Halls Creek to Wiluna via CSR ? Not Possible (Never has been)

Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:13
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I keep reading about people travelling from Halls Creek to Wiluna, or from Wiluna to Halls Creek, via the CSR. This is simply not possible.

The CSR either begins at Billiluna and ends at Wiluna, or begins at Wiluna and ernds at Billiluna, then everyuone must travel on the Tanami, go past the Wolfe Creek Crater turn off (Caranya), and through Ruby Plains Cattle Station, to get to the Great Northern Highway, then twenty kilometres of bitumen to get to Halls Creek. Obviously this is reversed of going south.

Even the original Halls Creek is a bit out on the Duncan Highway, which is not close to the Tanami or the CSR. The original CSR ended well short of Billiluna, at Drafting yards where cattle were delivered by drovers, then the cattle were pushed down the CSR to go to market.

I just thought it was a fact that should be pointed out. I am not looking to start a controversy, or have a debate, just stating a fact.

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Reply By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:26

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:26
I think you are reading to much into peoples comments regarding travelling the CSR from north to south and where they actually start on the CSR
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Follow Up By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:33

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:33
Hi Tony
I understand what you are saying, though I am merely stating that it is not possible to travel the CSR from Halls Creek. I am not making any comment about anything else here, just about the CSR and where is actually starts and ends.
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:22

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:22
Hi Marc

Be careful. Facts have no place on this forum... :-)
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 21:39

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 21:39
Does it realy matter.

Last time I went to Surfers when asked which way I was coming home to Canberra, I said via the Pacific highway. Not one person questioned it.

But when you consider that the Pacific Highway terminates in Sydney and does not come anywhere near Canberra then I was inaccurate. But who cared.

Same with the CSR. If someone was to say that they drove from Wiluna to Halls Creek via the CSR it's obvious that the Tanami had to be used as were the Hume and Federal Highways were used on my return to Canberra.

One day I hope to drive from Canberra to Canberra via the CSR. That is a fact.

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Reply By: equinox - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11
I think you may be talking about the Wiluna to Kimberley Stock Route.

Here's a couple of old maps that may be of interest.

Wiluna to Kimberley Stock Route Sheet 1

Wiluna to Kimberley Stock Route Sheet 4

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Follow Up By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:20

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:20
Hi Alan

I know the road you are talking of, but I am actually talking about the Canning Stock Route. I live in Mulan, we frequently travel through back tracks to the Canning Stock Route, then up to Billiluna, on to the Tanami and into Halls Creek.

There is another parallel road, which comers off the Tanami, through Madigan Station, and down to Christmas Creek (Wangkatjungka Aboriginal Community) and Bohemia Downs Cattle Station (which has Kuptiya Aboriginal Community on their land).

I have done both roads on numerous occasions.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:24

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:24
Might have gone through to the keeper that one!!!! I'm only stirring the pot Marc - don't worry about me!!!


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Follow Up By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:26

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:26
Cheers Alan, have a great day. Marc
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:57

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:57
I am pretty sure the CSR starts (or ends, whatever) at Wiluna. Indeed Well 1 is just a hop from Wiluna

Whatever the formal route is, in my mind the CSR starts around Well one and ends areound Well 52. When we travelled from Wiluna to Halls Creek we did it via these wells, so I guess we travelled via the CSR
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Reply By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 13:42

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 13:42
Image Could Not Be FoundImage Could Not Be FoundG'day Marc

Great to read your words on the Forum, I totally agree with you and undrestand the need to correct the mis information that can eventually be seen as the correct information and again a slice of historic fact will be lost.

Oddly enough the smarter we think we are becoming ~ the less caring we seem to be about the past and the recording of history, no matter how trivial it seems.

A totally irrelevant (to me) as what a rotten mine is, this classic Blunder is on a very recent addition to the Newman township revitalization program, this being part of a $216000 ~ yes ~ two hundred and sixteen thousand dollars worth of in your face "Information Bay" up grade, sadly one though of proof reading anything before it was consigned to the printers and on to the touring public eager for information.

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Follow Up By: landseka - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 15:28

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 15:28
I THINK you are saying Telfer is spelt wrongly???

I have no idea what your last paragraph means, sorry.

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Follow Up By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 17:39

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 17:39
G'day Neil

I trust you won't be offended with my reply because I do not send this reply with malice.

So you think Telfer is spelt wrongly ~ well mate anyone who desires to travel to the Rudall River National Park or to any part of the Great Sandy Desert ~ will KNOW instantly that they have spelt Telfer incorrectly.

My point in inserting the actual image and the "mis-understood" paragraph is to highlight how easy it is for mistakes to be taken as being correct.

