Sat phones...again

I'vve been given a link to a Sat phone model:

IsatPhone Pro by Inmarsat

The retailers say:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Global coverage
Robust handset
Clear voice quality
Reliable network connection
Long battery life
Easy to use

From $725.00 – no monthly fee
Pre Paid credits last 2 years
100 hour battery life
8 hours talk time
$10 once off connection fee
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I'm not covertly advertising this product - I will look at one tomorrow at the retailer but wondered if there are any hidden pitfalls with this - $725 seems very cheap for a sat phone
Thanks
Geo

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Reply By: cookie1 - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:45

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:45
Inerested in what you find
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Reply By: dean e - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:54

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:54
I think the only pitfall is the inability to be able to contact 000 emergency. But for the price this is a small compromise I would think.
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 13:20

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 13:20
That seems about the price for the IsatPhone. I have been looking at them for a while now and when the big trip comes around I will be getting one. You can actually get it cheaper in the USA. I have seen them as low as $650 with a hard carry case and accessory pack. Just make sure you program all the emergency numbers into your phone since 000 does not work.
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Follow Up By: 222 - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 13:26

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 13:26
Hi Troll 81

I wonder if you know of a site that gives all the RFDS etc emergency landline numbers? There was one on blog tc.com.au but it's been removed.

Thanks for the reply - I think I'll probably just buy one.

Geo
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 13:35

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 13:35
No sorry mate I don't have anything but I know there will be others here with the correct information.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:19

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:19
Geo and Troll 81,

If you look in the Members File Swap area of EO under the Radio and Communications tab there is an Excel spread sheet for key Emergency contact numbers throughout Aust. You may need to be a member to read it though.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:40

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:40
Yes Kev, I downloaded and carry the comprehensive list provided by ExplorOz in the Members File Swap area but as you say, it is necessary to be a member to access it. It's one of the benefits of membership of ExplorOz.

As a courtesy to the OP, 222, I searched Google for a list. There were several rather pitiful lists but the one I liked best ("A Backpackers Guide") included Dominos, Pizza Haven, and the Taxation Office in their meagre listing. The very numbers you would need when in serious trouble! LOL

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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 14:46

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 14:46
I have one, and coverage so far has been good and connection to the satellites usualy takes only a couple of minutes. I had some problems with clarity at times but one other person in the group I was travelling with had one also and he had no problems at all.

Great thing is that there are no plans and calls etc are by prepaid minutes and if you want to top up that can be done by a simple phone call or text.

Calls aren't cheap but you can get text and those ringing you don't have to pay anywhere near as much as you do to dial out.

If you want the car kit that is expensive (as they all are) at over $1000.

One down side is that the phone doesn't support any 000 or similar emergency call options. So in an emergency you have to go via a 3rd party or have a direct number to the local coppers or RFDS etc.



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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:05

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:05
"Calls aren't cheap but you can get text and those ringing you don't have to pay anywhere near as much as you do to dial out. "

How much is it for someone to dial you (how much do they get charged).

How much is it for you to make a call.

Most of the satellite phone plans that can't dial local 000 and most 13, 1300 and 1800 numbers use overseas based carriers...... making it VERY expensive for someone to phone your satellite phone (most are based on overseas satellite call rates of up to $20.00 per minute).

Our Iridium satellite phone call rates for us to dial out including direct 000, 13, 1300 and 1800 numbers is $1.00 per minute and for someone to dial us it's the cost of a standard mobile phone call..... our satellite phone uses a standard mobile number..... not a 30 digit one.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:58

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:58
I think you will find that the Iridium service provided by Telstra is actually $1.175 per 30 seconds (Not per minute) plus a Call Connection Fee of $0.50. But yes, inward callers are charged at standard mobile phone rates.

