Newbie - help us pick our caravan/camper trailer

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 13:57
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Hi all,

I've been browsing these forums for a few weeks now and this is my first post.

Basically we are looking at purchasing our first caravan/camper trailer/poptop. We honestly don't really care what we buy (caravan, camper trailer etc.) as long as it suits our requirements.

There appears to be so many options/models and it's all a little bit daunting, so I'm hoping you can assist me with our decision. Ok, first of all, we are a family of 4. Myself, my wife and 2 kids. The kids are aged 2 and 4. Our requirements are:

1. $20,000 MAXIMUM. I've listed this as our number one requirement because this is really the maximum we are looking to spend. I realise this will narrow down our options considerably but we simply can't go higher than this. In fact, my wife wants to spend around the $10000 mark or less but I think that may be too low.

2. Because there's two of us and two kids, we require at LEAST two beds. The kids are quite young at the moment so they could share a bed but we would like to future proof this to a degree.

3. We will NOT be using this off-road, EVER. So we don't require an offroad model.

4. We will ONLY be using this at caravan parks and holiday parks.

5. We drive a Kia Optima which has a towing capacity of 1200kg. So obviously we want something with a TARE weight under this (preferably under 1000kg)

6. We definitely want a kitchen of some sort. Definitely a fridge and sink. The wife would like a gas griller although I have a Weber Q and will be using this most of the time.

7. An annex is also required so we can sit outside in the shade and have a drink/kids can play etc.

8. We don't mind brand new or second hand...but obviously leaning towards second hand due to the price.

9. Once we get to our destination (ie. holiday park) we will be setting up once (and then packing up once). We do NOT have a need to constantly pack and unpack. We will not be stopping on the side of the road and suddenly want to unpack out of the blue. We will not be travelling around Australia. So therefore, we're happy to spend a little bit of time setting up. Saying that, we really want something as simple as possible (really like the look of the Jayco camper trailers...which are more like a caravan).

10. The height (when packed up or condensed etc.) needs to be lower than 1800mm so we can fit in our garage....again, this is going to shorten our options even more.

I think that's everything we need.

Also, I've bought a few Camper Trailer magazines (Camper Trailer Australia I think it's called) and it has a heap of ads which show REALLY cheap camper trailers (brand new). I'm talking in the $2500 to $3500 price bracket. Obviously this is very, very cheap....is there a reason for this? Should we stay away from something this cheap?

Out of everything I've looked at thus far, my favourite would have to be the Jayco Eagle. Sounds like I can pick up a brand new Eagle (Standard, not Outback) for just under 20K. Something like this would suit us perfectly.

Would really like some good options for under the 20K mark and some other options for under the 10K mark.

REALLY appreciate any assistance which can be passed my way :)

Thanks!!!!!!
Agent009
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Reply By: Member - barbara M (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 17:50

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 17:50
Hi!
Welcome to the world of camping, my credentials are I a a mother of three grown children and we have been camping since they were little, so have been through lots of stages. WE are now at the stage of travelling a bit but at Chrissy time all our children and us go camping together with partners, wives and children.

I agree with your thoughts on a Jayco eagle they are very good with families, we had three of that type different ages and layout. Started off at the the three grand level so you can imagine, and worked our way up.

You might not think you will start travelling but the bug does bite I can assure you.
Our son and his wife bought a soft floor camper and has it for sale as it is too much of an effort to pack away plus the bed is to high for the littlies.
The Jayco type campers are good if the weather is bad as you can cook inside if you need to, they have a fridge and plenty of storage.
Hope that is a help
Barb
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Reply By: Hunter Gatherer - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 19:43

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2012 at 19:43
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Reply By: steved58 - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 00:36

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 00:36
After 12 years starting with a jayco swan camper and ending in a full outback 21ft and a pop top in between I think a eagle would be ideal for your requirements but leave a little money aside for all the accessories ie chairs etc I think you have answered all the relevant questions so should be right My swan camper I found ideal for holidays at one place and smaller tours where we stayed at least a few days at a time it was not until we wanted to move every day that we got fed up with it and wanted to change I have looked at the eagle specs on jayco which shows the eagle has a tare of 953kg and 100kg ball weight you need to find out the atm weight of the eagle which with a quick search in google shows most eagles have a atm of just over 1200kgs which Iam sorry to say is over your vehicles allowance and would void insurance so limiting the possibilities again looking at new campers only the swift and possibly the penguin maybe the dove are in your tow vehicle range Remember it is the ATM rate ie the total weight that the caravan can weigh when full that counts Unless you change vehicles you can not have a atm over 1200kgs the tare is irrelevant This will be the same for the cheap campers as well A quick visit to a jayco dealers will soon tell you the atm it is listed on the compliance plate have a look at coromals as they are similar campers giving more options you can then look second hand but check the compliance plate for atm and ball weight
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Reply By: Shaun K - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 08:51

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 08:51
Thanks Steve!

We had just decided that the Jayco Eagle or Hawk was definitely what we were going with...now this whole ATM has just thrown a spanner in the works. As you said, the Tare is roughly 950kg....we would never be adding 200kg to it so I assumed this would be ok for our vehicle as it would always be under 1200kg? But no doubt I'm wrong?

So why do some Eagles have different ATMs? I googled it also and saw some with ATM of 1212kg and others in the 1300s. Is this based on the specific year it was made? Why can some hold more than others?

