Money from Desert Passes

Submitted: Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:44
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Morning all,

Having just run down the Andado Track and run out to Dalhousie Ruins on the way through to home I was angered to see the signage at the Ruins. Here I was taking some people who had never seen the area and telling them before we got there how great it was and about all the sign's that explained the area etc.

On arrival we jumped out and 80% of the signs have faded and are not readable, the fellow travelling asked the same question I am going to pass on here, (someone may know the number) but out of these many travellers that do the Simpson and Witjira National Park and pay over $100 for their permit, why can't this money go towards upkeep of these important information boards. I would hate to have at a guess how much revenue is raised by these permits for very little expenditure on the part of the Government bodies?



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Reply By: Member - Des Lexic - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:50

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:50
Blaze, I thought that you would be well aware of this states money grabbing policy of take everything and give nothing back.
Beside that, you would also be aware that beyond Gawler, the state doesn't exist.
Des
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Follow Up By: Dion - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 23:39

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 23:39
Des,
It's Gepps X, not Gawler that things cease to exist.

Cheers,
D.
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Reply By: muffin man - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:16

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:16
You could always do some reading prior to your trip to gain knowledge of the area, therefore you are not relying on signage boards.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blaze - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:35

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:35
As you say, I could read about it all online, I could also stay home and read about the places and look at some pictures. But when we are doing a trip of over 5,000k's through W.A. on Beadell Tracks that don't charge for permits and we did research the information, and they did supply information boards, seeing theat Dalhousie was going to be one of the last on the list and it had great signage, I didn't feel the need for looking up info on the area, plus I already new most of the detail about the area. My point was for people who didn't have prior knowledge.

Being into photography, I am quite happy for the departments to take all the signs away, but I would then like to know where my permit dollars are being spent?



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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:51

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:51
Sorry mate. You missed his point. He is talking about where the money goes, or more likely, where it doesn't.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Blaze - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:54

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:54
Gday Phil,

You have it right there mate. Also, owning a Computer Shop, I see quite a few people who wouldn't have any idea on how to look up information on places like Dalhousie. :-)


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Reply By: Hairy (WA) - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:00

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:00
Gday,
I think we all know the answer to that don't we?......
It pays for our our over paid, under worked, corrupt politicians and their lavish spending sprees, mammoth super funds and to supply illegal immigrants with necessities like cigarettes and free phone lines.
What do you expect them to be spent on? LOL

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 17:06

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 17:06
Hairy ,
well done , couldn,t have said it better myself .
mechpete
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Follow Up By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 20:26

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 20:26
Hairy,

You've got a great way with words (wish I was an Illegal immigrant, they get everything lol)

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 13:56

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 13:56
Gday Blaze,

You're barking up the wrong tree.

Desert Parks pass revenue is peanuts compared to the cost of running the 7 desert parks that are covered by the permits.

You need to redirect yourself towards the Rann/Foley Government who have slashed spending on the environment in SA.

If the signage really bothers you, join Friends of the Simpson Desert Parks and it will get fixed by volunteers using their own time, in their own vehicles and largely at their expense.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Blaze - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 16:22

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 16:22
I understand what your saying Phil,

Not to sure I could direct it just to the Rann/Foley Government, I have friends who are in Parks employment along the Coorong and they inform, that yes the current Government has slashed funds but last Liberal Government also did the same whilst buying up more land when they couldn't manage what they had.

The only thing I could add Phil, is if they can't afford to run the parks with the income from the permits then and I hate to say this, but they "should increase the fees" and do the job they have accepted by making these area's into parks. I don't believe any government Labour, Liberal, State or National should take on commitments that need the assistance of volunteers to keep it operating in a manor it should, These Volunteers in a way are just giveing whatever government an excuse to cut funding further, as their jobs are being done for them free of charge.

I guess to put it in simple terms, If people had a Volunteer to do their job, most certainly wouldn't be there.