The mega dollar information bay is brand new, costing a grand total of $216000 the information portrayed for the travelling public to read and possibly make use of in their journey away from this point, has some glaring mistakes.

The mere fact that so much money is spent on an establishment that is supposed to aid the tourist/traveller on a safe journey, has been built and made open for the public to use and NO ONE in the brains trust that conjured the whole idea up and possibly saw it through to its opening, took the time to check to see if all the information was 100% correct ~ simply staggers me.

If the incorrect information is allowed to remain unchanged or unchallenged, this incorrect information may well become accepted and passed on to be true and correct and it just might be the insignificant little thing that changes the history of Telfer at some point in the distant future.

The incorrect spelling of Telfer is purely an example, I could have uploaded more images of klangers and there are several that are more relevant to the rate paying householders who actually call Newman home, but I know they will simply shake their heads with disappointment or possibly even have a good laugh because they know how this towns "Luminaries" operate.

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Reply By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 14:10

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 14:10
Hi Guys

The CSR started at Old Halls Creek although Canning built it from Wiluna upwards; hence Well 1 is at the southern end.

Just because Well 52 is the last well that isn't the end of the CSR. Canning and later the drovers followed a line of pools along Sturt Creek etc taking them to Flors Valley (old) and then Old Halls Creek.

In the 1929 Snell and 1930 Canning refurbished the CSR wells. Just as Canning was finishing the work there was an epidemic of pluero. The govt then banned all cattle movement down the CSR except for those from Billiluna.
So from the early 1930s Billiluna cattle were gathered at a place called Delivery Camp north of W52, and then driven down the CSR. Because the last 30 years of droving was only from Billiluna area most people have gotten to think the CSR starts at Well 52.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 18:42

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 18:42
Phil,
You took the words right out of my keyboard

If the powers that be built a four lane highway (unlikely..lol) from Halls Creek to say well 50 with a roadhouse at the well 50 end would this mean that now the CSR starts at well 50. Maybe to some but to me the CSR as it was originally constructed (if that's the right term) is what constitutes this iconic track.


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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:45

Thursday, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:45
Hi

Just for fun here is a map showing the gazetted stock route from Old Halls Creek to Billiluna..Image Could Not Be Found

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PS: Basemap is Hema Great Desert Tracks - Nth Central over which I have laid the CSR boundary.
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Thursday, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:10

Thursday, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:10
Thanks Greg
The scale of my maps didn't let me show the detail as this one does.

This nicely shows the easement following the line of pools, hence no need for Canning to construct further wells.

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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 14:18

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 14:18
If anyone wanted to drive from Halls creek to Wiluna of course it's possible to go VIA the CSR. You are simply reading too deeply into the previous post Marc as I couldn't see where anyone was actually saying the Stock Route started at Halls Creek rather that's where they were starting that part of there trip.
Semantics.... the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.: Let's not argue about semantics.

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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 14:41

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 14:41
Marc. Think the issue is that you misunderstandwhat via means. I can go from Melbourne to Perth via Collins St. But I am not saying Collins St goes all the way to Perth.
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Reply By: BarryR1 - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 16:49

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 16:49
I like to travel home from Canberra to Sydney on the Federal.Well technically it's the hume for a good section but everybody knows what I mean. Who bloody cares. It's perfectly legitimate to travel from Wiluna to Halls Creek via the CSR and to call it that. Purely pedantic semantics or attention seeking again is more like it. P.S. We know where you live....you tell us every time.

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Reply By: Member - Walter H (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 17:14

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 17:14
I also think your reading to much into it as im sure the majority of travellers are well aware of where the CSR starts and finishes for Halls Creek and Wiluna are used as reference points as these are the last ports of call where one can obtain last minute supply's and fuel...

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Follow Up By: lindsay - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 18:23

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 18:23
I know the pastoral map of W.A. and it shows the Canning Stock Route goes up the lakes as Phil B says, up through Sturt Creek,Flora Valley and then heads North West through the Ord River Regeneration Reserve and then to Halls Creek. Stll shown on map dated August 2011.
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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 18:59

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2012 at 18:59
Hi to all of you involved in this discussion, I hope this finds you well.
It's totally incompressible to see reason for the cost of that sign of misinformation, even if it was correct Spelling.
There is a very good joke on the E.O. Friday funnies !
It highlights the effect that misspelling in history can cause chaos in the future!!
I love it but can't think of its title.

It involves new Monks having to check records for mistakes.
We aren't going to get into a religious , pot stirring or indecent debate!
It's just a good laugh & laughter is the best medicine!

Marc, we didn't catch up with Kevin but we think we may have passed him on way to McGowan's Island.
It turned out to be a very rushed trip but well worth doing. Things were hectic where he lives. Thanks anyway.
Take care, safe travels.
Bye for now, Ma.
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