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26 Hours

Imagine you have spent 6 days bumping over the roughest, mostly trackless terrain averaging maybe 8 kmh.

Its almost over as you approach station land expecting easy tracks ahead but then you come over a crest and there it is - a lake as far as the eye could see blocking your path.

Well that is how it was on our recent Madigan line crossing.

But this note is not about our trip but rather I'm asking you to seriously consider just how do you go about working thru such a problem with the limited information at hand.

In all the years we have been driving we have never quite been put in this scenario and some mistakes were made.

First, full realization of the problem doesn't come at once.

Our 5 vehicles have been given permission to enter Madigans camp 20 from the west.
I guess we assumed that like the Eyre creek bypass, that if you had permission you could obviously get across - wrong, assumptions out there are mistakes just waiting to bite you.

In the closing stages of the this trip we were happily plodding along, beginning to think of home and a meal at the Birdsville pub with no idea that the toughest stretch was before us.
7km from camp 20 we came across this enormous lake. No one believed it, 6 days driving into a total dead end.

We probed the edges and it was a serious vehicle trap, so we began to think, the maps were of little use but we figured the lake could be 20km long and it was 4pm. Some wanted to stop and some didn't.

Howard (ACT) and myself concluded that we had to get more data so to make a better decisions.
We 2 headed off with the intention of driving up to 40km cross country around the lake to see if we could still get to the crossing near camp 20.
In the 3 hours of remaining light we managed to force our way to the southern tip of the lake after some hairy adventures across mud flats and a near vertical dune.


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On dusk we made camp for the night and before sunrise we were on our way heading north up the other side of the lake, by 10am we had our answer, the entire area was hopelessly flooded.
We slopped our way close to the edge of Eyre creek at the crossing co-ordinates and had to leave the cars for the remaining 50 meters.
It was like a tropical jungle and in front of us lay an almost complete wall of spider webs with huge fat spiders that would have made quite a meal for TV hero Bear Gyliss.
We had to retreat and get long sticks to clear a path to the creek edge and when we did our hearts sank.
The Eyre was huge and flowing fast - all hope of crossing it was gone.

So here we are an impossible 300m from the appointed place.
It really does make you sit down and analyse you options.
Our North Simpnson strip map booklet, which had proved so useful was now no help at all.

The good part was that we had food water and fuel for a week, satphone and HF comms.

But what do you do!
No real chance of backtracking - apart from being a long long way the dunes
were hard enough coming the easy way, and even if possible it might take a week and leave us stranded if it was to hard.

There is an official Eyre crossing about 65 km line of sight cross country from our position however our reconnaissance indicated that it would probably be blocked by other lakes.

In every other trip I can remember there was a destination - it may be hard - you may have to winch it, but their was a known ending.
Here you could not be sure of anything and just had to theorize, take your best guess and hope.

We figured we only had one real option - to head vaguely in the direction of the Eyre creek bypass bearing right at every water body that blocked our way and then looping back left once across to try and preserve a heading.

Ultimately we figured we would have to hit the QAA line somewhere before running out of fuel.

Howards rally experience and ability to read the land made him the more suitable leader and his 79 series V8 had a bullbar to boot, whereas my 4800 Patrol was the faster more nimble car with more traction aids and
I had a passenger(my wife Anne) and hence a second pair of eyes.
We informed the other cars of the situation and our plan over UHF and headed off.

And so began a drive I will never forget, we set up a search pattern constantly probing left against the water bodies followed by a dashes up to the dunes to assess the situations, trees ahead meant water and danger.
We moved fast but carefully, no point risking the cars, if they broke down, they'd stay there a long time.
But there was a serious amount of country to explore and it needed to be done efficiently, it was not a time for a convoy plod with each using up their fuel.
Every type of surface was before us, from mudflats with holes on a 1 meter grid pattern that mercilessly pounded the cars to tackling untracked dunes up the steep side.

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Thick scrub needed the bullbar, and water eroded dunes had big holes in them and were made invisible by spinnfex cover.
Howard was setup with Ozi-explorer and rudimentary maps and I used a Garmin 276c in dead reckoning mode.

It would be a long drive with no stopping at all today !

After a while you get into a rhythm and anticipate each others moves - if one went into some dead end scrub the other would weave around looking for another path, but it was treacherous work.
Howard stopped to verify a heading and in 5 seconds began to sink - a quick snatch and 2 minutes to recover him, which included refilling the coffee mugs from the thermos.