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Follow Up By: The Original JohnR (Vic) - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:02

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:02
Interesting comment Blaze in regard to governments relying on volunteers. In Victoria, there are scores of health boards that rely on volunteers, from the Board level, to Meals on Wheels, to fund raising.

I am one of hundreds of people putting in more time on a totally voluntary basis in not-for-profit, than I did as a paid member in a listed environment. My colleagues on our Board, I have the highest regard for, just as I do for the fund raisers and the people taking meals to people daily in the community.

Rural communities rely on volunteers working along side paid people all along the way.

Phil is right in labelling the SA government as Des Lexic did above. They are cutting the budgets for health and many other rural services. You don't have to be in the state long to hear how hospitals have been closed in parts of your state. It is years since you crow eaters elected a Liberal state government with a decent majority, so it is hard to compare a recent history pattern.
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Follow Up By: Effie C (Ex NT now ACT) - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:15

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:15
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Member - Blaze posted:
I understand what your saying Phil,

Not to sure I could direct it just to the Rann/Foley Government, I have friends who are in Parks employment along the Coorong and they inform, that yes the current Government has slashed funds but last Liberal Government also did the same whilst buying up more land when they couldn't manage what they had.

The only thing I could add Phil, is if they can't afford to run the parks with the income from the permits then and I hate to say this, but they "should increase the fees" and do the job they have accepted by making these area's into parks. I don't believe any government Labour, Liberal, State or National should take on commitments that need the assistance of volunteers to keep it operating in a manor it should, These Volunteers in a way are just giveing whatever government an excuse to cut funding further, as their jobs are being done for them free of charge.

I guess to put it in simple terms, If people had a Volunteer to do their job, most certainly wouldn't be there.




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Follow Up By: Member - Blaze - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:40

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:40
Effie C,

We did think about this and discussed it, we are damed if we do and damed if we don't situation. I think we all know if we push to hard agains't government's. it is usually us that come off worse. :-) I just think if they are going to put up information boards, make them readable or remove them. If the boards hadn't been there at all it would have actually looked better than what now sticks out of the ground.



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Reply By: Bazooka - Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:03

Monday, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:03
One of the reasons these things lapse is because people don't express their dissatisfaction in writing to the responsible authority. Pointing out the value and importance of such things takes a little effort, but only marginally more than getting on a forum to have a whinge. Easy enough to do both. If you do it make sure you CC to the Minister's office. Politicians rarely get to that level of detail but they don't like to see such simple things being neglected by their departments, especially when it costs so little to fix the problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blaze - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:34

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:34
Hi Bazooka,

Guess you and Ruth are the ones that are seeing why I posted this, would have been easy to just complain amongst a few mates about the situation and ask for volunteers to go out there and repair them, my point for putting up the post was to express my dissatisfaction on this forum.

I have also sent emails to Department of Environment and Natural Resources and also to the Minister, seems by most of the replies to my post; I should have just done the Australian thing and complained around the campfire but not mention it publically.

I am at the moment hosting 3 exchange students, for 12mths and it is hoped that when I take them around places is Australia, points of interest can look a bit better than the signage at Dalhousie.


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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:57

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:57
Good on you for making the effort Blaze. Makes a nice change from the usual finger waving and irrational carry on. Let's hope you get a positive response - and action of course. Despite the impression one might get from many of the posts on here there are lots of hard working and responsible people in politics and government, but we rarely hear about them. Good luck and good travels.
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Reply By: Member - Ruth D (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:06

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:06
Blaze, thanks for pointing me in this direction. Now I totally agree with Bazooka - I wonder how many people are speaking out and going to the right poeple to listen.
It is not difficult to put together a letter - I am a great believer of going straight to the top when there is a query - and I mean to the Minister. He/she is not going to know unless you and I tell him/her.
If anyone wants assistance doing this email me and I will help them.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:39

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 17:39
Good point Blaze! I am aware the Friends of the desert are the ones who seem to action these on-the-ground tasks so it would be great to put pressure on the Desert Parks to see what portion of the permit goes to them for upkeep of the signs etc.

Please keep us informed if you get a response to your letters.

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