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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:31

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:31
I was told that to call an isatphone pro on Inmarsat would cost the caller around $17 a minute. The guy from MGL told me this. He said it is best for people wanting to give you a message to hop onto the website and send you a free SMS so that you can call them back. It makes sense because I wouldn't have the sat phone on all the time anyway.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 13:10

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 13:10
Alan who said I'm with Telstra.... there is more then one Iridium reseller.

Telstra like most things they do charge to much and only naive people would use them!

This is who we use :-

http://www.pivotel.com.au/iridium_plans.html.

Calls to a Telstra Iridium service from a Telstra landline would be charged at
Connection fee 36.36¢ + GST
Call charge (per 1 minute ) $1.45 + GST

Calls to a Pivotel Iridium service from a Telstra landline would be charged at
Connection fee 45¢ + GST
Call charge (per 1 minute ) 36¢ + GST

Remember Telstra and Pivotel Iridium service providers phone services are classed as Australian based and do not attract international satellite call charges, most (not all) other satellite service providers are classed as overseas.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 16:14

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 16:14
Steady Ocoolone, I was just quoting the normal Telstra charges as I understood them. I have all my phone, email and internet, both business and private, with Telstra and, far from being naive, because of the bundling, I have negotiated a very economical overall rate with them. In other circumstances, Pivotel could be a competitive alternative.
But do try not to let your cognitive biases draw you into derogatory labelling and gratuitous verbal abuse such as name-calling.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 18:47

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 18:47
And what did you call me Allan in a post about inverters and me not being an electrician?

Practice what you preach!

As I said naive people..... Guilty Conscience ?
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 19:10

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 19:10
Olcoolone, I never refer to you or anyone by derogatory names or terms.

In the post you refer (94959) I said "I cannot imagine that Oldcoolone has appropriate electrical qualifications when he makes the expressions that he does."
That does not cast aspersions on you as a person. It merely says that I did not believe you were electrically qualified, and you then confirmed that you were not qualified.

On the other hand you said that I was a "k**b", a term that I consider quite offensive. Now you infer that I am "naive". Be careful mate. Criticise people's expressions by all means but stop with the name-calling.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:15

Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:15
Allan it was not directed at you and if you take it offensively I am truly sorry and feel for you.

Your reference to post 94959 I like some others found it uncalled for and the way you harped on about qualifications was a bit disrespectful to all parties involved.

As your more then aware Telstra is a company who charges too much for most of their services however we have our 10 mobile phones with them (best coverage) and our 8 business ISDN lines ......

But for internet, or fax line at work and our home line we use another company because they saved us over 40% based on what Telstra could offer..... our Telstra business manager was speechless.

For our satellite phones we have two with Pivotel Iridium and one on the Optus Mobile Sat network...... out of the two, the Optus network leaves Iridium for dead.

So Allan the bantering on forums is I would say less offensive then the local pub or what's on TV.

If I used the word stupid or dumb instead of naive then I would have to agree with you but I didn't make no mention of you Allan being naive directly... only a general assumption.

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Reply By: cityslicker - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 14:54

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 14:54
I bought one a few weeks ago and have no complaints. It can take a little while to get a gps fix (maybe 20 - 30 seconds) and then hooks up to the satellite quickly and with strong signal. We were in northern SA when using.

I think the RFDS website has contact numbers. I also look up local police/hospital etc. numbers for the location we are going.
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Reply By: Member - MIKE.G - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:04

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:04
Hi Geo. Bought one of these last year to do the western deserts - worked a treat - both phone and text. No big deal not having access to 000 as all you do is program the RFDS numbers (from memory there are about 12 numbers to cover the whole country) and any police or hospitals that are in the area you are travelling. All up to date numbers are available on the net. A sturdy compact hassle free unit.

Cheers,

Mike
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Reply By: Member - Graeme F (INT) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:41

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:41
I bought one for our Oz trip last winter and have used it back here in NZ when I am in the back country fishing...I reckon the cost is quite reasonable and of course it works anywhere...no plans ..just top up online when you need to ..perfect...in fact I am still using my original airtime..it's not as if you use it all the time..

