Is this a sensible idea?

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:27
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I am in the market for a 4WD Diesel to tow a 20ft Caravan with all the extras which, of course, adds on the weight. These extras include bathroom/toilet, solar power, etc..

I would like to purchase a 4 cylinder turbo charged 4WD and have seen a few, with very good bodies and interiors, out there in the market place for around $10,000 but I am aware that you get what you pay for. My original budget on a vehicle was $15,000 so I would have $5,000 to spend on the 4WD to get it into tip top order.

Any suggestions on the make and model of vehicle I should be looking at including the possibility of me going for a twin cabin ute rather than the normal 4WD?
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Reply By: flappan - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:04

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:04
Something like a TD Pajero will tow it, but it will be slow , very.

I would be looking at more like a GQ Patrol. These would happily slug along towing that sort of weight all day. Might be able to pick up a TD 4.2 in that budget.
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:15

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:15
To tow a 20ft van around you really need a 6cylinder diesel/petrol that has the towing capacity and braking power. The bigger vehicles come with bigger radiators and therefor run cooler as well. Your van will most likely weigh 2 ton or more.

In the market for about $10,000 you should look at the last model 60 series Toyota Landcruiser Diesel 2H around 1988/89. They were the last of their series and a very good build. I don't think that you will pick up an 80 series Landcruiser for that price.

You may also go for a Nissan Patrol diesel but they have 10 less kilowatt output than the Toyota.

If you do go down the path of a 4 cylinder turbocharged vehicle you might experience overheating problems and excessive fuel consumption.

Hope this helps and happy hunting.

Cheers,

Hope this info is of valueWillem

Always going somewhere
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Reply By: Member - Bob - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:24

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:24
I agree with the recommendation to look for a full size vehicle. Not just for the power, but also because I doubt a 4 cyl vehicle will be legally able to tow your van. Bob
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Reply By: Brendon - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:52

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:52
You will probably find that a 20ft van is above the rated tow capacity of a 4cyl 4WD anyway. With extras you mention, you are looking at a heavy van. You need to find out the van weight and match that to the car. Towing needs to be easy, not a drag. Plenty of people are turned off caravanning because of a bad experience with poor setups. Also, if your van is heavier than rated towing weight you take a risk of a claim being denied on your insurance policy in an accident. I have towed a van with a 2.2L Turbo Diesel Courier and it is sluggish. Anything over 17ft would be a struggle. If you shop around, you can score an older model full size 4WD in good condition for under $10,000. Bottom line is; I would not tow that size van with less than a full size car. If I was limited to a mid size car, I would buy a smaller van. Good luck
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Reply By: jeff-wa - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:09

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:09
Daihatsu Rocky 2.8td Intercooled, would be in the price range, towing capacity of 2t, went over a weigh bridge in mine with a furniture trailer and we were just a tad of 4 tonne, still did 90km without trying. Tare wight of 2.1T, trailer didn't even kick over bumps, Temp never ever ever went over half, even when I flogged the guts out in sand in 40degree heat.
Landrover Discovery, 3t rating for tow, 2.5l TD. Could pick one up in that price range with higher k's. 4cly deisals are under rated. Plenty of good ones out there.
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Reply By: Member - Alan- Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 14:26

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 14:26
My Td5 Defender tows a 1.5 Tonne plus van with no problems at all. The 300 Tdi Discovery I had previously did a good job as well. But I really think I'd like a bigger engine if going up to 3 or more tonne, although I've never towed anything that heavy.
Russel at ARB in Osbourne Park says that their Td5 Discovery pulls a their 3 tonne trailer to shows with no problems.
The decision is yours, but more weigth the bigger engine is better in my view.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 23:41

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 23:41
Towing is nothing.......you can tow virtuyally anything as long as you can get it rolling. Towing it safely is something else.

I towed a dual axle trailer weighing 1700kgs all up from Surfers Paradise to Darwin via Charters with a Suzuki LJ 50 2 stroke. It took 9 days and I rarely got out of 3rd gear. Had some scary moments along the way. BTW this was in 1977 before every legislator and his dog was on the road. On another occasion I towed a 2.5ton Franklin Caravan from Broome to Perth via Monkey Mia with a 2 litre Ford Courier 2wd. Was either trip safe...No, I would say....so towing a 3 ton trailer with a TD5 does not sound safe either.

If you are going to tow a heavy caravan/trailer then use a big 6 or V8 4x4.

