Road Safety - Trucks and you

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Passing this information on from another forum, for all those who are interested in road safety.....

Cheers,
Pete
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National Sharing the Road with Heavy Vehicles Program
These Top Ten tips on sharing the road with heavy vehicles aim to improve your safety as well as our life on the road.

The Australian Trucking Association will continue to pursue improvements in road safety for all road users and welcome comments or inquires - if this Top Ten can help in other road safety projects. If you allow for the size and weight of large trucks and remember they deliver the goods you use (there is nothing that doesn't travel on a truck at sometime) then sharing the road is a benefit to all. Australia's truck drivers wish you safe holiday seasons on the road.

Truckie's Survey Response
These are the TOP TEN as provided by truck driver’s responses in a survey to nominate the issues that can improve road safety for all by SAFELY SHARING THE ROAD WITH TRUCKS. The hope is to promote one item per month throughout the year in all States leading towards a safer time on the road for all.

(1) CUTTING IN FRONT OF TRUCKS AT TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND ON THE HIGHWAY

Cutting in front of trucks approaching traffic lights reduces the safety margin allowed by the truck driver to give ample room to stop and/or to possibly still be moving when the lights change. If you fill this space you risk being hit from behind. A loaded B-double can weigh up to 50 times that of your average car and it is not physically possible to stop instantly. People do not seem to be aware of the energy required to move up to 64 tonnes of B-double off from a standing start and conversely the energy and distance required to stop one.I have even had the experience of a car overtaking me whilst approaching a red light, only to change from the otherwise empty right lane into the left lane for no other apparent reason than to make me pull up behind them. Drivers of all large vehicles try to utilise the rolling momentum of the vehicle as much as possible by flowing with the traffic and holding back at lights to be still moving when the lights change to green. However, car drivers continually fill this space only to make the truck come to a complete stop and then have to start off from a standstill. You will not save any time on your trip if hit from behind by a truck because you filled the space allowed to slow the truck, rather than come to an abrupt halt centimetres off your bumper and all traffic behind the truck then suffers as well. On the highway many drivers seem to have to get in front of the truck. They pull out in front of a truck travelling at highway speed and put themselves and their passengers at risk of being hit to save perhaps a few seconds. Worst of all is when they then only travel a few hundred metres and as the truck is just starting to pick up speed again, they signal to turn off. Surely it is safer to wait and pull out into a larger safer space, as forcing the truck to brake heavily not only inconveniences the truck driver, but also the traffic following behind. As a pedestrian you would not step out in front of a bus and hope it will stop, so why take a similar risk in front of a truck.
These practices only increase transport costs by higher wear and cost of brake components and increased fuel costs to get the vehicle moving again. One instance will not change the transport cost but this happens across Australia hundreds of times a day. These costs are in turn passed on in higher freight charges. Transport costs in Australia are very low considering the distance involved and the amount of tax, particularly on fuel, the industry pays. The transport industry is running at World's Best Practice and if our roads could be further improved, all road users would benefit from safer travel and a lower road toll, (something we would all like to see). So please, think before you fill the space in front of a truck at lights or on the highway and give the truck driver room to slow safely. Remember, you are only protecting yourself and your passengers.

(2) OVERTAKING (OR UNDERTAKING) TRUCKS WHEN TURNING

The "DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE" sign fitted to the rear of vehicles over 7.5 metres in length allows these vehicles to legally turn from the second or third lane from the curb if needed to get around a corner. With indicators flashing, drivers still come up underneath a truck or trailer about to turn. Many are obviously unaware of the large blind spot to the left and rear of the truck cab. You may have seen stickers on some trucks:

"IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE TRUCK DRIVER, HE CAN'T SEE YOU".

This is well worth remembering. So if you come up behind a truck with indicators flashing to signal to turn, wait back and allow the driver plenty of room. You are helping him and yourself by not filling this space and putting you and/or your vehicle at risk.

(3) CARS INCREASING SPEED WHEN A TRUCK ATTEMPTS TO OVERTAKE

This happens in two situations. Firstly, on 2 lane highways where a truck has caught up to a car and then moves out to overtake, the car sometimes inadvertently increases speed, lessening the space available and increasing the distance and risk involved. Secondly, where a truck may have followed a car travelling at 85 - 95 km/hr waiting for a safe place to pass only to reach the passing lane and the car accelerates to 100 km/hr only to slow to its original speed when back in one lane.