I learnt that cattle take the path of least resistance and Howard often followed short single trails until they went under a branch - next minute we were on an old but man made green covered trail. Could this be an unknown station track, heading for the crossing.
500 meters later our answer, as it turned right and dead ended at what was probably once a station waterhole.
Off again, south now following a rough dune, but dunes run out, and where they do, there is often a huge body of water in front.
The classic Simpson floodway Wedgee, nothing to do but turn around and look for a crossing across the mudflats.

On and on we went non-stop for hours and the terrain pushed us away from our target.


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10km out our course need significant correction, we had to bee line across some heavy dunes, maybe the roughest we had encountered.
On the peak of the dune now, and we expected to see the next lake to block us when Howard said "I see the crossing, clear land ahead" and with great relief we arrived at the Eyre creek crossing , beaten up but happy.

I began replacing some ripped out breather hoses before doing the crossing and we looked up a saw a person.

The first we had seen for 7 days - it was no other than Stephen L (see his post 88373)

On we pressed, 1 minute for Big Red which never looked so easy, another for little Red , down the bypasses and into Birdsville 26 hours and 2 minutes after we began.

We had traveling the entire length of the west bank of Eyre Creek north of Ruwolts bore, over 100 km of the purest cross country driving I have even done dodging mud swamps dunes & lakes and heavy
undergrowth.

For us this has been exploring Australia in the rawest sense, we may never do a drive like this again - but there is little need as this one will be remembered a long time.

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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 13:34

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 13:34
I really envy you. What a wonderful experience! That is what I cal "Explor(ing)eOz. The trip of a lifetime to remember the rest of your days. When the "bad bits" fade you will look back with nostalgia.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:24

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:24
You know Brian , thats mainly why I write stuff - so that I don't forget what happened - and maybe I'll learn something.

And this was just 26 hours out of 8 days in the bush.
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 14:03

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 14:03
Did I miss something, what happened to the other 3 vehicles??

Great write up Robin, really enjoyed it.
Good outcome.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:14

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:14
Hi John
Don't know in detail.
We had seperated by then, and just supplied our results till UHF contact was lost. They were planning a slow finish and still had a couple of weeks up their sleves.
The next day Howard and us seperated in Birdsville (although we did catch up waiting for ferry) and I was a 800km away by nightfall.
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Reply By: Mick O - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 14:17

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 14:17
Certainly an epic adventure Robin. Keep this sort of behaviour up and you'll have Equinox following you about (and asking if he can put a couple of cans in your car fridge lol).

Great read and well done.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:41

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:41
Ha ha ha!!
Funny bugga!! :))

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Follow Up By: equinox - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 19:21

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 19:21
Mick I'm sure what Robin means about "roughest, mostly trackless terrain" is the area most eastern staters frequent, that being the area east of Longitude 129. If I was to follow up Robin for some fridge real estate, then it would have to be where the real action is, ie. west of Longitude 129 :)))

To Robin's query/question, having some experience in having to change plans radically due to some giant obstacles I can offer some advice.

1. Relax and don't make a rushed decision. Might be time for morning tea.
2. Try to think of the worst case scenario and plan back from that.
3. Work out if deadlines can be changed and change them to suit the scenario if possible.
4. Think of precedents, and whether they can be utilised.
5. Extract opinions from all of your crew no matter how differing the opinions are and remember to utilise peoples strengths.
6. Come to terms with possibly altering where you want to go remembering that the place will still be there next time.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:07

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:07
Hi Guys

Mick I don't think anyone could squeeze anything into our tiny weight saving fridge and I think I have stuffed up badly on reviewing Alans critrea.

I suspect the others with us would have agreed , but for me and I think for Howard (He can correct me if I offend) , that our replies to your points would be -->

1/ Time for morning tea - Whoa thats 15 minutes wasted time - if you really must then boil up a thermos full to save time over the rest of the day.

2/Try to think of worst case and plan back - Thats us for sure , I like it.

3/ Results driven engineer here - deadlines don't change.

4/ Precedents ? I'm lost on this one - althougth I have convinced some to skip lunch until the destination is reached.

5/ A Extract Opinions - Yes but make you own analysis of there validity
B Utilise the groups strenghs - so valid , and give everyone a little mission instead of them chewing the Cud.

6/ Detouring around an obstackle is acceptable but the destination is the destination.


The above is only half in jest as things must be examined whollistically with the goal in mind and appreciating that the chain is only as good as its weakess link.



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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 14:20

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 14:20
Thanks Robin, a very interesting read; it sounds like you had quite an adventure that concluded successfully. And in asking the question, how do you work through such a problem with limited information at hand. I can’t answer the question as it relates to this particular event, however...

