Hay River track

Can anybody give me any info on the Hay River track
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 18:32

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 18:32
Have a look here in treks (see the button in the blue bar at the top of the page.

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Reply By: RobAck - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 19:05

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 19:05
Firstly you need a permit to travel through Lindsey Bookie's traditional land, then you need a Desert Parks Pass to travel through the Simpson Desert if you exit South

After that you definitely need a GPS as there is no track for at least a day in some rather sparse dune country past Lake Caroline

I also suggest you do not travel alone

Apart from that give Jol Flemming at Direct 4WD in Alice Springs a call as he is a go to person regarding the Hay

Apart from that it's a wonderful journey but your last fuel is Jervois Station on the Plenty Highway and then either Birdsville, Mt Dare or Mungarannie

As you still cannot exit to the Birdsville Track via the Warburton Crossing you will need to be very well prepared in case Eyre Creek is still shut. At that point you have to either head back North or go West to Dalhousie and Mt Dare

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:27

Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:27
With that in mind we left from Birdsville to eliminate a possible turn back near the end of a trip.
Considering Madigan line this year and probably should do the same for it.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 21:39

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 21:39
Hi Richard

From every Simpson Track that we have covered, this have be the best Simpson Track to drive for many varied reasons. We first made the trip in 2005 when that track had seen less than 200 vehicles ever travel the track. Now the track sees hundred of visitors every year, so the word has spread.

Permits??
This will depend on which way you travel and will be as little as only one if heading from Birdsville and then up the Hay River Track. You will only need a Desert Parks Pass if coming in from Dalhousie. If you want to go to Poeppel Corner first from Birdsville, come into the Corner the back way and you will not be travelling in SA and will not need the Desert Parks Pass.

GPS Navigation??
Like I have said above, the Track now sees many hundreds of travellers every year and the tracks are very well defined. There may be only a couple of places where waypoints will make your travel a little easier. From Poeppel Corner you head due north up the K1 Line as far as Beachcomber No 1 Abandoned Oil Well site. This section can have wash a ways in it, but again with careful driving in dry conditions will pose no problems what so ever.

From Beachcomber, you head in a north east direction towards the turn off to the Hay River Proper. Again this old shot line is easy and well defined. From the turn off there will again be defined tracks in the hard packed ground, but in the dune country, tracks can be blown over and the waypoints to the bottom of the actual Hay River can be handy. Once you have reached the Hay River, the track is very easy top follow and in dry times, you will not need four wheel drive.

There are many great things to stop at along the way, so do not rush the trip and you will have a great time. The track out to Lake Caroline will follow the actual Hay River bed for a short while, so again here a waypoint or two will keep you on track. While you are passing, the drive is well worth it. Don't waste your time driving up the Hay River after doing the trip out to Lake Caroline. The sand is very soft and suck the power out of your vehicle. Before we got to Batton Hill, one group had driven all the way from the Lake Caroline Turn off to Batton Hill up the Hay River, and Lindsay was not very happy.

Batton Hill.
When you arrive at Batton Hill, Lindsay will know you are coming and will have the kettle on the stove for you. His camp ground was immaculate and a credit to him and the donkey showers are great.

Bush Tucker Tour??
This is a very debatable topic. When we did it there was no bush tucker in season. Lindsay would tell you what was available in season and where it is. The cost is high to do this tour, $80 per person when we did it. For the bush tucker part of the trip it was a waste of money, but it was worth it for the extra country that you get to see.

Make sure that you do the Goyders Pillar Sunset tour, this was well worth it, even if it was not on Lindsay's land.

Have a great trip and here a some picture of what you can expect.


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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:00

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:00
Hi Stephen,
Great informative pictures...

Are there any rockholes in the Simpson? There can't be many, never hear of them.

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:15

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:15
Hi Alan,

When we were there in 06 and again in 07 the river and Lake Caroline were dry although the river had been in flood in early 06. Lindsay showed us how to find water by digging on the upstream side of a gum tree in the riverbed. The river is a green corridor through the sandhills, so I would think that's were the water would be collected.

Spent some time in 07 as part of a big survey group camped out among the rocky areas around Mt Tietkens that you pass though on the bush tucker tour but no rockholes were found. Tried to get to Mt Barrington but thats another story - the blog is yet to come.