Rather than frustrating the truck driver, particularly on flat terrain where he can maintain the legal speed limit, consider allowing him to pass safely and be on his way. You don't want him to be continually behind you and he doesn't want to be seen to be tailgating. Also, in some instances such as when traffic queues up behind slower traffic, other drivers will take risks in overtaking. By sharing the road and considering others you improve your own safety and that of other road users.

A heavy vehicle, due to its slower acceleration and speed limiting restriction, has far fewer overtaking opportunities than the average car. In the past, many truck drivers would move over on steep hills and flash you past with the right indicator, but now this has been deemed illegal and even flashing a left indicator to say it is not safe to pass could be frowned upon. However, where any driver assists you, a simple wave of thanks goes a long way.

(4) ROAD SPEED. This covers the hazards of:

[4.1] Slow moving tractors on country roads, with no rear vision mirrors, can't see and often can't hear the traffic approaching behind them.

[4.2] Large farm equipment in convoy on major highways only have a front pilot vehicle and few make any attempt to assist highway traffic by using CBs to improve safety and reduce risk and frustration.

[4.3] Traffic travelling below the speed limit - we offer a plea to them to consider all other traffic and, with trucks, please remember we can't just accelerate past like another car can.

[4.4] Slow moving trucks on hills - more passing lanes would help but some start too late and or finish too early and traffic is held up behind different size trucks passing others. All I can offer is that we are doing the best we can and a little bit of patience and a friendly wave is better than stressing out.

[4.5] Speed limiting in trucks - the engine does not provide power above 100 km/hr though downhill gravity will allow the vehicle to exceed 100 km/hr. In passing a car or another truck once you reach 100, there is no more acceleration. However, it does allow us to maintain a perfect 100 on flat ground where a car may drift from 95 to 105 and this can be why a truck seems to be continually catching up. All new trucks over 12 tonne are required to be speed limited. The transport industry is aware of the problem with a few speeding trucks. The new 3 strikes legislation, now valid in all states, provides authorities with the capacity to de-register a truck fined for exceeding 115 km/hr 3 times, no matter who was driving the vehicle, the owner or anyone else.

[5] ROAD COURTESY

A simple concept, but along with driver education and awareness of sharing the roads all increasing your own safety, things which are often not given enough consideration. Many people are in a hurry for whatever reason, be it important or otherwise and the speed of life has changed, as have the vehicles we drive. A driver’s attitude can be the biggest danger, to themselves and others. As professional drivers we see many near misses and acts of impatience everyday on the road and like you we are not perfect, we are human, but our aim is to eventually get home safely to our families, most likely yours as well. People often risk their lives and that of their passengers/families to pass a truck or get in front of one to save a few minutes, if that. Is it really worth it? Often it's a large risk for a small gain. Cars chances to pass a truck occur a lot more often than trucks chances to pass a car.

The aim of this program is to save lives by offering car drivers another view. Truck drivers drive cars but not all car drivers drive trucks and with Australian Transport Safety Bureau figures showing that 70% of fatal accidents involving articulated vehicles (semi trailers) are no fault of the truck driver and another 15% the truck driver is only partly to blame. That makes 85% the fault of the other party. This only confirms that better understanding of sharing the road with trucks is needed.

The old practice of flashing cars past has been made illegal. It was only courtesy. Perhaps it should have been part of road law teaching, rather than part of road lore. Lastly, if more people considered others on the road for just a second and/or offered a wave of thanks when someone does the right thing it might lead to less waving of fingers or fists. Road rage is mostly brought on by attitude, whether it's one driver or both. This sharing the road program is aimed at lessening accidents and improving safety for all.

[6] CARS OVERTAKING TRUCKS THEN SLOWING AND ROAD POSITIONING

Often a car will pass a truck at or near the crest of a hill and perhaps not realise how quickly the truck will reach legal road speed down the other side. Having passed while the truck is yet to pick up full speed some drivers pull directly in front of the truck having only considered the speed the truck was travelling at. This only causes the truck to brake heavily or to try and change lanes. Trucks are hard enough to stop, let alone when going downhill and having someone pull right in front of them. Please leave plenty of room before you pull back in front and if you are travelling below the speed limit it may be worth considering staying behind the truck and having it move away in front of you once over the hill.