I also take it out in the boat when we go fishing...cell coverage over here runs out after about 6 miles out to sea so its nice to know if I need to make a call I can.
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Reply By: R.J.W. - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:53

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:53
The car kit sells for about $1600.00. I have ordered but not recieved a magnetic antenna with lead for about $300.00 (satellitephonesales.com.au).Will make the unit alot more user friendly. They don't work very well in cars or houses, needs to see clear sky. Check out the governments subsidy as well. I got mine for $123.00 but not too hard to get the Gov to pay 45 % Cheers Rob
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 16:53

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 16:53
The 2 year pre paid finishes in July this year there is a thread on here somewhere with the details
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 07:00

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012 at 07:00
From a thread on another forum.

***PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT AS OF 1 JUNE 2012, INMARSAT WILL BE REDUCING ITS PRE-PAID EXPIRY TERMS FROM 2 YEARS TO A MUCH SHORTER TERM. IT IS NOT CLEAR AT PRESENT EXACTLY WHAT THIS WILL BE, BUT PURCHASES OBTAINED PRIOR TO THIS DATE WILL STILL CARRY THE TWO YEAR EXPIRY, PROVIDED THE UNITS ARE APPLIED TO THE HANDSET BY 31 DECEMBER 2012***

Later posts suggest it is as short as 30 days.

Also be aware that you can't dial, 000, 13 numbers, 1800 numbers.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:31

Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:31
That may be a pain. But if all we have to do is drop $30 in the prepaid just before a remote trip that's still okay. I know we are talking about saving money on an emergency system and usually we say "What price a life!". But why should we spend $20 a month for a whole year for a service that we may only use four or five weeks a year.

We shall see what comes out of the fog! Almost as bad a trying to figure who is the better liar to NOT vote for in an election.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:30

Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:30
That's true Phil.

How many call minutes would you get for $30? And do you know if you can top up immediately over the air if you run out?

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:45

Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:45
I do not know the exact figure. I believe its less than 1.50 a minute. That's plenty for us as we never use the phone. If someone calls us they have been told when I give them the number that they pay and its their problem. If we run low for an emergency the kids can go between or even get the emergency mob to call us. We ONLY use it for an emergency. No chit chat. That can wait until we get home.

So for $30 I would guess more then 17 minutes. Unknown if you can top up on the phone/air. They want your money so I think that there would be a way.

Phil.
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Reply By: Ray 3 - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 16:53

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 16:53
They or a phone like them are for sale at the Sydney Supershow this week, the price was similar so I presume it's the same one.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 18:36

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 18:36
$699 with the carry bag and chargers plus 20 credits. MGL communications. The pre paid time limit drops drastically from July this year, probably to 2 mths. I bought one and got credits because credits bought before july last 2 years.
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Reply By: Member - Michael P (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 18:10

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 18:10
Geo,
When in Tasmania recently tried mine out to see what the coverage was like.

No different to anywhere else in Aus. that I have used it worked perfectly at Cockle Creek I was out in clear ground as anywhere that I tried it.

There was a suggestion that as the Isat Pro reads A sat over the equator that coverage was not available in the southern areas of Aus.

Very satisfied with mine.

Regards Mike.

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Reply By: rainbowprof - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 20:02

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 20:02
you can also receive free (short) emails on the isatphone sent to your phone number. !3- numbers and 1800 numbers don't work
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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Di T (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 21:48

Tuesday, Apr 24, 2012 at 21:48
Has worked perfectly for us. A relatively inexpensive way to ensure your safety.

Cost us less too.

Di
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Reply By: 222 - Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 13:13

Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 13:13
I just got back from Altrack Adelaide with mine - $725 and $90 odd dollars for the 100 units of time that lasts 2 years

I know its not the cheapest but I prefer to buy locally when I can.

Thanks very much for all the replies
Cheers

Geo
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