Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 17:04
Hi Craig,
I've got the same vehicle but a GXL. Put the turbo on at 80,000kms and the intercooler more recently. Vehicle has now done 163,000kms. I fitted a 2.5 inch exhaust system at the same time.
I've had no problems with the turbo (AXT in
Melbourne - supplied and fitted) and when it was first fitted, the dyno showed a 30-40% improvement in the power and torque areas - you'll feel the difference! The boost was set at about 6-8psi and fuel economy didn't change much from the pre-install figure of about 13l/100kms.
The intercooler I installed myself late last year and there was a further gain in both power and torque (probably about 10-15% on top of the turbo figures). The boost was increased to about 12-15psi. It's a bit hard to know the exact improvement from the intercooler as the vehicle was dyno tuned by a different company MTQ (they also do turbos and might have several outlets in WA). Suffice to say that after a trip to the
Simpson Desert where I though the vehicle was getting a bit sluggish - even back to pre-turbo performance, and after a changeover of injectors and a resetting of the fuel pump + the intercooler, the truck nearly doubled in KW's and jumped 50% in torque to over 300NM from its drive in condition at MTQ. I'm pretty should the fuel was tweaked up a fair bit because the fuel economy has taken a hit, but this could also be partly due to the fact that the weight of the vehicle has increased a fair bit with time as I've added heaps of extra after market accessories over the years (see picture for current rig). The fuel economy now is around 15l/100kms with the roof rack on.
Costs: AXT turbo + 2.5 inch mandrel bend exhaust was around $3,500 supply, fitting and dyno tune. AXT use a Garrett, water cooled turbo.
MTQ costs quite a bit more and use a Mitsubishi turbo - but their service is excellent. I believe the MTQ turbo kicks in much earlier (about 1500-1600 rpm) than the AXT turbo (about 1800-2000 rpm) but I was after the increased power/torque for highway driving rather than accelerating from a stopped position so I'm OK with the slower pickup. You might want a differentconfiguration - something to investigate further?
I also fitted a pyro and boost gauge into a pillar pod to keep an eye on temperatures and boost. I was very suprised to see how quickly the temperature climbs under load with the current configuration - gets up to 500-550C very easily! Gauges were sourced in USA for about $250 delivered and pillar pod about $100 in Australia. I think ARB might have the pods but you can get them on eBay as
well. Labour for installing the intercooler and gauges was zero as I don't charge for my own time so you'll have to factor in about a day's work - say another $1,000 to install these.
Hope the above helps and good luck with the upgrade.
Cheers
Rob K
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Follow Up By: WBS - Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 19:18
Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 at 19:18
I'm just confirming what Rob K has written. My experiences are much the same as he has described regarding AXT and MTQ. Just a note regarding my AXT turbo. I had to replace my turbo after about 25000km which was about 3 years after fitting, because it developed an oil leak. That cost me an additional $1500 as it was out of the warranty period. I added a pyrometer and a 2.5 inch exhaust also fitted by AXT but did not fit a boost gauge. That improved the low end torque a little bit.
In my opinion:
The after market turbo makes a difference but not as much as I thought it would, especially when towing my caravan. In hindsight, I should have bought a factory fitted turbo vehicle at the outset. Aftermarket turbos are a compromise. The 1HZ motor is old technology , very reliable old technology but old none the less, and not as good as the IHD-FTE motor. There is no comparison in performance. Don't go in thinking you'll get jaw dropping extra power. Be realistic and realise there is a moderate improvement before you invest $3500 or so.
WBS
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Friday, Apr 27, 2012 at 07:35
Friday, Apr 27, 2012 at 07:35
I use a EGT guage that has an alarm. When the EGT's start to get too much, usually on long highway hills, it gives me(or anyone else driving the car) a nice warning to backoff. What is interestring is you only need to back of a couple of km/hr to see a large drop in EGTs.
FYI, I got 96 Rear Wheel Kilowatts when I dyno'd
mine after fitting a Safari Turbo/Intercooler kit with 3" exhaust.
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser74 - Friday, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:40
Friday, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:40
Hi Rob, WBS and Mr Pointyhead!,
Thanks heaps for your wealth of knowledge and information on the subject. There is some really valuable information amongst your responses which I really appreciate. WBS, the link to the graph below would indicate that what you are saying about performance is correct.....not jaw dropping but enough to make a fairly big difference. A difference I would happily settle for!
http://www.mikevineturbochargers.com.au/4installation_diesel.html#dyno04
Good info also on MTQ vs AXT and also exhaust systems and gauges. Lots to consider here that I had not taken into account earlier so many thanks again.
Craig
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Friday, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:57
Friday, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:57
Another important thing to remember is the R151 gearbox you have is not the strongest gearbox in the world. With the Turbo/intercooler you will be tempted just to leave it in 5th gear all the time (As I did/do). With the Turbo and intercooler I can drive up the Pentland Hills on the Western freeway out of
Melbourne at 110 Km/Hr in 5th gear.
However, I have been warned that you should not use 5th gear under about 80 Km/Hr to get the best life out of the R151 gearbox. And things like going up the Pentland hills at 110 in 5th is not the best for the gearbox.
In my case I actually managed to wearout 5th gear as most of my driving is highway .
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