ROAD POSITIONING: Slowly many of our major roads are being widened to a safer width allowing traffic a gap between opposing vehicles without being right on the edge of the roadway. Many drivers either being used to narrow city traffic lanes or narrow highways travel very close to the centre line. With trucks greater width this is often necessary but with cars you then lose the benefit and safety margin on wider roads, and if you then tow a caravan or trailer these often ride on or cross the centre line where you may hit oncoming traffic or be fined. This can be very dangerous at night if your trailer does not have reflectors or lights fitted to the extremities and the width is not allowed for.

In the event of having to pull off the road for a flat or a breakdown or even by Police request, where possible move well off the roadway. Police always park further out than a vehicle they have pulled over to give the Police officer a safety corridor in front of their car, whilst beside yours. Some people park or leave their vehicle only centimetres past the fog line (the unbroken line on the left hand edge of the roadway) believing this is safe enough, but they don't consider that trucks use all of the lane width up to this line and this practice leaves no room for error. It's an even bigger hazard at night or in the rain.

Lastly, if pulling up on the roadside for any reason at night, park well off and make sure your headlights are dipped or off. Blinding oncoming traffic may mean they cannot see your hazard lights or you waving for help until the last second and could even cause an accident. Breakdown reflective triangles as you may see used by trucks could be a worthwhile investment, and may save damage to you or your car should it be in a hazardous position or have no battery power.

[7] LIGHTS

High beam glare contributes to fatigue during night driving. When you see the lights of an oncoming vehicle dip or you are flashed before reaching a crest or curve, dip your lights. By waiting until you see the vehicle before you dip your lights, you are momentarily blinding the oncoming driver. With a closing speed of 200 kph and only a twenty centimetre white centre line between oncoming traffic blinding the other driver is not very clever. On divided highways, refusing to dip because of intermittent shrubbery in the middle can be at least inconsiderate or at worst dangerous to other road users. High beam through a gap in the divider, particularly on curves can be worse than over a crest as you are often not expecting it.

If coming up behind a truck, dip early rather than when right up behind it, as trucks mirrors can be 15 times larger and don't have an anti-glare position. When you move to overtake, one quick flash is a good idea but don't move to high beam until past the trucks mirrors.

Some people now drive around with "fog" lights on all the time. They can be beneficial in fog but not only is it illegal to have them on at any other time, they can be a hazard particularly if not correctly aimed. Also, on billiard table smooth roads the sharp cut off of fog lights would not be continually like flashing high beam as you hit each bump as it is on many of our roads. Also, rear fog lights can make it impossible to see brake lights in use in the rain. In using fog lights in normal conditions you can be creating a hazard rather than a benefit.

Travelling with your headlights on in the daytime or at least turning them on early in bad weather or when traffic approaching is driving into the sun, can only increase your own safety, but please make sure they are on low beam. If going on a long trip, check your headlight adjustment with the extra load or trailer in mind and always carry spare bulbs and check and clean your lights regularly.

[8] CARAVANS

This survey has received good response from Dubbo caravan parks and was published in Caravan World magazine in June 2000 (and again in February 2002) resulting in many replies then and since, and a request to contribute a column to improve the truckie/caravaner relationship on the road.

I drive a two trailer, 25-metre B-double fuel tanker and am seeking comment from vanners on sharing the road with trucks. In my experience the most difficult situation is with a truck catching up behind a van and the van driver, believing he is doing the right thing, unnecessarily slows and moves to the left. By slowing before the truck has pulled out to overtake the van forces the truck to slow, losing its momentum and road speed, which it then has to recover before overtaking. Though moving left can reduce wind buffeting for the van, with a rough or broken edge it can make controlling the van more difficult and can throw up stones from this normally unused section of road. The truck will always have to cross the centre line, so move left only when conditions warrant it. I would recommend maintaining your speed and position until the truck pulls out to overtake, and if you wish to assist, lift your foot gently off the accelerator, flash the truckie with your headlight flasher when its safe to move back in and then regain your travelling speed.K

“Caravan CB”, AM (CB) 18 and UHF 18 is now widely recognised and though unofficial (but within Australian Communication Authority Guidelines) with your van signed front and back, it provides on road communication between vanners and truckies when needed, and if used during overtaking, takes away the guess work of what each party is going to do. Caravan CB has been growing slowly now for over three years and will continue to be promoted through interested caravan clubs, parks and industry organizations and magazines along with, in the trucking industry. Truckies generally use channel 8 on AM and 40 on UHF. Emergency channels are 9 on AM and 5 on UHF (all for 40 channel sets).