I think the answer lies to some extent in the following quote, from none other than Cecil T Madigan himself, whom, on crossing the Simpson Desert (The Madigan Line) said “The success of an expedition depends primarily on the preliminary organisation”.

On reading this story, and posts on your other trips, it is clear to me you have developed a ‘template’ for dealing with situations that may arise. I doubt you could ever prepare for all eventualities, but what you can have is a clear process of how you will work through problems that do arise, and I think this is what Madigan himself was alluding to in the book ‘Crossing the Dead Heart’.

Getting the template right sets you up for clear and rationale thinking when needed, and aids in a clear thought process when the pressure is on; clearly you have this very important tool in your kit already... And it ranks up there as one of the most important tools all of us should take on our trips!

Look forward to reading of the next adventure, and I’m sure you’ll receive many requests to act as a ‘tour guide’ in the future...
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 20:25

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 20:25
Hi Landy

Many thoughts there - a point of difference I have with Madigan is what is meant by success of the expedition. For him it probably meant crossing the dessert. I guess that for us it means having a serious adventure.

I was a little dissapointed by our lack of knowledge about the flooding all along the Eyre - but I'd secretly have to ask myself , if I knew what I know now then maybe we wouldn't have done what we did.

Considering that we "exceeded our expectations" in terms of our goal definition then perhaps I am happy for a certain level of ignorance to exist.

To much ignorance can lead to bad outcomes , so it has to be tempered with a higher level of equipment and logistics capability.

I hope the above constitues rationale thinking - and if it does, then it only does in the context of a clear understanding of the true goal.


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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:44

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:44
Hi Robin

Perhaps you haven’t read Madigan’s book, but I suspect you have much in common; he has been reflected on as a man of considerable personal ambition.

In one of the chapters he reminisces that “there could be no question of turning back, for returning was now no easier than g o’er, but on the contrary would be more difficult if one’s expectation about the country ahead proved correct”.

Whilst Madigan’s aim was to cross the desert, it was much more with many scientific papers written across a variety of studies as a result of the research undertaken on during the crossing.

He did say this about his trip; “There were no high adventures, which are usually due to incompetence or invention, but the spirit of adventure was not lacking. There was enough risk to give colour to the enterprise, and enough strange variety to keep the glamour of the desert undimmed from day to day”. And I don’t suggest for one minute that you or your travelling companions were incompetent...

Crossing the Dead Heart is an interesting read ,and possibly essential text for those traversing the region. If you can’t access a copy I would be more than happy to lend you my copy as it can be hard to obtain.

A note on rationale thinking; perhaps we are best served by doing the rationale thinking in the planning stage of any enterprise. Whilst it doesn’t mean that rationale thinking isn’t called for ‘out in the field’ the decision making process will be made easier by having formulated some clear and concise guidelines to operate within.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 15:54

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 15:54
Robin you seriously need to start producing some video of your adventures.! Whilst I admire your story telling skills, I reckon you could produce some rippers. What a great adventure, great story..
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:30

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:30
Hi Terra

Video doesn't seem to work for me. Look at the picture I included above titled "Oops another washout". In reality I fell into a big hole slewing sideways
off a mogul and couldn't get out , it took both lockers and a charge forward and quickly back to get car where it is - if I had my auto 4800 I reckon I'd still be there - and the picture looks so serene !
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Follow Up By: S.A. Blaze - Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:06

Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:06
Just a small Question Robin, You quote here "" if I had my auto 4800 I reckon I'd still be there "" What is it that you drive now? I thought you still had the 4800?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:51

Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:51
I kept the old manual 4800 and so have two now Blaze.

Its such a great car I didn't have the heart to give it up.

I have been able to run side by side tests with them both and a Border track loop showed the auto used 22% more fuel in the hard stuff and 5% less on highway.
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Follow Up By: S.A. Blaze - Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 09:35

Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 09:35
More good info thanks Robin, guess I better still look at using around 280ltrs then out of my petrol being that its auto, luckily a V6 which is smaller in cubes and also a lighter vehicle than you ran, but it will be interesting to compare, of course conditions (damp verses dry sand) makes for huge differences.

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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:05

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:05
Gooday Robin,
good yarn as usual... You always do seem to have penchant for getting yourself in (and out... lol...) of tight spots.

