Burnt out vehicles on the CSR ( canning stock route )

Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 20:48
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I have some feed back on grass fires under 4x4 vehicles. All forums i have read talk about what to do when your rig is burning ?? Met an old boy last week with v8 100 series sahara petrol that has done the Canning four times. He has a chipped up 4.7 with a stainless twin system on it which I think would run super hot. He showed me underneath and the entire system was wrapped in Fiberglas / ceramic exhaust bandage. Bloody good idea I thought. You might like to share this on your forum. Ps : it was good to see a LC sahara Acually getting used off of the black top and getting amongst it.

Has anyone seen this before ? ( exhaust bandage ) not a bushed out sahara. Lol

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Reply By: Cruisevessel - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:05

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:05
We use to wrap our V8 exhaust headers with it years ago on our racecars. It stopped the starter motor getting tooooo hot
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:37

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:37
Gday
I have the front of my exhaust wrapped down as far as the first muffler to stop heat transfer into the front foot well.

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Reply By: Marcel H1 - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:56

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:56
Thanks for the replies,
I too have a 4.7 100 series and looking at the CSR July school holidays next year. If I don't wrap my whole system I will at least do the two cat's.
Heard too many horror stories.

GREY GHOST.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 05:36

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 05:36
Marcel
Do not forget a wire hook, and a super soaker water pistol just in case.
Spinafex seeds, ect have a sticky resin, which means that it can build up around chassis rails ect close to exhausts.
When you stop it's that heat that can cause ignition of the spinafex, and hence the problem. It can also ignite when you are travelling along.
We continuously checked under our vehicles, when we did the Canning in 2009. IN other words, every time you stop, check it. It is that simple

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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 06:56

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 06:56
Marcel,

Bucky is right on the money, grass around any moving parts under the vehicle is a problem.

Vehicles with protection plates around the front end tend to collect a lot of grass/ seed. Vehicles with independent front suspension are also at greater risk, because of more moving parts, This applies to both petrol and diesel vehicles.

Continually checking is the way to go plus keep to the track. By July the grass in the middle of the track should have been mowed down by other vehicles and as long as you don't park on the dry grass you should be OK.

Just another tip, put washing up soap in the water spray bottle. Soap will help as a wetting agent if you are required to put a fire out.

Might even see you on the track in July

Wayne
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:22

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:22
I note that both you, Wayne and Bucky mention a water spray thingumy. What advantage has a water pistol/spray can got over a 2Kg fire extinguisher like we carry?

Planning on driving the Canning one day.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 22:27

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 22:27
1. It's easily refillable
2. It can't get compacted almost solid by corrugations & not work.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:02

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:02
Jack Absalom had this one in one of his videos way back in the eighties.

Yes a wire hook is esential.

Old jack used to carry his sprayer that he used on his fruit trees.

and the reason why.

the sprayer has a long wand to get into places.

and the sprayer can be used time and time again.

As old jack said in the video...ya fire extinguisher might save you once...but what about 20 minutes down the road when you smell smoke again.

The fruit sprayer will work over and over again....AND wont make a mess.

Ever seen what 2KG of dry powder looks like out of the canister

Actually water is more effective on dry flamables than dry powder.

cheers
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:06

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:06
Jack Absalom had this one in one of his videos way back in the eighties.

Yes a wire hook is esential.

Old jack used to carry his sprayer that he used on his fruit trees.

and the reason why.

the sprayer has a long wand to get into places.

and the sprayer can be used time and time again.

As old jack said in the video...ya fire extinguisher might save you once...but what about 20 minutes down the road when you smell smoke again.

The fruit sprayer will work over and over again....AND wont make a mess.

Ever seen what 2KG of dry powder looks like out of the canister

Actually water is more effective on dry flamables than dry powder.

cheers
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:09

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:09
I was under the impression that the small power type extinguisher with the white stripe would not put out a spinifex fire as it can not get the temperature low enough and the power is too dissipated to compete against the strength of the increasing heat generated by the resin.

Prevention is probably the best idea!!!