The more who join in and participate in “Caravan CB”, the wider the benefits will be. Signs are available from a number of clubs or you can make your own.

FRONT – CB 18 and or UHF 18 as applicable. (Minimum 100 mm high letters).

REAR- CARAVAN CB

With the option of adding your name, eg Bill and Sue, to ensure you get the right van. I’m told this is a good icebreaker in caravan parks.

With caravan speeds often limited by towing vehicle manufacturers capacities and or ratings, it is worth considering the capabilities of your combination as a whole in choosing a safe road speed. My hope would be that secure, suitable mirrors and a proper towing hitch be included, along with putting your unit over a weighbridge to ensure correct weights and improved safety. A CB or UHF radio should prove a valuable addition. You might consider joining a caravan club to access the experiences of others or look to caravan magazines for information or even attending a caravan clinic to see you start off with some experience, rather than learn from scratch on the road, which has seen some learn very costly lessons.

[9]UNSAFE OVERTAKING

Too many drivers take large risks to save a few minutes on a long trip. I understand peoples frustration at slow trucks on hills and often the speed limit gap between cars at 110 and trucks at 100 means cars may pass quite a few trucks, but cars will have plenty of safe opportunities to pass, they can accelerate quickly, as opposed to the slower acceleration of larger trucks and often limited chances to pass slower traffic. The practice of trucks flashing the right hand indicator to help someone round is now illegal. Some truck drivers may still not be aware of this and it would seem many car drivers still expect it, judging by the number of people who seem to wait to be given a flash and having followed the truck along a two kilometre flat, straight and empty section of road will decide almost on the crest or corner that they must get past this truck. Every truck driver has experienced the same thing many times and the resulting near misses leave you shaking your head in disbelief.

A normal semi-trailer is 19 metres long and a vehicle showing a “Long Vehicle” sign (mostly B-Doubles) will be 25 metres long so you are attempting to pass 9-10 cars at once. Perhaps if that thought prompts you to have sufficient vision of clear road before attempting to pass it will be worth remembering.

For safe overtaking:

1. If you are right up behind the truck you have very little vision, stay back, allowing you to see better.

2. Be certain you can see enough clear road to pass safely.

3. Pass quickly but sensibly.

4. Don't pull back in until you see both truck headlights in your mirror allowing a safe space.

5. Maintain your speed, don't pass and then slow down. A quick flash of your headlights as you move out to overtake is often worthwhile day or night but at night don't move to high beam until past the trucks mirrors.

To take such a large risk of the lives of all in the car to save a few minutes.

PLEASE - if you can't see, DON'T PASS.

[10] ROUNDABOUTS

From the school survey done in Dubbo and from truck driver’s comments there are two problems. The first is the perception of some including many young drivers that the truck races them to the roundabout. What the truck driver is trying to do is join the traffic flow and still be moving on entering the roundabout. This of course isn't always possible, but when it can be achieved the benefit is to all vehicles. Remember trucks cannot accelerate like cars. Should the truck be forced to stop at the last second by a car trying to beat the truck to save themselves a few seconds, all traffic, particularly on smaller roundabouts can be delayed while the truckie having stopped abruptly, selects low gear and moves off. With a loaded B-Double at up to 64.5 tonnes gross this is done steadily and due to the length sometimes no other traffic can move until the truck is gone.

The second problem is linked to ITEM 2, the "DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE" signs. Again due to the size of many roundabouts and the length of semis and B-Doubles it is often impossible to travel through, let alone turn, without using more than one lane. If you stay back behind the truck and heed the signs you won't end up in a blind spot or get hit by the trailer as it travels through or turns.

