Am Radio Reception & VHF/UHF Radio.

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I'm looking for help for my touring parents.

They are in their sixties (so I won't call them old!) and whilst I also wouldn't call them grey nomads, they do like getting to the odd out of the way place, with a diesel Discovery and a modest caravan.

They soon discovered that the vehicles AM radio leaves a bit to be desired once they get away from populated areas.

Can anyone help with a decent AM radio?
Something with SW would also be handy?
Is there anything in the way of a signal booster available?

They other item I have finally convinced them they need is a VHF/UHF radio. As they are complete novices at this sort of thing, something thats easy to operate and reasonably priced would be great. It does need to be vehicle mounted, so a hand held unit that can be powered from the vehicle or van would be fine.

Any help, much appreciated.
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Reply By: GEMAC Solar and Power - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 21:50

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 21:50
Hi Beach40

Maybe they can have a sat dish fitted and use all the radio stations available on there??

Or a bloody big tower with the aerial on top.

And as for UHF there are many models available from about $300 up

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Follow Up By: GEMAC Solar and Power - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 21:51

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 21:51
BTW
in their sixties makes them the same age as the princess and I and this modern stuff is all so easy

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Follow Up By: beach40 - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 22:20

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 22:20
Cheers Geoff, but they are really not that tech savvy. Aligning a sat dish every time they pull up would be a bit beyond them. Simplicity is the name of the game.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 00:17

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 00:17
Don’t under estimate the oldies – the modern sat finders make aligning the disks a breeze.
As for being in their 60’s – they're only chickens.
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Follow Up By: beach40 - Thursday, Nov 22, 2012 at 00:03

Thursday, Nov 22, 2012 at 00:03
It took me three months to teach them how to send and receive text messages.
They have only recently moved on from a VHS machine. I'm not joking.
I was going to buy them a sat nav, but they're not interested, preferring paper maps. I'm forever printing stuff for them.

Its not that they're lacking any intelligence, its just that they're not into techno-wizardry or electrickery gadgets.

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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 22:33

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 22:33
Beach40

As a person in his 60's and with friends of the same era I would heartilly recommend that you DO NOT go GEMACs way with a satellite dish. Okay if you are going to sit in a caravan park or the same spot for weeks on end and vegitate. But not for touring. Too much trouble to set up and pull down for all those one night stops.

There are signal (AM & FM) boosters available. I was shown one at BDL Car Audio once for about $80 installed. Go and see them.

For UHF radio have a look at the cheaper GME radios on the internet with Google. Dont get one with all the controls in the microphone. From what you say it would be a pain if they dropped it and accidently put itnto some "strange" mode. KISS!!! Maybe even second hand 40 channel one will do. They are good for a few years yet and by that time they may decide to really get into 4WD and go up-market themselves.

Cannot help with the short wave stuff. Maybe Jaycar.

Phil

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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 23:04

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 23:04
The days of long distance AM broadcasts have, to a great extent, gone, replaced by localised FM radio.

SW is a bit boring too, replaced by the internet.

However, this radio from Dickies is probably the best value for money you will get, it's $50 off at the moment too.

DSE Outback Radio

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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 23:28

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 23:28
Hi Stephen

Does this radio have a jack for an external antennae?...doesnt state so on the web link specs

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 23:40

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2012 at 23:40
No it doesn't Graham.


This one does:
Sangean World Radio


I bought one of these too, but SW is not what it used to be and AM and FM reception is better on Dickie's radio (by the way, it's made by Sangean too).

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:27

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:27
We had a Dick Smith Outback radio & it was hopeless, my old 30 year old Panasonic had much better reception in remote areas.
We returned it for a refund, which they did willingly, agreeing that they had had several complaints of porr reception.
We then tried a Sangean, same thing ... so back to the old Panasonic!

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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 00:10

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 00:10
Beach40
"They soon discovered that the vehicles AM radio leaves a bit to be desired once they get away from populated areas"
If this is the case they will also disapointed by the portable AM radios also.
I was told by a radio tech that adding an external ariel to a $200 portable radio won't improve the range and that you get a better reception with a good vehicle AM radio.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 06:10

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 06:10
They need a loop antenna.

There is an Australian one that looks a bit home made and is about $80 or this one from China.
Tecsun 200 Loop antenna

If the radio they have has an external antenna socket you plug it in, otherwise like I do you put the radio in the middle of the loop. It doesn't need batteries and works unbelievably. i use it int he high county all the time and it takes a weak signal buried in noise to a very listen able signal.

It sounds too good to be true but loop antennas are recognised as about as good as you can get. - Google loop antenna.

It will blow them away.
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Follow Up By: Joe G2 - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 06:42

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 06:42
I think they want radio for the vehicle.
Joe.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 13:08

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 13:08
Oops, in that case the only Car radio that I can fine that has Short Wave down to 2300khz is the Pioneer MVH-1450UB

I think all car radios have the same sensitivity approx for AM.

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Follow Up By: Polaris - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 16:17

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 16:17
Boobook - if you do the research you will find that not all aftermarket car radios have the same sensitivity on AM. As posted before, I have found the Pioneer units with SuperTuner have much better sensitivity. To the extent that 2 vehicles parked side by side in a remote area can have one with listenable AM and the other - static or nothing at all.
The Alpine and Eurovox units also have sensitive radios.
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Reply By: Max - Sydney - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 06:57

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 06:57
Hi beach40

As a graduate of the sixties (I outgrew them), I have to say that AM radio gets pretty problematic once you get out where you want to go.