I too would like to know what happend to the other vehicles. Did you radio and say... "We are home.... lol... see you later....?"
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:17

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:17
Something like that Fred (see in Johns reply above) , this wasn't meant to be a story blog , just setting the scene around issues involved in making hard decisions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:35

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:35
Hi again,
understood.... but I was still curious... lol... Just as well I am not a cat... I would have been in trouble years ago.. (:

Have been caught a couple of times in the snowy region... where you were in trouble if you continued... and in trouble if you went back... Never an easy decision. Apreciated your thread.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:23

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:23
As usual a great write up Robin.

Would you mind sharing fuel use for the various vehicles on the tri,p and your fuel points. I guess it was Finke to Birdsville.

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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:49

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:49
Boobook,
My 79 series V8 used 167 litres for 835 km on speedo Mt Dare to Birdsville
Robin's nissan recorded slightly higher Km on the clock and he used just on 200 litres in a 4.8 petrol. I carried 280 litres.I think Robin started with 300.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:23

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:23
Well you both should be pretty chuffed with those figures.

Not bad.
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:31

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 17:31
WOW
WOW
It is the most interesting post I have read on Exploroz. You had me read every word.
One part of me wished I was there as well, the other part said thank God I was not

Just goes to show, always take spares and plan for extra days in food, water and fuel
"Big Red which never looked so easy" LOL

Cheers mate, thanks for sharing
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:35

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:35
Thanks CJ , I certainly concurr with you comment , I had to fill 6 5lt oil containers with fuel to make our budget of 300lt, and burn the empties.
Some weren't happy but it was very comforting to have this reserve when things hit the fan.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:58

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:58
Great write-up as usual Robin - an epic adventure.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:49

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 09:49
Hi Captain

Definately one to tick off the bucket list, have promised that the next trip will be a lot quieter.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 19:44

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 19:44
G/Day Robin
What an adventure you all had.
Your cross country skills are excellent.
And paramount besides having the essentials re: water /food and fuel ect, is good communications which you described.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:49

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:49
Hi Daza

I don't know about excellant but they sure got a dust-off.

Hows your new car going - on its first trip yet ?
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:54

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:54
G/Day Robin

Yes the 4.8 ltr Patrol tows like a train.
Far different than the 3 ltr crd Patrol.
And the fuel economy is not to bad either.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:13

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:13
Often the greatest adventures are those that aren't planned & this was surely one of those.
I am surprised Robin that you were surprised to find so much water flooding down the Eyre as that is what Mt Dare has been reporting for quite some time.
Got to love your fuel economy though from the big petrol. Have to admit I'm actually looking at an petrol auto myself. (Who would of thought :-)

Cheers Craig........................
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 13:59

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 13:59
Really Craig ? things have changed haven't they and the decision is not as clear cut as it once was.
When I carefully examined the Prado's last year , for us the petrol was the pick of the bunch.

I expected the Eyre creek water - but the surprise was the huge flood lakes away from it kilometers out.

I now know that no-one has been near where we went for a long time and hence no valid report, jeez even the young dingoes were as playful as if they had never seen people.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:31

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:31
Hi Robin

A great read and well done. Before meeting you we headed up to Annandale ruins and the route was blocked like yours by an inland lake and only required about a 40 kilometres bush bash.

I was a real pleasure to meet you, Anne and Howard.


Once again, congratulations for that very hard work.


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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:35

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:35
Hi Stephen

I'd like to know a little more about your trip to Annandale. Was there a clear path around , or did you have to go via multiple water fronts as we did without any clear direction.

I just looked at our plot, as my post was more about sorting things out than a trip report I did not include that we tried every possible exit east and our plot shows us within 500 meters of the ruins last monday.

Interestingly we were obviously on the west side of Eyre creek but our great dessert tracks maps under Ozi-exp shows us on the east side of creek - even more reason to be self reliant I guess and place little faith in the information we had.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 22:08

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 22:08
Hi Robin

I have sent you the track file for Ozi and as you will see it was a mild drive compared to the task that you and Howard had, having been in that country and knowing just how hard the going is.

Things were going fine until the first dune after Ruwolts Bore. The track seemed fine then the black soil became very sticky, and was heading straight for a large body of water in the distance, and would have been suicide to continue on.


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As you can see from the above image, the body of water was well over a kilometre wide in places and ended just short of Dickerrie Bores. We hugged the side of the dune and travelled around 300 metres from the actual waters edge, sometimes closer. From Dickerrie Bores, the track was back to normal all the way up to Annandale.


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Reply By: Irene F - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:40

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 21:40
Hi Robin,

Sounds like you had an interesting trip.

