GU CRD battery setup

Hi all, Can someone shed some light on this for me: I have a 2008 CRD patrol and was advised by my local ARB store that I would need to use a DC-DC charger instead of my redarc SBI12 (removed from previous 4wd) due to the alternator. Can anyone shed some light on this for me as to if I need to pay out for a DC-DC charger or if I can use my existing SBI12? I have a 100Ah wet cell deep cycle for my 2nd battery.

Lachy
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Reply By: cookie1 - Wednesday, Oct 17, 2012 at 21:03

Wednesday, Oct 17, 2012 at 21:03
I had a 2010 GU Patrol and used the SBI12 without any issues, it was paired up to an AGM100Ah which fed the Waeco for 4 days whilst stranded at Mungerannie

Cheers

Colin
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:34

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:34
Lachy,

I am not aware of the output of the Patrol Alternator but it may be that it is not enough to efficiently charge your auxiliary battery.

The Redarc SBI12 is a dual battery isolator which keeps the primary (starting) battery electrically separated from the auxiliary battery. Should there be a heavy draw from a device connected to the auxiliary causing it to go flat, the isolator will stop the same thing happening to the starting battery.
This is the whole purpose of an isolator.
When the vehicle is first started, priority is first given the charging the starting battery, then after it has reached a minimum voltage level, the isolator will connect the auxiliary battery and charge that. How good a charge it gets depends on three things.
1. The output capacity of the alternator
2. The thickness of the cable to the auxiliary
3. The distance from the primary battery to the auxiliary battery.

A dc-dc charger has the ability to boost the voltage coming from the alternator so that the remotely mounted auxiliary gets an optimum level of voltage. A dc-dc charger usually has a built-in isolator so it does the job of both devices.
The amount of current available to put into the charging process will also depend on the above 3 "things" but is less important than the voltage level as the level of current will basically affect the time it takes to fully charge the auxiliary.

A simple test you can perform is to connect a multimeter across the auxiliary battery and measure the voltage across the terminals. After the initial running of the engine of a minute or so, the circuit to the remote battery should be active and you need a voltage level of 14.2v plus, to keep the remote battery charged when in motion.

On my vehicle, I get sufficient output from the alternator to charge the auxiliary battery mounted in the tub, but use a dc-dc charger in my camper trailer to get a high quality charging process to the two batteries in the camper.

A dc-dc charger should be mounted as close as possible to the remote battery location.

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Follow Up By: sweetnam - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:52

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:52
I know the 100s landcruiser has the problem of low voltage from the alternator. Sidewinder has developed the following:

http://www.sidewinder.com.au/page226.html

I don't know if it would work in a GU

Agree to everything SandMan quoted. If you can afford a Dc to Dc they are a good option, minimum CTEK 20amp (I have one because it also accepts raw solar voltage rather than requiring a solar regulator) and is better for the battery but it comes down to bang for your buck.

A decent Dc to Dc is about 250 - 300

Good Luck

B
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Reply By: AdrianLR - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 08:34

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 08:34
I have a 2010 CRD. The alternator is perfectly fine, particularly as you have the same type of battery as your starter. DC-DC chargers have their place but your application doesn't require one IMHO. Many on the Patrol forum have the same setup as you (or similar with a different branded isolator).

Adrian
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Reply By: pepper2 - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:17

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:17
I have a 2007 crd with dual wet cell batteries under the bonnet connected in parallel,no isolater,on occaision i add a third battery behind the cargo barrier (again wired in parrallel no isolator) seems to work well
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Reply By: Polaris - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:29

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:29
Seems that the advice from your ARB store is not consistant across the ARB network.
I have an ARB aux battery tray in my 2011 GU wagon - fitted it myself, and there was no mention regarding the unsuitability of the Redarc SB112 isolator, in the fitting instruction.
My aux battery is a Century Marine Pro 720 N70ZM, and it is isolated with a SB112.
It is usually returned to 14.2V in a short time of running, provided the aux system hasn't been used. Recovery time varies depending on camping use.
I have 2 voltmeters - one on each battery.

Recently I did have a problem - a trap for the unwary. I had a Total Knee Replacement and the Patrol sat in my garage for 5 weeks without being started. When I tried to start it the starting battery was flat at 11.6V. The aux battery was 12.6V.

Investigation showed that a number of low draw items on the main circuit had depleted the voltage on the main battery. ECU memory, radio memory, clock, imobiliser and alarm, and another one that never occured to me - the Hayman Reece electric brake controller!

I will put a switch on the 12V supply between the battery and brake controller, so in future I can isolate it. Or alternately I could connect the controller to the AUX battery.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:04

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:04
With the SBI12 you can connect the blue wire so that you can engage both batteries for starting

Cheers Colin
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Follow Up By: Polaris - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:49

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:49
Thanks Colin - yes I was aware of that.

I also failed to mention in my post that our Patrol also has a 120W solar panel permanently mounted and connected. In a camp situation it will run our ARB fridge and LED lights indefinitely (even cloudy weather hasn't been a problem) - but with the Patrol in the garage, no sun, we still had the main battery go flat in 5 weeks.

Come to think of it, the solar is connected to the AUX battery, so the main would have still gone flat anyway. Could overcome this by connecting the blue wire that you mentioned thus by-passing the SBI11.

Many ways of skinning a cat !! LOL.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:54

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:54
Could you not put a changeover switch, I think you can get them from Marine stores, so that you can change the Solar to the main battery?

Cheers

Colin
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Follow Up By: Polaris - Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:08

Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:08
We are getting a little off topic now Colin. Apologies to the OP.
You are right. But now that I've thought on it I may just connect the solar to the main battery and that way both will be charged via the SBI12. Once the sun goes down then the main will be isolated anyway.
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