Great Wall (Sales) Solid, But Territory a bit Sad ???

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I was surprised to read that the much maligned Great Wall sold 10,000 units in their first 12 months in Oz. Outsold Colorado & Dmax in the last qtr. 50% higher
than expectations. The first update will include a better looking nose job & another grand off the single cab jobbies. Not bad for a car no one would buy.
On a sadder note I was alarmed to read a review of the much awaited Territory
Diesel. The poor tester was most perplexed to be rounded up by everything on the road at everything that resembled an incline, & nothing to do about it...a real
slug says he. But the love affair ended when ,after deciding to rest in
Gillards Gulch overnight, he limped into Canberra with 20km left on the fuel
computer & all lights flashing. Make Sydney easy on a tank the bloke told him in
Melbourne. Forget it ,he concludes..wait till they fit a real engine. Hmmmm.
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Reply By: Mark S (cns) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:38

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:38
Old Baz
These might turn out to be a better second hand buy than the trusty jack down the track!!!

Just need a bit more under the bonnet, although with a 2.0td around the corner, they will start selling & going even better I reckon (assuming the td is a motor 'made under licence' as opposed to a chinese original) Pretty sure the current petrol 2.4 is mitsi 'made under licence' arrangement.
10,000 units, wonder if that's the wagon (X240) & ute (V240) or just the ute?

Territory has the 2.7 v6 oiler as per LR disco.....

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:49

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:49
You may be right, but I suspect my jack will see me out. I think the figures refer to total sales of the single & dualcab utes. I dont recall reading of power or fuel
issues with the diesel disco...maybe a gearing issue....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 20:28

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 20:28
With some petrol jacks still going strong on the orinigal motor at 400000ks I doubt it. The 2.7 is supposed to be a great motor. If we get one through work I will report back. Quite often new diesels are a bit doughy , or this one may have been a dud.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Richard L (VIC) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:05

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:05
Hi Oldbaz

We spent Saturday at the car yards looking at 4WD to replace our current clapped out ford. We have a small problem as I am 2 metres tall and our children are well on the way!
We looked at Pajero, Pathfinder, Navara, Colorado, Prado and Land Cruiser.
The best option seemed to be the Navara although I can't convince my wife to have a ute as Her run around. Next best was a 3 year old Pajero, we could not fit into the Pathfinder and I nearly collapsed at the prices of the Toyota's! Not that there was any in stock anyway.
Still not sure which way to go but at least we have made a start


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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:12

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:12
My sympathies are with you, Richard. I dont suppose you would look at a Jackaroo ?. Good headroom..I can wear my Akubra while driving, but I'm not
2m. Extinct in 2003 I'm afraid, but still the best value used wagon around, if you can find the right one. & yes I am biased. Not much amiss with a Paj either.
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve & Cecily W (QLD - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:24

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:24
G'day Richard, a bit surprised the Navara fitted but thePathy didn't; I thought they were the same thing except for the ute rear with drum brakes and leaf springs? I'm only 187 cm but don't have the seat anyway near all the way back.
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Follow Up By: WildwestWilli - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:17

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:17
I'm the opposite Richard. 150cms tall (or short if you prefer) and also looking at a towing vehicle. Because I have a dodgy left knee I can't elegantly get into the Challenger or Triton which are our preferred choice. They both have a step but it's only about 10cms wide and neither use nor ornament to me.

My daughter wants me to have a step to drop down on a rope and then pull it up - not a nice sight when I'm trying to hop in and out of the vehicle.

After all is said and done, 'I am a lady' and no, I don't have a moustache.

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 20:32

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 20:32
Problem is Baz I am only 5feet 10 and have the seat all the way back in our jacks. But apparantly the seat can be moved further back somehow.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Richard L (VIC) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:12

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:12
Hi Guys

We sat in the 7 seater perhaps there is a 5 seat model? Havn't done too much research yet just visited the three or four showrooms which happened to be in the same street

Maybe we can mount the brake controller somewhere different, in our present car [escape] it is mounted just between my Kneecap and my shin!

A friend of ours has a Jackaroo he swears by it, but Elaine wants a few more creature comforts while driving the kids to school.

Hopefully we can find something before July when I have taken a couple of weeks off

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:20

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:20
The only creature comforts the SE lacks is a lumbar adjustment. Have yet to come accross any other 4bys that have heated seats and mirrors. The back seat is also the most comfy of any 4bys we have owned. I am talking about the last series. The early ones where spartan, but the later ones had more do dads then cruisers eg captains chair, heated mirrors cruise, auto p/s velour with leather in Monterays. The mirrors can also be folded in electronically for narrow gates etc.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: carlsp - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 05:14

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 05:14
Hi Richard,

Our run around car has become a F250 since I bought an Iveco. She is always complaining about men trying to pick her up in car parks. Seems women driving utes are more attractive than women driving sports cars. This might be an arguement for for getting the Navara but it can be double edged.
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Follow Up By: River Swaggie - Thursday, Apr 21, 2011 at 23:58

Thursday, Apr 21, 2011 at 23:58
"We have a small problem as I am 2 metres tall"

That aint a small problem,Nothing wrong with being called Big Dick......
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Reply By: Axle - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:52

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:52
Just goes to showOldBaz,.....Money talks!!.LOL.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:09

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 21:09
Oldbaz, it depends which test you read. I read a really good one on the Territory two weeks ago. The tester took it to the Northern Territory from Melbourne and had great fuel economy at up to 110kph, but it dropped a little with the open road 130kph. 1100 kms a tank didn't seem too hard.

I thought it a good write up in Drive

To quote "At 130km/h, I'm overtaking other cars, not being overtaken. It seems the days of faster cruising in the Northern Territory are long gone." Worst fuel for the journey at 10.4 litres per 100kms. The best at 7.0 litres 100kms
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:24

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:24
Observed a "Great Wall" Ute next to me for a while on a bitumen road in the city.
The back of the tub was vibrating like it was on corrugations.

I don't think they would last long enough to be a good second hand car buy.


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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:50

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:50
Maybe the cab is rubber mounted & moving like the Prado, it is quite disconcerting when you first fit a bull bar to a Prado & see it appear to be wobbling loose, when, in fact it is the body moving on it's mounts.
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Reply By: Capt. Wrongway - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:05

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:05
The second model would need to be much better than the first one! A mate of mine bought one as a cheap work truck for his plumbing business. He says that they must be held together with glue, but not good glue, as everything seems to either have fallen off or be in the process. Air vents falling out, door trims coming loose, glass in drivers side mirror falling out, tray vibration...... the list goes on. They may be at lot less expensive than other brands, but they need to get a lot better than they currently are.
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Reply By: Road Warrior - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:33

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:33
That pretty much flies in the face of every other review of the new TDCi Territory conducted by credible industry scribes...who wrote the review you read? Sounds like the Carsguide one. Here are some others that paint quite a different picture...

GoAuto Territory review

CarPoint Territory review

Car Advice Territory review

Even serial Ford haters Fairfax News lauded it:

Drive Territory review

I suspect a few people have driven the car and expected the new diesel to perform like the straight 6, but they need to be driven differently.
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