A few observations;

With the Eyre Creek running at record levels during 2011 and the vegetation so thick in the desert this year, wouldn't you have considered that crossing Eyre Creek and general travel in that location doubtful at best this season?

Whilst at C16 did you consider using your HF Radio or Sat phone to contact either Don Rowlands, Police or the Visitor Information Centre in Birdsville for an update on the current conditions before you proceeded east?

Driving across country on David Brooks private property and leaving wheel marks in boggy areas could be considered as unwise. I would hate to see access to others in futures years denied. Maybe wise to consider what is written on forum sites?

All the best
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 22:26

Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 22:26
Hi Irene

Thanks for the input, the points you raise need to be considered and answered fairly.

I will answer your question first as I consider it important ( I usually answer in turn)

There was no reason to contact anyone at C16 or earlier - it was bone dry right across the whole way , we were quite aware the the path across the Simpson was recently opened and approved with some pondage which guaranteed that some alternate tracks would be created.

We had further specifically delayed our trip by 2 weeks on advice from David
only after which we were then given permission.

We had zero reason to suspect that the approved path was flooded forcing a detour , this after all was why we were given a specific crossing point - because by implication - you could cross it.

Following our departure there was a heatwave - further cementing our belief.

The condition of camp20 would have implied to a property manager that a detour was a likely possibility and no optional alternate instructions were provided nor sought.

Your last point about wheel marks in boggy areas is harder to quantify as I am not familar enough with those farming requirements to properly assess.

What I can say though is that the country side was dry (some swales excepted)
and we had significant problems tracking the car just in front of us as it left no wheel marks.

Our path avoided boggy areas like the plague but some would have occurred , but really if you look at the picture I posted above (field of holes) then I can honestly say that our tracks would have been almost nothing in comparison.

All in all I can say we complied very well with the conditions placed on us and there reasonable alternatives.

I would believe further that if sought we would be given the same permission again.

Before your question I was thinking about saying that a wonderful business opportunity business exists up there possibly as a paid track drive - we have paid fees for Hay river for example and the thought of being able to drive up over and down the east\west side of Lake Eyre is something that I would consider a heathly market exists for and which our drive demonstrated can be done with what I consider a low level of impact.

One thing I would disagree about with you though is that I would not avoid writing this post up, from my point of view I have done the right thing and sign my name to it , if I have made mistakes I would rather know about them and upfront as this would help others to avoid same.

The way I look at things a paid track drive would be a win /win situation for both property owners and those of us that are looking for new ways to explore this country.










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Reply By: Skippype - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:42

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:42
Robin
Great post....
I have a question...What tyres were you using on the 79 ute? They look like Cooper STc. How did they perform?
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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 20:56

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 20:56
Skip,
the tyres on My 79 series were Mickey Thompson MTZ's
performed as expected- no issues.
I have run them on my last 2 80 series for about 8 years. I think this is my 3rd or 4th set.
Previously ran BFG AT's and Goodyear MTR's but I prefer the MT MTZ's.
Averaging about 70K per set and only a few punctures.( touchwood no sidewall stakes to date)
The vehicle does a lot of off road work on the farm as well as touring.
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Follow Up By: Skippype - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 21:57

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 21:57
Thanks for that.
I have just put a set of Cooper STT's on my 79. I hope they get as good a run as your MT's. I have been churning through tyres like you would not believe. The best I have had so far was 50,000km out of a set of Cooper STc's but you can't get them any more.
Anyway thanks for the info...
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Reply By: The Landy - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:04

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:04
Robin

Borne out of an interest I have in ‘risk minimisation’ and going back to your original question which was “how would you work through a similar problem with the limited information at hand”...

To enable a comparison of the actions taken are you able to share what the other members of your travelling group did to overcome the problem, how they were equipped to do so, and with the knowledge of what they did would you reassess how you might tackle a similar problem in the future?

All food for thought...
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:42

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:42
I would also like to hear from that point of view Landy.

All were well setup , experienced, with independant comms, supplies , plenty of fuel etc but I suspect you could not do a meaningful comparison because the problem would be different and a different approach might be as valid.

I exaggerate what I mean to illustrate.

Our perception of the issue was more like -> how to get to Birdsville in 48 hours - theirs may have been , how can we experience the beauty of the dessert for several more days whilst still getting to the destination sometime safely
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:55

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 14:55
Just added a little note under Stephen's reply which shows how we could not rely on even maps like GDT which we had the latest version of.
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Reply By: Member - Matt M - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:11

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:11
Bear Grylls? Did you and Howard have to drink your own urine at any point?

