HZJ105R Gearbox
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Old dog
I'm looking seriously at buying a Cruiser with only 111,000 Klms on the clock, it's 2004 but I read somewhere that the gearboxes are a bit light on. Can anyone fill me in please.
Reply By: GrumpyOldFart - Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:51
Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:51
Old Dog
yes they are a light duty box.
I have an 04 HZJ105R and tow a Trak Shak camper BUT never in 5th.
Treat it nice, don't lug it, i.e. change down early and it should give you years of service. Mines done just on 200,000km.
If you want to tow a 3 tonne caravan maybe join LCOOL and look at how to do the conversion from the R151 box to the H150 box.
Oh, the factory turbo diesel and the petrol 100/105's have the heavier box. Seems the !HZzzzzzzz doesn't have enough power to need the stronger box...in normal use.
Have fun
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 08:15
Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 08:15
Maybe you blokes could give Old Dog a link or copy to his question from lcool
.... registering & finding would take some time .
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Follow Up By: GrumpyOldFart - Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 17:35
Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 17:35
Try these links, but I have a feeling that you might have to join still.
Hope not
http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21364http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24227
First one is rebuilding the r151 with stronger internals
Second is what is needed to put a H151F into HZJ105R
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 19:00
Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 19:00
Thanks Grumpy, I'll be towing a Trackmaster Gibson but not down the black stuff.
The tip about not towing in 5th is great, thanks heaps.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 18:44
Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 18:44
Thanks Grumpy, I got onto the lcool site and it's been very helpful, although all you blokes have been VERY helpful as
well, I really want to thank everyone who has contributed to this
forum and helped answer my concerns. All I can hope for now is that I get to someday meet all of you and have a coldie or ten with you. Thanks again. Old Dog
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Aug 04, 2012 at 18:22
Saturday, Aug 04, 2012 at 18:22
G'day grumpy (first name basis) I love your philosophy I wish I had thought of this before you:
Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly,
Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile.
Dude I want to meet you, anyone who truly thinks this way and hopefully lives life the same way is someone I'd truly like to spend some time with.
What do you reckon?
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Follow Up By: GrumpyOldFart - Sunday, Aug 05, 2012 at 17:39
Sunday, Aug 05, 2012 at 17:39
Old Dog, a meet is on the cards. I just have to get over a medical hiccough first though. When the Doc gives the all clear we'll be off again. Usually live and work at Blackstone, W.A. About 95km west of
Surveyor Generals Corner, but had to move closer to the R.A.H. Hopefully not for long, too many folk in these cities. And more white folk than I've seen in a while!
Oh, an extra thought on the HZJ105, don't ever give her a hard time in reverse and 4WD.....weak front diff!
Dru
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Sunday, Aug 05, 2012 at 17:52
Sunday, Aug 05, 2012 at 17:52
Mate, I was looking at a 100 series but ended up buy a troopy, 20001, it's a 70 series, and yes it has the weak gearbox (so I've discovered) but we (the misses and I) fell in love with it and now we own it. I will have to be a little kind to her in all gears but I'm not that hard on anything (period). Dude are you going to make it? Things don't sound fantastic? I'll be praying for you (if that's ok with you)
Old Dog
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Aug 11, 2012 at 21:05
Saturday, Aug 11, 2012 at 21:05
G'day Grumpy, haven't heard how things are for you mate; hope the doc has given you the green light or is about too. I've ended uo with a Troopy. She's 2001 HZJ78R; she's got the weak box too, can't seem to get away from it, same rules apply and now I have got the good oil on what happens and what the fix is I'm fairly happy. If things go pear shaped it's not that expensive or difficult to fix. Anyway I hope to be seeing you sometime in the not to distant future.
Old Dog
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:26
Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:26
You are right in that they have a light duty gearbox, but as GOF said, treat it with respect and it should be fine. The other issue with both live axle and IFS 100's is the weak front diff. The crown wheel gears are cut to give strength forward but not in reverse, so don't go mad backwards recovering or snatching. Even so they can break going up a
hill if one front wheel loses grip and spins up. I have put in an airlocker in the front as this reduces the possibility of damage.
Mike
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 19:04
Thursday, Jul 26, 2012 at 19:04
Thanks Mike, I hope I don't go mad period, either forwards or reverse. but I hear you and thank you for your comments. Sounds like they"ll do the job as long as I treat it like my misses; with respect; she's small but she can punch.
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Reply By: Stevesub1 - Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20
Friday, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20
Ours is a standard 1Hz Troopy with pop-top camper weighing around 3 tons. We have just got a recon gearbox after 260,000km.
The crunch came when our local Toyota dealer drained the oil but did not put many back in. We did 3000km like that before it started jumping out of gear.
And no, the Toyota dealer did NOT admit liability as it was me that found the lack of oil, not him????
If it were not for the Toyota dealer, we would still hav a good gearbox for who knows how long, but we do not tow anything heavier than a 12ft tinny.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2012 at 22:04
Wednesday, Aug 01, 2012 at 22:04
G'day Steve, it's so typical that no one admits liability, what did the box cost you?
I ask because I have only yesterday bought a Troopie; ours is a 2001 HZJ78R and on this
forum in another thread it's been said that the box has been known to be troublesome in this model.
I still need to
check out the compliance plate to see what transmission I have. Trouble is, the misses loves it, I love it, it feels great, it drives great; but I don't want to put my head in the sand and get ourselves into trouble exactly when you don't need it (Murphy's law and all that)
I want to put some
miles on it and get used to it before we head off into the wild blue yonder and if it needs a box down the track I want to be prepared.
Old Dog
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