These Top Ten tips on sharing the road with heavy vehicles aim to improve your safety as well as our life on the road. The Australian Trucking Association will continue to pursue improvements in road safety for all road users and welcomes comments or inquires if this Top Ten can help in other road safety projects. If you allow for the size and weight of large trucks and remember they deliver the goods you use (there is nothing that doesn't travel on a truck at sometime) then sharing the road is a benefit to all.

Respect Truck’s Size and Weight, Improve Road Safety for All

Australia's truck drivers wish you safe holiday seasons on the road.
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Reply By: Old Soldier - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 09:06

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 09:06
G'day Pete,

Good post - thanks for taking the time to do it.

We should ALL read and absorb it, and then go and PRACTICE the advice given.

It has been my experience that the great majority of truckies are good and responsible drivers, and we should do anything we can to help us all safely coexist on the roads together.

enjoy the bush

DennisN
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Reply By: PETER - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 11:23

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 11:23
What great advice, maybe the RACV could do a similar survey amongst car drivers and come up with the top 10 ways car drivers suggest of improving sharing the roads with trucks? Whilst travelling yesterday on the Geelong Freeway, 100KM/hr limit, a huge B- Double passed me doing 105-110KM/hr. Speed Limited???? Easily bi-passed no doubt. About one car length in front of this truck was a car, maybe adequate if you have the braking capacity of a Formula One race car, not a B-Double. Had the car been forced to brake for any reason there would have been fatalities, probobly not the truck driver either.
If truck drivers want other road users to follow their wish list of golden rules, maybe they could start driving more responsibly themselves.
regards,
Car Driver.
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 12:57

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 12:57
Excellent post Pete,
I agree with it all and can honestly say that i follow all the above when driving. Being a truckie myself, I see this happening all the time, as much as i apreciate the time and effort you put into posting it in this forum, I still believe its in the wrong place, just like most truckies, most 4wd'ers are very sensable so im assuming that most of us regulars in here already know how to conduct ourselves on road. But how and where could anyone find the perfect place to post that imformation so that the regular MR & Mrs driving can see and take the time to understand how important it is to follow these simple rules. Thats a much bigger problem in itself.
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Reply By: Dion - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 13:22

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 13:22
All new drivers for cars going for their license should have too ride as a passenger in a truck for one working day in a city environment and one working day on a regional run of a round trip of about 500km. This would give the new car driver an insight from the truckdrivers field of view of the constant silly things that car drivers do, because they don't appreciate what it takes to control a truck.
Also one on lights, which should have been included perhaps with tip number 7. When approaching a crest, and you see the amber "bullet" clearence cab lights before you see the trucks headlights, this is the time to dip your own lights. Reason being a truck drivers eyes are only about 30cm (1') underneath the clearence lights, as opposed to being 150-200cm (5' - 7') above the trucks head light. Therefore with a simple bit of triganometery [sic] you will see that you are exposing the truck drivers eyes to more of your high beam by not dipping as soon as you see the amber clearence lights as to waiting for the headlights.

Cheers,

Dion.
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Reply By: Barry B - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 13:25

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 13:25
It is a good post, but unfortunately there will always be idiots on the road that think they are the only person that matters...... AND they drive all different types of vehicles.
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Reply By: Mark - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 14:12

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 14:12
Hey, ExplorOz team, how about making a page for this information, it should not be allowed to get "lost" in the forum after time. This is some of THE most sensible advise about trucks/caravans/cars and their getting along together that I have read as it is unbiased and factual.

Cheers

Mark
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Follow Up By: Michelle from ExplorOz - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:09

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:09
As I've told everyone before - if you have something to say to us directly pls email us, we don't read every part of every post - but I did just happen to read this as we currently have a snippet of this on an existing page and so I was reading to see if I could add more to it.

Yes I will update the page with some excerpts from this as its good info.
The page where you can find similar info on ExplorOz (but not as much detail) is Trailersfound under the Vehicle Requirements menu.ExplorOz
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Reply By: dogart - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 15:11

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 15:11
A good post there Pete, onya.

There should be a national advertising campaign for the
majority of drivers out there that have absolutely no idea
about co-existing on our roads with larger vehicles.