Great write up Robin.
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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 20:45

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 at 20:45
hi Matt,
Never,
even got back to Canberra with a full bottle of Ballantines athough I froze (Read burst)my last stubbie of beer on the drive home from Hawker.
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Reply By: Member - Alex B - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:23

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:23
Wow Robin,
What an adventure -
I was already impressed with your first line "...6 days at 8kph..." then the real story unfolded.

Thanks for sharing such a great story. A great read

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Reply By: michael d3 - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 at 20:03

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 at 20:03
Hello Robin,
I have just read with great interest your post and I must say many thanks for taking the time to share your adventure,good information on the North Simpson is indeed rare
I am heading out next week and I guess will be following some of your wheel tracks through to camp 16 where I will head south down the Hay instead of contuining through on the eastern leg of the route as you did.
I have been assuming there is nothing too much to worry about (water wise) through to camp 16 , can you confirm my assumption to be correct? Also, did you travel from camp 2 to camp 6 via the Pivot and if so, does the vegetation extend right through to Camp 6 and beyond ?
Lastly, do you have a report on the section, Old Andado - Camp 16 posted anywhere ?
Oh, one more thing, as this is my first post, please accept my apology if I have posted inncorrectly or failed to follow protocol in any way

Many thanks in advance

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:44

Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:44
Hi Michael

Pretty free easy going and helpful site here - not at home and don't have my stuff here - if you send to my email I can help you more - for now though I haven't had time to write any reports even this isn't really one and it looks like you will be gone before I do.

Some points , the hardest camp to find was camp 1 (which doesn't help your moral at the start ) this is because a new station track running north south is in place about 3km west , this track runs along the west side of a fence line.
To get to the old track which is very faint you turn left over a long section of fallen down barbed wire fence and then run up the east side of a fence from a few huindred meters then adjacent the fence line the track turns sharp right (at this point its only less than 3km to camp 1.)

I used the North simpson booklet as my base document - if you use it be aware that in several places it has latitude line out by 1 degree i.e. its grid is labelled 24 xx yy instead of 25 xx yy , its track plots are pretty good though.

The most important thing I can tell you is that the camps all have the correct co-ordinates and to believe them, I mean spot on to less than 50 meters, and at each one is just a post an 2 inch wide plate.
Several times when the track dissappeared we bee lined to them and it worked

No water at all from Old Andado to camp16 , which is a surprise because there is a lake just in front of Old Andado.

Vegetation and spinifex along whole track - almost no where to camp off it after camp 1A

This trip is mostly a long bumpy slog , with the biggest problems being spinnfex pickup and sore backs from people running to high tyre pressures and having stiff suspension.










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Follow Up By: michael d3 - Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 19:44

Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 at 19:44
Thanks Robin for your feedback , excellent information.
I must apologise as i did omit some information in my initial post that I should have included. We did have a look at the Madigan last yr, traveling a short way past camp 2,however my traveling companion had some minor issues with his vehicle... That and the remoteness for him caused some concerns and he decided to pull out of the trip. As I was unprepared for a solo crossing I pulled out as well, no big deal, I knew it would still be here this year . We also had trouble finding camp 1 and eventually went cross country from 1a to camp 2. It all makes sense now after reading your version of events. I am away at the moment ,and tapping away on my iPhone, I will pop an email off to you on my return , Saturday with a couple of other short queries if you have the time to reply, if not no problem.
Again , many thanks

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Reply By: ben_gv3 - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 at 20:57

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 at 20:57
What a great write up.

Certainly makes one rethink the virtues of Petrol over Diesel for touring duties. A 20-30% increase in fuel usage definitely isn't too bad.
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Reply By: SIF4X4 - Friday, Aug 19, 2011 at 05:10

Friday, Aug 19, 2011 at 05:10
Looks like you two old fellas had some Excitement out there....the Simpson can throw up a lot of variables. Being well prepared and keeping a cool head is the go. Well done on your adventure................

Cheers

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Reply By: Ozrover - Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:39

Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:39
Geeze Robin! Your a legend! Glad that I didn't have to come out & get you LOL!

Mate that write up was awesome! glad you made it out alright!

& thanks again for bringing that stuff out for me, truly a scholar & a gentleman!

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:54

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:54
Your to kind Jeff , was a very exciting trip and for others its worth knowing that if the way across Eyre creek is blocked then travelling down the west side is feasible if you stay 1-2km west out of the main channel.

Next year we hope to spend more time at Mt Dare.
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