gas leak?
Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:36
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avidcamper
We have noticed a faint gas smell from near the main cylinder on our trailer. On the way home from a recent trip we called in to a caravan dealer/repairer for advice, and, wouldn't you know it, he was unable to detect any leaks (armed with a spray bottle of 'leak detector').
Since then, we have had friends confirm that they too can smell gas when we turn on the cylinder.
So ...... we live in the inner west area of
Sydney and are not sure where to go to have someone qualified check this out. Should we simply tow the trailer to any caravan dealer/repairer? Or should we go to a gas specialist somewhere?
Cheers,
avidcamper
Reply By: Member - John and Lynne - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:59
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:59
Gas leaks in vans and trailers are serious. It is easy to have an explosion - a gas cylinder makes a very effective bomb. We recently had problems with gas leaks in our van. Our van manufacturer sent us to a qualified gas fitter/plumber for help - we were in western Qld at the time. He did a good job on some of the problem but (because he was unfamiliar with vans), missed one hidden connection so we went through the same thing again later. Then we were in a bigger town and able to find a more experienced gas fitter who did a very thorough check. He pointed out that it was a miracle we hadn't blown up a whole campground! Our problem was essentially inferior quality fittings installed by the original gas fitters who installed the system in the van. These had cracked. This is not uncommon these days as fittings can come from anywhere and brass standards vary - to say the least!
So only a qualified fitter should work anywhere on gas and you would do
well to seek out one who knows something about trailer and van set ups. Good luck. Lynne
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:08
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:08
I certainly agree gas leaks need to be investigated and taken seriously! We are just a little unsure of where to find a qualified gas fitter .......
Thankyou for your timely advice!
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Reply By: tg123 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:14
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:14
Hi avid!
Quite possible that your dealer checked using soapy
water in his spray bottle - probably not sensitive enough to detect a very small leak - TRUST YOUR NOSE - best leak detector there is!!
Had the same problem with my camper a while back. Try the following: turn off cylinder, depressurise supply hose by turning on a gas appliance for a few seconds then undo the pol fitting that screws into the cylinder valve. Near the nose of this fitting is an o-ring. In my case it was damaged and once replaced there was no more gas smell. Spend a few cents on a replacement ring, replace pol fitting and check again, and again - you just can't be too careful with gas! Good luck!
Cheers
TG
BTW - if you're after a great leak detector a product called Snoop is available from your local Swagelok dealer - just Google Swagelok for nearest location.
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:10
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:10
Thankyou for your suggestions .... will see if it's the O-ring - hope it's that simple! I'll also have a look at the website you suggest and check out 'Snoop' ...... sounds good!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Bill BD - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:01
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:01
Can't agree about soapy
water TG, although it is better brushed on than sprayed. If there is a leak, no matter how small, it will bubble the soapy
water. Nose is good but it can't detect the exact place of the leak. I would be out there with detergent ,
water, and a paint brush checking each joint.
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:17
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:17
We'll get out there on the weekend armed with detergent,
water & paint brush as you suggest, Bill BD ........ thankyou.
We tried a quick check whilst
camping, then took it to the repairer .... no luck in tracing the leak then, but we'll try again with a brush instead of spray.
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2011 at 09:20
Tuesday, Oct 25, 2011 at 09:20
TG,
Just to say thankyou again - we did as you suggested & checked the O-ring. There was quite a bit of grit underneath it - the ring itself seems to be in good condition. We cleaned the ring & where it sits .... and now can't detect any gas smell. We will continue to monitor this, and also use the paintbrush/detergent/
water to check for any other possible leaks.
Anyway - so far, so good - thankyou!
Cheers,
avidcamper
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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:16
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:16
Hi,
Just a couple of things to check before spending too much money getting a gas fitter on the job.
1. Is the gas bottle nearly empty? The indicator gas used in the cylinders becomes quite evident when cylinders are nearly empty.
Straight LPG is almost odourless so an indicator gas is included as a safety measure in the manufacturing process.
2. When you open the cylinder tap do you open it completely? Failure to do so allows gas to escape out of the shaft of the tap.
There is a seal that comes into effect when the tap is completely open to prevent this gas leakage.
If neither of the above apply then you definitely need to have an experienced caravan gas fitter check your set-up out thoroughly
Hope this helps.
Disco.
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:14
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:14
Thankyou for your help - we'll check to see if the cylinder is nearly empty (although I don't think it is) - yes, we do open the cylinder tap completely, but will make doubly sure of this now that you mention the seal that comes into effect.
We will also check the O-ring as per previous reply.
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Reply By: Meggs - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:30
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 13:30
If you have a braided hose I would be very suspicious of that as I had similar and you had to slightly bend the connection near the fitting and it started to leak. I only started to have trouble when I changed bottles. I got a new hose while on the road but i would have much rather have got copper.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 21:07
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 21:07
I'll put my money on what Meggs suggested.
We were losing gas quickly, from 45kg cylinders, and it turned to be the braided hose. What surprised me was the age of the hose, maybe only 2 or 3 years old, but was in an exposed position, so must have deteriorated due to heat/sunlight.
Bob.
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Reply By: just a joe - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:37
Tuesday, Oct 18, 2011 at 20:37
hi ring a lic plumber and gas fitter, he will disconnect the gas bottles , turn your
gas appliances off at the gas values , put an inert gas through your lines ,at a higher presure, the cracked fittings or the gas lines will start to whistle,be very carefull
parking your van in a confined space (garage or shed) LPG AND OXYGEN can become a highly explosive mixture. im not an alarmist , this mixture only court me wonce in my working life' from justajoe
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Reply By: avidcamper - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 07:32
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 07:32
To everyone - thankyou for your help & suggestions regarding our gas leak.
I now realise that I forgot to include some vital information - we can only smell gas when the cylinder is turned on. It does not appear to be leaking all the time. And the smell seems to be coming from close to the cylinder, not under the trailer, nor inside.
We will be checking the o-ring on the weekend, as
well as testing with detergent,
water & a paint brush.
Cheers,
avidcamper
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Follow Up By: Meggs - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:39
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:39
And make sure you do what has been recommended, open the valve fully as they are backseating valves.
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:12
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:12
Will do Meggs - thankyou!
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 13:56
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 13:56
Good afternoon Avid Camper and other Oz people,
From the comments, what I have to say may be superfluous as most of you are probably aware that LPG is heavier than air and will move to the lowest area and then spread. The important thing is that the cylinder or cylinders are not in a place where an invisible puddle of gas will lay awaiting a spark. This is why so many boats end in flames and explosions as you tend not to want to have a hold in the bottom of your boat for leaking gas to escape. But having an outlet for leaking gas to disperse might be a live saver. Same applies to gas cylinders in car boots.
Yours tropically, Harry
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 13:59
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 13:59
Oops! For `..hold in the bottom of your boat...' read `..hole in....'
And `.. might be a life saver.'
H
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Follow Up By: avidcamper - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 16:48
Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 at 16:48
Thanks Harry,
Our trailer is not stored inside - no covered space for it unfortunately. It is actually parked on the street in front of our house ..... possibly not so good if it's leaking gas. However we can't detect any leaks at the moment - seems only to happen once the cylinder is turned on.
We are carefully monitoring it, though, being extremely safety conscious when it comes to gas!
Cheers
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