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Val
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:29

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:29
Hi Val,

Lindsay sounds like an interesting fellow. I'd like to have skills like that.
It looks and sounds like nice "soothing" country. Look forward to your blog.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:29

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:29
Hi Alan
Sorry but there are no rock holes in the Simpson. There are however 18 recorded native wells. The little know South Australian Explorer. David Lindsay in February 1886 nearly made the first complete Simpson Crossing and visited 9 wells.

All wells were very dug at an angle through the sand to reach the water level. The easiest remains of a well can be found at the former well site of Kilpatha. Disregarding Aboriginal history, Oil crews bulldozed the well in the hope of obtaining a good reliable water supply for they desert work, but the well yielded very little well and was destroyed. Mother nature has almost reclaimed the Aboriginal Burial sites, with the bone fragment now paper thin and broken down to pieces the size of a pea.

Those with an eye on Aboriginal culture can however find these sites, complete with grinding stones. I made the biggest mistake years ago of telling someone where this site was. When a friend visited the site a couple of years later, the grinding stones had been removed.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:37

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:37
Hi Val

Very few people will be aware of this, but all tracks in that area were put in by my good friend, who you would have met when you were out on the field work, Ken Williamson. One track that Ken was doing was a circuit out to Mt Knuckey and back in a very big loop to Batton Hill.

The times that I have been speaking with Ken, I never asked it that track ever got off of the ground. I will have to ask his when we next speak.


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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:42

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 22:42
Thanks for that Stephen,
18 wells hey? I bet there's more than that haven't been found; I guess most will have been delivered to antiquity and will never be found.

That's very interesting about no rockholes, there's obviously a fair bit of rock around however must not be suited to the formation of them. Would hate to get stuck out there without any water in the dry, I hate digging :)

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 23:05

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 23:05
Hi Alan

The Simpson in general is 100% sand and it is not to you get to the northern sections, like around Batton Hill which is on the far northern perimeters of the Simpson that you find that hill type country. The only true hill in the Simpson with stone on it is Geosurvey Hill, which is more like limestone. We did find on our Geo trip one very small stone covered small mound. It looked just like a gravel pit, with lots of crushed stone on a very stone Dune. What it was from and what caused it will remain a mystery, as it was in the complete remote section of the desert.

There is a lot of Aboriginal history out there and on nearly every small clay pan away from the tourist travelled track, there is a lot of evidence of previous Aboriginal occupation. When we made camp one night, just on dusk, a small flock of swallows were in the area. we searched for a native well and could find nothing. Seeing we were in a very remote section of the Simpson, I reported the area to National Parks in the NT in the hope they would send a team out to hopefully find yet another native soak.

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:01

Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:01
Hi Stephen,

Yes Ken was a part of that expedition and we spent one very memorable day with him trying (unsuccessfully as it turned out) to find a new track to Mt Barrington. He did tell us about putting in the tracks and explaining why they jink about, but he gave Lindsay the credit. Ken is a delightful fellow with amazing knowledge of that area.

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Val
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Follow Up By: Dasher Des - Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 16:38

Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 16:38
G'day Stephen,
We're planning on doing the Hay River Track as part of a trip in August Sept this year.
I'll catch up with you on the other part of the trip soon by email.
We are planning to come up from the botton and my question is, Do we need a full permit for an overnight stay in the Simpson as we are only passing through.Catch up soon
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Reply By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 23:42

Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 at 23:42
go for it ,
its a very good run down ,zig zagging along the dry river course quite a few dunes
but easy travelling go out to Lake Caroline ,you will need to get a permit to enter Batton Hill , a rip off but ??? $125 per vehicle , plus camping .
when we were there in August ,the indiginous person looking after the place . couldn,t even read the permit paperwork , its a nice place to camp .
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Reply By: andoland - Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:54

Friday, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:54
I would recommend purchasing the Hay River CD ROM (no affiliation to this shop, it was just the first one that came up on google)

Hay River CD ROM
It has maps for Oziexplorer and paper verions of the same maps that you can print out. It has information on each of the points of interest marked on the map and a bunch of history about the area. We found it extremely useful when we did this track in 2009.
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