A campaign as graphic as the drink driving ones would hopefully
enlighten the masses. Using the scenario of someone cutting infront of a semi
at the lights showing the possible outcome would wake a lot of these
uninformed people up...hopefully!

cheers
wolf
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Reply By: Member - Matt- Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 17:18

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 17:18
Thanks Pete, now how do I turn that post into a virus to infect everyones computer. Along with the graphic drink driving TV ads I think these golden rules have a place on prime time TV. The info is here but how do we share it?
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Reply By: Jason (macca) - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 21:21

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 21:21
Pete

Interesting reading. I can see why truckies get frustrated.

Can anyone explain what is meant when a truck has a sign on the rear saying "100km speed limited". Is something actually done to the truck to prevent it from travelling at speeds beyond 100km. Driving between Sydney
and Newcastle a few weeks ago, I was passed numerous times by trucks displaying the sign. They were doing a few kms more than 100. I was doing 105 to 110km

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Follow Up By: greendog - Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 23:49

Saturday, Nov 22, 2003 at 23:49
hi jason you ask about speed limited trucks ,well on my education that means a truck can only do 100 k,s an hr but most trucks are limited to about 105 to 108 ks that means when the speed get s to 105 the reev,es drop out .but i have hea rd of truck driver,s talking about same thing to do with the gear box they do same thing to it to take them what ever the limiter is set to say if the limiter is set to 106 then they can do 160 k.s an hr and it does,nt show on the card inside the speed.o ,i might wrong if so let me now i had a friend explian it to me one night when he told me he had done a brisbane to adel run in 18 hrs avg speed was around 140 to 150 that was goin back about 8 yrs ive got my truck licence as well so i now a little about what goes on and the demands of the drivers they face and i take my hat of to them all cheer,s peter
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Follow Up By: Big Trev - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:02

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:02
Trucks are electronically speed limited to the customers (truck owners) specifications in some cases, and in some cases these are considerabley more than the legal limit for trucks (unfortunate, but true). This is programed into the trucks fuel managment computer.

When speed limited correctly, they are limited based on the time over distance theory, (sometimes they measure tyre circumference and roll the truck over a measured distance) which means by the speedo they are travelling at 105 or there abouts, but by a laser accurately reading the vehicle it would be traveling at 100. Most speedos have a 5% inaccuracy built into them. If your speedo is reading 100, then really your closer to 95. Hence the tolerance given by Police.

Anything electronic has the potential to be bypassed, and some truck drivers are very good at this, mind you if they are caught severe penalties can apply.

Actually on this topic, convince me why cars aren't speed limited, it is very easy to do, a small computer program change. Takes about 5 minutes.

All the evidence tells us that "speed kills", so speed limit cars to 120 kph under ADR's
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Reply By: tex1972 - Sunday, Nov 23, 2003 at 19:59

Sunday, Nov 23, 2003 at 19:59
being a heavy vehicle mechanic I'd like $10 for every truck driver who has asked me to bypass a speed/rev limiter for them.The advice above is excellent but there are still a lot of truck drivers who need to read it as well,sit next to a highway and watch how many trucks tailgate other road users.Before you slag me off I work for a well known company, drive a truck myself and spend a lot of hours on the highway.Also maybe they should bring in articulated vehicle licences for those who tow small apartment blocks behind thier commodores.
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Reply By: Member - Melissa - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003 at 13:51

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003 at 13:51
Good post Pete but I had a bit of a chuckle at points 3 & 6 re: cars speeding up when trucks attemptng to overtake and trucks reaching "legal" downhill speed once cresting a hill. So often you get stuck behind a truck through hilly country...trucks slow as going up hill but look out if you're trying to overtake on the downhill run once they let their so-called speed limited trucks go and you find yourself pushing 130-140km/h to get past! The simple answer is to say overtake them on the uphill run but many 4WD's and 4 cylinder cars just don't have the grunt to do this, or unless its a long straight uphill climb you'd be mad to overtake when you can't see what might be coming over the crest of the hill. And I'm not anti-truckie...my twin brother is a long-haul truckie and my husband drove trucks on and off for 15 years so has great understanding for what's involved in driving trucks but there is fault on both sides and many truckies have a "king of the road, get outa my way" attitude.

:o) MelissaPetrol 4.5L GU Patrol &
Camprite TL8 offroad camper
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