Cheers,
Willem

Always going somewhere
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross - Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 19:39

Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 19:39
Interesting observations ... as always Willem. But check the rated (legal) towing capacities of all vehicles. You may be in for a wee surprise.Fidei defensor

Rosco
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Dec 19, 2003 at 00:34

Friday, Dec 19, 2003 at 00:34
As always....Ross,
Then there are the towing regs for every state i.e the towing capacity should not exceed one and a half times the unloaded mass of the towing vehicle.

Anyway...another story....I stopped at the Katherine NT weighbridge to check the weight of my rig. I thought that the weighbridge was deserted but a little bloke came running out of the building shouting that my van weighed 3.5 ton and my towball as only rated at 1600kg and, and, and..............At that precise moment a road train came in to be weighed and he asked that I remove myself from the weighbridge. I continued on my journey without stopping.

But he was right, as a month later, after towing this overladen van, some 100,000km overall, the towball snapped off and the result was a severley dented rear door on the Landcruiser.

So it goes to prove.....................
Willem

Always going somewhere
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Reply By: GOB member vic - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 21:04

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 21:04
howdy people

dont forget the ball weight also as every vehicle seems to have a different rating
gobimagine a 03 gu 4.2tdin the picture
as i am having trouble sizing the picture
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Reply By: Brian - Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18

Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 07:18
I'd be thinking along the lines of "Do I want to be cruisin' along with my van behind or have to work hard behind the wheel to get where I'm going?"

You'll find a good GQ Patrol in that price range with a 4.2 Diesel and (arguably) the strongest drive train in the game. Big, strong and reliable, which is what I would want for a towing holiday!

Just my opinion
Cheers
Brian
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Reply By: simon - Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:35

Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:35
Hi am helping a friend find a simular vechile in that price range
here are a few examples of what you will get for that for of money.

Cheers

Landcruiser HJ60 1988 4 litre turbo diesel 5 speed, bull-bar, towbar, driving lights, rola roof racks, air, CD player, tints, 33in BFG AT's, rego 10/2004, good condition, PZJ-846, $10000 MUSWELLBROOK 0414-77 1149

Toyota Landcruiser Diesel 11/1989, 160000kms, air, steer, excellent condition, reluctant sale, $12000, WYZ-924 BLACKSMITHS 02-4971 4971

Toyota Landcruiser Diesel 11/1989, 160000kms, air, steer, excellent condition, reluctant sale, $12000, WYZ-924 BLACKSMITHS 02-4971 4971

Landcruiser 60 Series Diesel, 5 speed, reconditioned everything, reg 4/2004, $5900 or near offer, UOU-617 ANNA BAY 02-4982 2021

Toyota Landcruiser Sahara diesel 1985, sunroof, bull/towbar, reg 4/2004, NPJ-753, excellent condition, $10500 negotiable MORISSET 02-4977 1553

Defender Wagon TDI 1992 2.5 Turbo diesel, 5 seat wagon, ready work or pleasure, great truck, SQY-442, $11850 DL-9386 Paul Skewes Land Rover BROADMEADOW 02-4927 6622
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Reply By: Old Jack - Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 13:06

Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 13:06
Don't let them make you think you need a 6 cylider to tow a two tonne van, plent of the larger 4 cylinder turbo diesel are more than capable of doing the job, as for weight ans braking most of the older nissan's and toyotas are not that fantastic in the brakes department to start with. the later model 2.8 hilux with a turbo, 2.8 turbo rodeo, 3.1TD jackaroo or 3.0lt TD jackaroo would perform well also. the Landrover 2.5 turbo diesel tows well and has good brakes and outstanding . with most of these wether towing or not you will on average use far less fuel than say a 4.2 nissan of 4 lt toyota diesel.
someone put up the rocky turbo diesel.... basically the same motor & gearbox as 2.8 hilux with turbo added.

Happy hunting
jack
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Reply By: Member - Des Lexik(SA) - Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 14:02

Thursday, Dec 18, 2003 at 14:02
I am of the opinion that the vehicle towing a trailer should be at least as heavy as the trailer being towed. When it comes to stopping the van in an emergency, the weight of the towed vehicle will take over control of the tow vehicle. Electric brakes should assist in stopping but if they don't work for any number of reasons, your in the bleep e. (from personal experiance) The 60series or the patrol would be more suited to the work for your budget.ne cede malis
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