Does anyone know if its possible to get a Hawk or Eagle with an ATM under 1200kg??? I really hope so!

We didn't really want to drop down to the Dove as this is getting too small. And we will not be changing our vehicle.

Thanks!
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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:42

Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:42
G'day Shaun,

I agree the Jayco Eagle is a great set up.

The different weights would be due to the difference between on road and off road models. The off road has a far more robust chassis which would add extra weight.

We started with a tent and gear in a trailer. Next was a $300 old lift top camper trailer. We then bought a 1983 Siddons camper with a wind up roof for $1800. We used this for about 10 years and travelled all over the country with our 2 kids. The most we slept in it was 2 adults and 6 kids in Tamworth, in winter. Everyone had a bed and was warm. We sold that to my sister and brother in law, who stil have it. They have 5 kids and find it easy to tow and set up.

When you stay in a caravan park you will find the kids will be gone most of the time and only be back to eat and sleep.

Now our kids have grown up my wife and I continue to travel. We don't tow anything but have our Landcruiser set up for remote area touring. We have our rooftop tent, kitchen in the back and everything we need to get away from the world for weeks at a time.

If the bug bites you you'll never stop exploring.

Have fun,
Steve
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Reply By: jacent - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 09:24

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 09:24
I think your onto it with the jayco camper, i've been looking at them myself, you can keep the weight down by not filling the water tank/s etc.. which you wont need to anyway since you will be at caravan parks.. I wouldnt go down the camper trailer path unless your doing alot of off road, too much work setting up n pack up, those cheap ones are pretty much a trailer with a tent bolted to em, no kitchen, water tank, batteries, etc you get what you pay for!
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Reply By: Shaun K - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:19

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:19
Ok, just had a lovely chat with a Jayco dealer.

My towing vehicle (Kia Optima) is as follows:

Towing Capacity: 1200kg
Maximum on Towball: 120kg

The Jayco camper trailers we're looking at:

Dove - Tare: 938kg, Towball Standard: 121kg
Hawk - Tare: 963kg, Towball Standard: 121kg
Eagle - Tare: 953kg, Towball Standard: 100kg

As you can see, the towball standard rules out the Dove and Hawk immediately. The dealer said the Eagle would be a real tight fit in order to comply with our vehicle. In fact, he pretty much said they wouldn't do it.

The Eagle Towball Standard is under 120kg and we don't really want to carry much on the Eagle (1200kg maximum). So I would have thought this should be ok??? We're pretty disappointed as we just got our hearts set on the Eagle and now it looks like we can't get one :(
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Follow Up By: Charlie B2 - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 13:27

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 13:27
Hi Shaun,

Are you absolutely CERTAIN you'll never put more than 200 kg into the Jayco? Effectively, that's really only the weight of two men (yeah, I know, you won't be travelling with two men in it! Or, at least, I hope not!! :-) ).

BUT, once you start weighing the everyday items - clothing, blankets, pillows, camp table and chairs, food, plates, cups, cooking and eating utensils, your Weber Baby-Q and its gas bottles, the annexe you want to take, etc, I think you'll be gobsmacked at how quickly the weight mounts up! Then you've got the kids' toys, bikes(?) and so on.

I'm not knocking your preference for a Jayco Eagle, I've got an Outback version of that myself, but 200kg isn't a huge load - the full annnexe I had for my earlier Dove, when we were travelling with 3 children 5 through 10, would probably have come close to 50 kg, with poles and guy-ropes (NOT "guide-ropes". It really took the two of us adults to shift it with reasonable ease.

I think I'd probably still try to make the Eagle work if I were you, I'd just be REALLY careful about what you take.

Regards,


Charlie
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Follow Up By: steved58 - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 13:27

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 13:27
The reason the atm varies is depending on what accesories are ordered when new they then allow 350kg on top of the factory fitted accessories to allow for water gas your food luggage chairs etc If you are close to the limit on towing I would suggest maybe looking at changing vehicles if possible You will enjoy the whole experience more if you can tow what you want with ease rather than struggle with an underated car or a van that does not suit requirements Good luck look out for the caravan and 4wd shows in your state they are invaluable everthing in one place
Steve
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Follow Up By: steved58 - Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 13:52

Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 13:52
Shaun have a look at the cub camper range especially the spacevan I don't know the price but it is in the range for weight has a kitchen two bunk beds for the kids etc
Steve
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Reply By: Shaun K - Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:42

Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:42
Firstly, I want to say thanks to everyone for replying! I really appreciate it.

We had a look at a Jayco Swift and we actually really like it. Yes, it is smaller than the Eagle but my wife actually likes it better as it's more "cosy". It's also well within our price range at roughly 16K brand new. Because we'll be getting a full annex with it, I think there'll be plenty of room for us.

And the touring model only has a tare of 792kg which suits us perfectly.

One question, the "Outback" Swift has a weight of 940kg apparently (if the specs on the website are correct). I've read a lot of forum posts from people saying the Outback Swift is really good because it's so light. I don't think 940kg is that light...?

I wonder if an Outback Swift could have an ATM under 1200kg?
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Follow Up By: steved58 - Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 23:03

Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 23:03
The swift would be very close to or just over 1200kg ATM Keep in mind when you negotiate the price with jayco that your car needs to be wired with a hot wire to power the van on the road and also a brake controller make sure that Jayco include them with installation to your vehicle in the price of the van They usually throw this in free if asked before signing up for the camper Happy camping looks like your to join the rest of us
Steve
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