Alpine Diesel
Submitted: Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:36
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Member - Tony Z (NSW)
Hi all, someone will be able to help me out on this question from the knowledgeable people on here. We are going down to stay at
Jindabyne and travel into Perisher/Thredbo for day trips next week so the wife can see and touch snow (our bodies to worn out to ski) as she has not see it before. My question is: I believe that you need to use Alpine Diesel in the vehicle to stop it going to jelly is it available in
Cooma or can you get an additive to add to your tank.
Thanks in advance for your replies
Reply By: Uncle-Laurie - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:30
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:30
Most of the servo's sell it straight from the bowsers during winter down there.
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Reply By: trainslux - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:32
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:32
Best to let your tank level go down, and fill up at the local servo when you arrive as they will already have their alpine diesel all ready to go.
http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9012436&contentId=7017653
can help with whats available, if thats not your brand of fuel, use another suppliers site.
Bp also has info on the ratio for adding kerosine to non alpine diesel to enable it to be used in cold conditions,
check their fuel .pdf's
hope this helps
cheers, safe trip and enjoy the snow.
Trains
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Reply By: OREJAP - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:32
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:32
I think two cup fulls of kero into your tank should prevent "Waxing" of fuel lines & if you require fuel ALL servos in the area you are going will sell Alpine Diesel. Put the kero in prior to driving into area & there is another additive you can & instead of kero and this was discussed on an early thread post. If memory serves me
well I am sure a Toyota Produce was discussed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 14:20
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 14:20
From the BP website:
BLENDING DIESEL
If you are not in an alpine area but have abnormally cold weather,a diesel blend may provide
some relief to lower the cloud point. Heating oil (duty paid at diesel rate) is an effective
blending agent and your BP supplier can provide information on how to perform this safely,
but typically would involve the following:
??Heating Oil at 25 litres for each 100 Litres of diesel, or
??kerosine at 5 litres for each 100 litres of Diesel
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Reply By: Muddy.au - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:35
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:35
Alpine diesel is available in most sub alpine towns, if you are only doing day trips its not necessary but gives some piece of mind, when I stay or
camp above the snow line I drive into town on my sub tank with an empty main fill up and switch over.
regards David
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Reply By: Madfisher - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 13:13
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 13:13
Tony even
places like Bathurst/
Orange all run Alpine diesel in Winter, so I would think even
Canberra would to.
Have a great time Pete
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 14:30
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 14:30
Ditto
Tamworth has "winter mix Diesel", I am certain that
Goulburn and
all places south will (assuming you are coming ex
Sydney). There are plenty of
places colder than Jindbyne which aren't near the snow which don't have problems. Glen Innes was -11 last week.
Rather than stuff around with kero, do as suggested above, run your fuel down in your tank and fill up nearer to
Cooma.
If your Pajero is still under warranty, I wouldn't give the buggers the chance to use your kero as a reason to void your warranty.
I don't know if many of those who recommended running kero in the very interesting earlier post have modern CRD engines still under warranty.
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Reply By: River Swaggie - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 16:11
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 16:11
You learn something new every day...Before this post i'd never even heard that diesel in Alpine areas could turn to jelly and i drive one...Ive only been in these areas in Summer,
well 4wdriving anyway...
Say if i drive (4wd) in snow around 600 metres and stay the night...How long does it take for it to turn like that ????....I know it would depend on the temperature but an idea would be good...
Thanks
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Reply By: Jeffrey B2 - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 18:10
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 18:10
I have had my diesel fuel in a tractor turn to Jelly/Flakes north of
Dalby.
The problem was that "summer fuel" was delivered in bulk at Xmas time and because of limited planting due to drought very little was used.
During a very cold couple of days in July the fuel went to flakes in the tank and fuel systems on the tractor and wouldn't run.
As the morning warmed up everything went back to normal.
Another load of "winter fuel" fixed the problem.
All the other
vehicleswere operational as they may have been fuelled in
Dalby or better protected from tne cold.
It is all a learning process, just don't put in too much kero and definately not petrol.
Each can be abrasive and damage a fuel pump.
Been there and done that.
Have Fun Haji-Baba
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Reply By: Member - Darren M (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 20:02
Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 20:02
I use a fuel additive called Diesel Power, it is made by Chemtech and is available at Autobarn or other car shops. I use it when we go to the snow, however a guy from work spends weeks fly fishing in the Tassie high country and swears by it.
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:25
Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:25
Beware of Diesel Power. The original Diesel Power had a anti-waxing agent in it. The new version of Diesel Power released a year or so ago does not have the Anti-Waxing agent.
Otherwise Diesel power is a good product, but do not depend on it for its anti-waxing properties.
There other additives avaiable with antiwaxing agents such as some of the redline products and I have seen a STP one.
Have a chat at a good auto parts store, look for a diesel additive that includes a anti-waxing agent.
As an aside, I use additives with anti-waxing whenever I travel into the high country. There have been occasions where people have been trapped in the high country in mid summer with waxed fuel blocking fuel filters due to sudden cold snaps.
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Reply By: Super (NSW) - Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 14:51
Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 14:51
Hi Tony,
I travel to
Bullocks Flat every year to stay in
Perisher Valley for a week. I leave the diesel Pajero in the long term car park at
Bullocks Flat whilst up in the mountains. I usually run the fuel down and put in 30 litres at the
Caltex in
Jindabyne. This gives me more than enough to get to
Bullocks Flat then back to the Woolworths garage at
Cooma where I fill up. Never had a problem and have been there during some pretty cold winters.
Hope you enjoy the snow, there's plenty of it at the moment.
Super
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Reply By: richard - Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 17:55
Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 17:55
The
Caltex on the Monaro high way in
canberra sells Alpine diesel, fill up there.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 19:05
Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 19:05
All diesel in the
Canberra area is Alpine diesel from about late April - early May to October. You do not have to looking for it.
Garry
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Reply By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 18:35
Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 18:35
Thanks for all the replies, I have looked in all the auto shops around here (Central Coast NSW) and no products on their shelves say they have anti-waxing properties. I ran the tank down and put enough in the tank to get us in and out with some running around.
Again Thanks for your replies
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