National 4x4 licence

I do like the idea of getting access to areas if you have a licence as a responsible driver

So shouldnt driver training from a club, and club membership be the same?

Theres heaps of driver training out there, many that are Nationally accredited, I can't see why someone should have to be part of a 4WD club to get the training. But I do acknowledge that clubs are a focal point for those who want to have their voice heard, like those the VA4WDC support,

Theres no reason why a group from EO who have this "Responsible" 4WDriver licence couldnt arrange a trip into a hitherto unccessable area and clear racks and see the terrainLaterally Literal
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What Im saying is why do you need a license if you have been trained to drive one? Not meaning the club thing, what I meant is I've done driver training.. at 2 different clubs.. Why should I have to be trained again, and then PAY MONEY FOR IT.. Then have to bleep around to get a license?? I have my road train (5c) license, and have driven them, drove normal semis for years, with 1 accident, not my fault.... Surely to bleep I can handle a Patrol/cruiser/paj/Lada etc. Jam that for a joke.

4x4's come under a license now, its called a CAR license.

Its more money for the Gov that will do N O T H I N G for us at all...

Sales of 4x4 will drop as people CBF to pay the $1000 it will cost to get the license, prices of 4x4 will rise as there will be no demand, and there will be less Model Options...

The only ones to benefit will be 4x4 trainers, and the Gov..

Wont make spit difference to insurance, or rego, etc.... Just more bleep to go through for no reason.

Yep I agree Truckster. The evidence of the skill should be in the succcesful attendance and proof via a competence certificate from an accredited trainer. I have done three 4wd courses and two advanced driving courses, not that I needed to, I wanted to improve my skills. Same as your courses via the Clubs T-Man they should be recognised and our current licenses endorsed. The last thing I want is another bureaucracy and more red tape. Endorsement should be optional, you either get it or not and if you do have you get access to "restricted" areas, if you don't then thats your choice. Insurance companies could also offer better rates for endorsed drivers, its like a car alarm, less risk of theft, better drivers, less risk of having to pay out.Laterally Literal
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Truckster (Vic) posted this followup

I do like the idea of getting access to areas if you have a licence as a responsible driver
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Under your system I would be discriminated against if I did not pay to get a 4x4 license? What do I do with my 5C ???

We are getting into some pretty heavy civil liberty areas here.. leave it all alone or we will end up like Holland where you need to do a TAFE course before you can play golf.

tafe course to play golf....ya got to be kidding!Wow! am I cute
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Richard

Brett, I didnt post that, it was in the post above mine, it was what I was replying to.

Not another one on about Civil Liberties... DO you know Simon?

Sorry Truckster I was typing quickly before the start of the footy.

All this talk about extra or additional licenses /endorsments for 4x4's just increases the number of restrictions we already face. Imagine signs such as "Only 4WDs with endorsed drivers past this point" if any sort of license is implemented this will become a reality.

As I said in earlier posts the individual drivers have to be responsible for their own actions. We have a good NAtional licensing system with enough distinction between the classes. We do not need improvement in this area.

I don't exactly know why this subject keeps coming up. If it is related to accidents stats indicating the demographic component should be included. Or is this subject raised by people who choose not to have a 4x4 and feel intimidated by them on the road? Or maybe thare are a number of white collar Merc or Volvo drivers whos only experience with the bush is the one in their front garden and cannot understand why someone would need a 4x4.

In hindsight I think we would be better not commenting on this subject until some sort of Government proposal is publicised. I am not paranoid but I have seen what has happened in the coal industry where even Office workers have to be competancy tested before they are able to operate office equipment. Vehicles driving on a coal mine need to be fitted with high mounted brake, blinkers and tail lights but these lights do not comply with ADR and are therefore illegal. So the lights are fitted with a switch so their operation can be controlled so they don't work on public roads. Then you get booked by the Police because you have lights on your vehicle which don't work( because they have been turned off due to ADR rules) Then you seek further advise from the police and get told that you are allowed to have the lights not working if you have a PERMIT. So it is illegal to have these mine site required lights not working on a public road as long as you pay money.

We dont want to allow a door to be opened(even just a little bit) whereby any limitations on the operation or availability of 4wd turns into legislation because if that happens our liberties will be eroded.

What am I hearing?????

In hindsight I think we would be better not commenting on this subject until some sort of Government proposal is publicised.

Whatever happened to free speech? Should we whisper about this behind closed doors and not say boo if someone makes a comment? Do all the ideas only materialise when a government proposal is launched? I would think that is the worst time to comment, after the decision has been made and the publicity machine is kicking into action.

I don't want to be paraniod Brett but when I need a competency test to operate a stapler, the last thing on my mind will be a special licence for 4WD's....Laterally Literal
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Well said Landie....my thoughts concur with yours entirely.

Yes, very few people who comment on this issue consider where the vast majority of 4x4's are. In industry of course. I would like to know what the percentage is Industry to Recreational 4x4's. Just think of all the government departments and their 4x4's. Imagine sending each worker to sit a 4x4 exam. The mind boggles.

Cheers,
Willem

Always going somewhere

Dont even think it will be as cheap as $100 ea... Im thinking it will be $1000 ea..

Whats a good offroad drivers course worth now? $400-500ish?? Then once there is a demand for it, they will charge what they like + the Governments share....

Thats PER PERSON.. Wife yourself, kids etc... Thats a LOT of $ for no reason. I'd rather burn it.

I agree with a lot of this Landie.
One further point I'd like to make though. How many mining industry personnel do you reckon are killed each year in 4 x4 accidents? I know you'd all be surprised at that statistic.
There's one access road here in Pilbara (Tom Price to Karratha) that is probably (definitely) going to be closed in near future due to too many fatalities of both mining personnel & public citizens.

All good points as usual peopleAllyn
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I'll add another 1000 mozzies !!!!!Willem

Always going somewhere

Add 1000000 mozzies, and March flies.... 2139283409238402938409 scorpions, and 20394802239840298340298340928340298304982304982034982039480239480239843948023948 Brown snakes.

Dunno about you but most of mine are all on the one licence/card.

I do have a bit of a collection even still though with other govt agencies etc.Allyn
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willem,
which part of the anotomy do you want the mozzies to infest

Truckster: scorpions- the crutch?
: snakes- trousers?

Coops ; govt agencies- dont want themWow! am I cute
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Richard

Jimmy

You bring in this and all off-road tracks will be closed to anyone without the special licence/accredation or whatever.

Head to Head...or...Gun to Head, either way the green minority have it over everyone, have you seen some of their actual policies??

A "non-violent" civil defence force
Helping people to take more drugs for personal filfilment
Paying people who REFUSE to work

Any connection to real world values is lost on tis mob. Their performance in Parliament speaks for itself.

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