Plan to change name of Simpson Desert National Park

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 08:19
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Came across this on the ABC yesterday - have a look here

Will it catch on? I dont hear many people talking about crossing Witjira NP?

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Reply By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:45

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:45
Hmmmmmm ?

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Reply By: roberttbruce - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:57

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:57
imoh, "Munga-Thirri", sounds a darn sight better than "simpson"
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Reply By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:16

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:16
I fear that in time political correctness will force the removal of any and all references to anything achieved or named since white settlement.

Far fetched...........so how about a name change for Melbourne? But why stop there why not change the name "Australia". No big deal plenty of other countries have changed their name.

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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:48

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:48
"White settlement". Don't you mean "Invasion".
Dave.
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:57

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:57
By using the term invasion you imply that it is a totally bad thing. Every country and bit of land on this earth has been invaded, it's how human existance has evolved.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:52

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:52
Hi David
I personally take offence to that term. I suggest that you do some serious homework, you have a lot to learn about both white and black politics.

What about "Black Invasion".... yes I have many Aboriginal friends and they can relate to there home lands being invaded by rival aboriginal tribes and the rival group now claiming their lands as theirs. To this very day (well over 100 years since the tribal war happened) he hates with bitter passion the rival group and Bobby told me that his people will get their land back, one day.

Also if you are South Australian, can you remember the trouble up at Marree a number of years ago when there were big troubles with rival Aboriginal groups, each claiming certain land boundaries as their own. Their was a least on death and they had to sent the STAR Force up from Adelaide.

I know my facts, so I do not have to duck for cover.

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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 15:07

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 15:07
Don't have to send for you do we Stephen,ya like the tide.
By the way. I spent a fair amount of time around Clare /Burra/ Pt Aug etc locating the cairns that seperated the different tribes around the area so a lot of my homework was done a long time ago.
Cheers,Dave.

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Follow Up By: Lifetime member - OB - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:13

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:13
Crikey Stephen lighten up, David's comment was obviously "tongue in cheek".
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:33

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:33
Ahhh the South Australian humour....they will always be half an hour behind Vic...LOL,. Gosh, us Victorians are use to name changes just reflect on the name changes the DSE went through....still...they do a great service for the state & I don't believe that organisation should be refered to as the Dept of Scorched Earth....it aint proper!!!
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 23:26

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 23:26
I have to agree with you stephenl, i often think the same with the tribes attacking each other, we have only done what they did.
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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 13:34

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 13:34
Hi Stephen,
Yes, I have to agree with you.
The only difference is that we, a generation who had nothing to do with what happened are giving the Aboriginals their land back.
Tell me if anybody else has done that, not only that but we're also helping them with lots of other things.
You had tribal wars in Aust. way before many of our relatives were cruelly sent out here. Manyyoung girls and woman for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their families.
In the name of" to help colonize" the new Colony.This history should be taught in all secondary schools along with what was done to the Aboriginals. The same people did both the Aboriginal s and some whites very wrong.
Some deserved it , some didn't.
Ah! Land!!!!!!
Then there's the Gaza Strip, North & South Korea. So many deaths & money wasted over Land. Nothing given back there. They can't even reach a compromise!!!!!
As far as the name goes, It doesn't worry us. What does worry us is that this may lead to us not being allowed to enter Aboriginal land which requires a permit which can be easily obtained but suddenly where you can & cannot go changes when you get there.
We don't make the Aboriginals get permits in places were we don't need permits.
Take care, safe travels. Bye, Ma.
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Follow Up By: cruiserdude - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 23:00

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 23:00
Over thousands of years many different Aboriginal tribes moved about the country and took land from it's previous occupants, many of the Aboriginal people look almost "Indian" in features while others are more "islander" in appearance, some tall and some very short and I think most if not all the pygmy tribe are extinct.
They didn't own the land but it owns them, and hen the white man came along took it with better precision claiming it as "Property with ownership" .
One day the white man will lose it to someone with bigger guns, Japan tried in WW2 and fortunately failed, just imagine how many Aboriginal people would be left now, the result would make the last 200 years seem like nothing.


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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Saturday, Dec 04, 2010 at 14:53

Saturday, Dec 04, 2010 at 14:53
Hi cruiserdude,
You can take off your flack jacket with me. No offence taken. We agree with you.
I think that the Head hunters from around the C.S.R. area are also gone now too.
That area of the Canning gave Hubby & I the heeby jeebies and he usually laughs at my heeby jeebies.
It's hard to say what would've happened to the Aboriginals had they taken over Australia. I'd think, all dead or slaves as with some wars.
Unfortunately, the 3rd world war is going to destroy the very land they're fighting over. It isn't going to be bigger guns, it's going to be nuclear I think.
There's a Movie which was Australian made several yrs. ago called "On the Beach".
It's a thought of what could happen if a third world war should arise. Well worth a watch.
Take care, safe travels.
Bye Ma.
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Reply By: Lifetime member - OB - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:42

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:42
Wont make any difference what they call it.
The vast majority of Australians still call Ayers Rock just that.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:36

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:36
What? Ayers Rock has another name. When did that happen? *jks*
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:30

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:30
Where's Ayer's Rock? Anywhere near Uluru?
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 18:08

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 18:08
Just down the road from The Olgas.
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Follow Up By: tony&bron - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 18:56

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 18:56
a rose by anyother name will still smell the same tony
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:58

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 10:58
Witjira NP ? - never heard of it John , but I'm told you pass buy some signs reffering to it while driving thru the Simpson on way to Ayers rock.