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:13

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:13
Food for thought. Thanks

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 06:50

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 06:50
Wayne

Love the soap bit.
Makes good sence.
Should have thought of that myself, with my Dairy Industry, and cleaning background.


Cheers and thanks for the extra

Bucky
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 09:38

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 09:38
We always add liquid detergent to weed poison sprays for the same reason.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 09:45

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 09:45
What do you lot think about this one on ebay?

Water sprayer

Phil
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:31

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:31
5 litre preasure sprayer...just the thing, as long as its reliable and will hold preasure.

The last thing you need is to smell smoke and find ya sprayer wont go.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:46

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:46
At that price I may just get it and see. It should fit nicely on the floor behind the drivers seat. A handy spot vacated by piutting the water in a tank under the car. May even adda little non sudsing detergent or water softener. Don't want it to pressurise all the time through shaking from corrugations. I will see what happens. We have a few trips up into the Snowys before the Canning.

Thanks mate

Phil
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Reply By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 08:29

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 08:29
I remove all the protection plates from under the vehicle, to stop grass etc building up between the plates and underbody.

Helps with air flow around the transmission as well.

Never had an thing caught up under there on two trips down the CSR. And as stated above all of the growth in the middle of the track gets nocked down very early in the year.
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Reply By: Marcel H1 - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 18:15

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 18:15
Hi Bucky, Tony & Wayne,
Thanks for the heads up. Will definately take it on board.
Can't see my insurance company paying me out if it is destroyed out there.
cheers.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 19:44

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 19:44
""Can't see my insurance company paying me out if it is destroyed out there"" if they dont I would be changing insurance companys............As long as you have comprehensive insurance and you have read the fine print on the policy and there is nothing hidden then your safe. I know one insurance company who has been advertsing a heap here in Sydney and I wouldnt touch them, yes was $300 cheaper BUT AND BIG BUT the fine print and the crap they couldnt put straight to me was enough for me to keep away from them, for eg I have a carport and a garage, next to each other, attached as part of the house under main roof, if I locked the prado in the garage it was one price if I locked it in the carport it was another. A, ok so give me a price, Q, well where will it be parked, A, depends if wife gets home first she gets the garage, if I get home home first the same and vise versa the other person gets the carport, Q, so where will the prado be parked, A,either carport or garage, Q,we need a definate, and so on, told them they were friggin useless and dont ring me again..........................
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Reply By: Marcel H1 - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:42

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:42
Insurance companies,
Don't get me started : )
Drowned my 80 series back in 2004 heading back from camping close to where we lived up in the Pilbara. Started bucketing down with rain the night before and one of the last creek crossings nailed her.
Was fully insured but they didn't want to know : (
Even now with this fully insured LC if I hit a car in a shopping centre carpark ... Again unlucky.
Puts a whole new spin on ( fully insured hey )
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:17

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012 at 23:17
What did they say was the reason they knocked the claim back in the creek incident?

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 07:22

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 07:22
Tell me more !

Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 09:02

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 09:02
Marcel

I am not being smart. We are just about to renew both of the car's insurance and I need to make sure I have the actual conditions covered. A bit like making sure that we have the word "flood" defined properly so that they cannot knock back our claim is one is needed.

If you would prefer to contact me via email, then ask and I shall pass it over.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Marcel H1 - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 21:52

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 21:52
Hi phil,
Sorry mate been working away. Been looking for paperwork on insurance claim, was hoping it was in with 2004 tax.
No such luck. We vaguely remember some fine print saying if water damage had occoured at a floodway on the highway or back street etc. I would be covered. But because I did the righty and told the trueth ..... Racing through the bush trying to get off the flood plain to high ground, it wasnt in the (clause).
Wasn't a well known insurance company mind you.
But please read all paperwork.
P's seen some of Bucky's photos , looks awesome.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 07:20

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 07:20
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Can't wait to go back and do it all again, with soapy wayer in my "super soaker"

Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 19:01

Friday, Jan 13, 2012 at 19:01
Slightly off topic, but do diesels self immolate like petrols? I realise diesel is harder to ignite than petrol, but can a hot diesel exhaust ignite spinifex which then ignites the diesel fuel?
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