come from DErby, which is up to 3 - 4 hours away for a response, so total limb bandaging, complete immobilisation of limb, keeping patient warm and still, and things will be okay.

There could always be an axception, but generally first aid in time and medical help, people survive. I find it hard that in a major city, with massive hospitals, the person actually died, someone had no idea what they were doing.

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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 23:45

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 23:45
I thought they referred to it as a Western Brown Snake, I'm not that familiar with WA snakes, is it just another name for a Tiger Snake?
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Follow Up By: Outa Bounds - Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 23:48

Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 at 23:48
Sorry should have read all the posts before hitting reply to the original!
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 02:53

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 02:53
no its another name for gwarder
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Reply By: cycadcenter - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:43

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:43
Australian Snake Bites

Here is a website I keep on my computer desktop for easy access.

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Follow Up By: Member - Matthew S (WA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:02

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:02
Very handy place to keep it when the snake is under the desk :)
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:57

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 00:57
Most reported deaths state no first aid was given (usually due to bite being undiagnosed).

It goes to show the importance of learning the Pressure Immobilisation Technique which can safe lives and gives many hours to get victim to hospital. Although we see more snakes (dugites) in our own back yard than we see on our travels, i always keep a few rolls of crepe bandage and pins to secure them in my back pack and in the car first aid kit.

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Reply By: ricochet - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 08:37

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 08:37
all snake bites should be treated as potentially dangerous. I am aware of a case where a small simoselaps (banded snake) which is normally very placid and not considered dangerous bit a person. it wasn't the venom that was a problem, he had a reaction and went into anaphalatic shock.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:08

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:08
You can never be sure when they will pop up , I was out using my electric jack hammer on tracks and as I'm hammering away I thought something looked strange about the power coord - unbelievably a tiger was in amongst the coils - and I thought they would be put off by noise but apparently some vibrations attract them. Always take the shotgun.


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Follow Up By: Mudripper - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:07

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:07
Yep, I always take the 12G with me when I go woodcutting.
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Reply By: get outmore - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 11:01

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 11:01
the snake had been killed and latest report says it was positivly id as a gwarder by experts

as one of the brown snake family they are collectivly australias deadliest snakes
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:48

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:48
Hi Getoutmore, my experience with gwardar evenomations is that they seem to have more of an anticoagulant effect(stops the blood from clotting ) than a paralysis effect. In dogs there is often an initiall very brief collapse followed by apparent recovery.(which can fool their owners into thinking everything is ok) Then a variable time later the patient will start to heamorrhage to death. So it gets back to my origional caution- if bitten by a snake, take it seriously even if you feel ok initially. Just thinking of those of us who may be camping at the moment and hoping everyone will take care. doc.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 00:55

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 00:55
juvinille snakes are a different kettle of fish also

an adult will typically try and get away and if further threatened will then give its threat display and will only bite id continually provoked


a juivinille however will repeatadly strike and strike usually with little am or intention but I guess if they connect
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:08

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:08
Saw the TV report on this last night, very sad story.
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Reply By: Member - Bentaxle - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:22

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:22
oz doc
the snake was mistakenly identified as a tiger, initially but was later identified as a western brown and they're a nasty kettle of fish. But to be bitten on the toe, you've got to be unlucky.\
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Reply By: Member - Brian R (WA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 23:26

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 23:26
Hi Guys
a very sad state of affairs....but I would really like to push ....Learn a little FIRST AID...if you are 1/2 hour out of town and you don't do the right thing in the case of such things as snake bite you might as well be 1/2 a day away.
come on guys ...GIVE IT SERIOUS THOUGHT
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