Some just aren't content with living in a democracy and letting public opinion rule.

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:38

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:38
Robin, Purni Bore, Dalhousie and Mt Dare are all within Witjira NP

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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:55

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:55
hi john and val
so simpson and his donkeys/horses are about to be black listed

simpson may have named it for the white man but the aboriginals had already lived there prior to that event as we all well know so be it

it will always be the simpson desert to me they can call it what they like
i'm not bothered by all this political correctness

the only thing that may happen down the track is that there may be a transition period for these new names
where they are at present displaying the old and new names on separate signs

and then without warning the authorities will suddenly remove the white mans names or will there be additional signs for people from other countries who also travel around
how many signs do we need??????
there are already far too many roadside signs that distract drivers
and leave us all struggling with the new tongue twister names to further

confuse the already confused retirees traveling this great country
this aboriginal name changing is reaching epidemic plague proportions of late
it's still the same country and we'll all still be living in it so what the !!!!
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:08

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:08
Hi Mazcan

You might be confusing your Simpson’s??

The Simpson Desert was named after Allen Simpson, who was President of the Royal Geographical Society in South Australia, by Cecil Madigan in 1939.

Allen Simpson was a philanthropist who helped fund Madigan’s trip.

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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:48

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:48
hi landy
oh so serious ! no
i'm not confused and not offended by your correction

just using a bit of my warped sense of humour that went right over your head lol
yes i was aware of who the simpsom desert was named after but you have probably cleared up any confusion i might have caused others
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Follow Up By: roberttbruce - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:58

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:58
DOHHHh, and here i was thinking it had been named after Homer...lol..
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 15:31

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 15:31
I've been an avid fan of Cecil Madigan ever since I read an account of his trek...... Let's all drink a Duff Beer to him! Cecil that is, not Homer (although I am a closet Homer Simpson fan!)

and I'm kinda with many others on this.......once The Simpson, always the Simpson I suspect!

Cheers, The Landy
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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:44

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 16:44
I came across this sign on the road to the Henbury Craters - Where are we heading???Image Could Not Be Found
teege
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 18:12

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 18:12
No where Teege, as the English phrase clearly states "Stay alert, Take a rest." It's just a rest reminder.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:44

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:44
They are of course referring to the Qld National Pk, not the geographical Simpson Desert.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael John T (VIC) - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 00:23

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 00:23
Exactly right Bazooka, I think too many of us have too little to do if we are worried by this. Still it makes good reading and it got me in.

The original post has now made all aware of the pending ?? change.
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Reply By: Ray - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 13:17

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 13:17
I come from a country where we were invaded but we still keep a lot of the Roman names. This country has been occupied since Captain Cook arrived and now the local inhabitants must accept this just as we accepted it. It did not do us any harm in fact it did us a lot of good and brought us civilization.
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Reply By: ob - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:19

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:19
Karijini National Park was called Hamersley Range National Park in the Pilbara area of WA. Now just about everyone refers to it as Karijini. Sounds ok to me.
As far as Ayres Rock or Uluru goes, personally I like the sound of Uluru but to each his own. What was it that old Willie the spear shaker said about a rose and it's smell?...........lol

ob
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:49

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 14:49
It was a poorly named desert.

Cecil Madigan re-named it in 1929 after Allen Simpson who was the President of the SA Branch of the Royal Geographical Society of Australasia. Allen Simpson did a lot of good things in his lifetime, but did he do anything significant to warrant naming this desert after him - my research says no. He did go to the same school as Madigan.

Prior to 1929, it was loosely called the Arunta desert.

Probably time for a name change.
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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:48

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 20:48
What school was that Phil?

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 22:07

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 22:07
Gday Allan,
Prince Alfred College - but Simpson was 15 years older than Madigan.

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 19:41

Thursday, Dec 02, 2010 at 19:41
The new name for Pitt St in Sydney is Pittinjara St, Its coming just wait!! :) Michael
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 08:20

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 08:20
Geez Fellas & Sheillas

We are all Visitors to this place called Australia, ok a lot of us are Born hear and a lot have come from other countries, to live hear, some go back to where they have come from, and when the rest of us depart, either turn into Ash or Dust, so who gives a hoot what they call different locations in this country, as long as you know where you are going and when you have arrived there lol lol lol.

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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 08:24

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 08:24
PS. Also forgot to mention, as long as you Enjoy Your Selves Getting There.
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Reply By: bluefly - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 18:48

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 18:48
Why don't we call it tourist ally!

LOL

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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 23:09

Friday, Dec 03, 2010 at 23:09
Boodjamulla National Park formerly known as Lawn Hill National Park. I never knew that until I read it in one of Mr 4x4's articles.
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Reply By: Members Pa & Ma. - Saturday, Dec 04, 2010 at 15:04

Saturday, Dec 04, 2010 at 15:04
Hi John and Val,
To us it's just 2 different languages. Australian and Aboriginal. Like with Polish & English.
Take care, safe travels.
Bye Ma.
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