Our solution is generally to take a stack of CDs and listen to music, confining radio listening to towns, and that generally on an FM band. These days we take all our CDs on an iPod and that works well, but if they are not willing to learn a bit of new stuff then that step may be too far. Talking book CDs have worked well for us on those long stretches too.

If their Disco is a few years old, a new radio may be the go. If you / they go into somewhere like Dick Smiths or JB Hi Fi (we have found them good), and explain to the sales person that they want something for long distance listening, they will find quite a range of radios. They need to be shown how to use it, especially the "seek" function, but if they look for quality over price, they can get it and have it installed.

In all honesty though, AM radio is getting harder to pick up.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 07:26

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 07:26
One option often overlooked - add a length of wire to the vehicle's aerial and throw it over a tree. Not much help when mobile (!) but a few metres of insulated wire ending in a clip to clip onto the aerial works wonders.

For a very sensitive portable AM/SW/FM/SSB radio it's hard to go past the Degen 1103. The downside is that you need a teenager to drive it.

HTH

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Follow Up By: Polaris - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:08

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:08
I'll also recommend that you get a decent length of thin insulated wire, and a small alligator clip. Then you will be able to hook it onto your installed car radio and AM reception will be greatly enhanced.

Of course this only works when you are parked up - for better AM reception while travelling you need a better radio than what came with your vehicle.

Pioneer - with their Super Tuner , I have found to be a good replacement, with much better sensitivity than many of the other aftermarket head units.

While we also have a huge amount of our own music available - when travelling the outback we usually are listening to ABC radio national. They have good long range coverage in many areas.

Have a look at ABC Radio and follow the links to the area you wish to use.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:35

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:35
The OP has not stated which model of Disco he has. The problem with My D2 was the antenna was a bit of foil loop on the rear LH window. These are not the most efficient at the best of times. There was also no where to hook an external aerial onto.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 14:36

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 14:36
Window tinting will reduce the reception with the in glass antennas.

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Follow Up By: Polaris - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 14:38

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 14:38
If it were mine Peter, I would fit a conventional telescopic aerial and disconnect the window foil. Then use a length of wire and alligtor clip in remote low AM service areas.
The foil window types seem to work ok on the FM band (88 to 108 MhZ) where the wavelength is about 3 metres.

However the AM band 588 Hz to 1602 Hz (centre about 1.000 Mhz) has a wavelength about 300 metres ! So even a fully extended telescopic whip is a very small fraction of the AM wavelength and the addition of any length of wire - longer the better - will help.

Refer Frequency to wavelength converter.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Nov 22, 2012 at 09:04

Thursday, Nov 22, 2012 at 09:04
Peter,

If your parents were to replace the foil aerial with another type, as suggested by Polaris, then I'd recommend looking at the range of AM/FM aerials made by Mobile One.


They sell aerials for almost everything, but I've found the AM/FM ones really improve reception in fringe areas. Two sizes, 900mm & 1500mm, cater for how far away you might be.


We found last year in June, that we were able to hear Longreach ABC(540khz), down near Mungerannie, while still mobile. This was using the 1500mm whip. Hot weather reduces the usable range, I've found.

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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 07:36

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 07:36
Hi there Beach 40
We are with Boobook.
Car radio is hopeless unless you are in town.
We have a Tecsun PL-600 radio and a Tecsun AN-200 loop antenna and it drags in the most distant AM stations. The radio was $82 and the antenna was $15 post was free.
We have never missed the footie or the cricket.
Signals are loud and clear.
Comes with rechargable batteries X 4 and a 240v. powerpack.
Runs for days on four batteries.
Still go for a vhf/uhf radio.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter w2 (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:52

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:52
what runs for four days the radio or the loop antenna,,sorry not being funny
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Follow Up By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:15

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:15
The Radio has batteries and the loop antenna does not require batteries and it also has a tuning dial.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter w2 (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 17:46

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 17:46
Hi Pinko was half asleep when misread your post now see runs on four batts not four days I will get a loop from china cant see the point to pay over the odds when i can get same for $15
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:21

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:21
Gidday

Quite a few people have mentioned poor reception on AM with in-car radios. It begs the question, what antenna does the car radio have? My experience when is that a old fashioned fender, pillar or roof mounted antenna provides far better reception than the in-glass antennas favoured by many manufacturers these days.
Out of the car I use a Sangean portable which has short wave which is good for listening to sport on Radio Australia at weekends. Last time I looked they even broadcast Macca on a Sunday morning, though I passed on that.
If you are truly remote broadcast band AM is patchy to non existent in the day but at night you can pick up a huge number of stations. It's also worthwhile to have a look at the ABC website for a full list of their frequencies as many small towns and remote settlements rebroadcast capital city programs on local FM frequencies.



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Follow Up By: Member - Peter (1) - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:00

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:00
G'day Alll,

If you go into an ABC shop, you can purchase for $2.00 a small foldup double sided sheet, about the size of a playing card, which lists all ABC stations and their frequencies state by state. I never travel without one.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 16:54

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 16:54
Hmm Peter, that looks handy, must get one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 17:00

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2012 at 17:00
I forgot to mention, if you have an Android phone, there is a free App called 'Australian Radio Guide' that finds the nearest radio station sorted by proximity or signal strength based on your location. It does AM and FM. You can select a network like ABC Radio National, News Radio , JJJ etc in the search.

It does need a phone signal to work I think.
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Reply By: Bazooka - Thursday, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:51

Thursday, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:51
Just lost my whole reply trying to edit a link (not happy Jan) so here's a summary. My experience only - not definitive, and I've generalised to keep it brief (forum narks please take note).

- Changing radio aerials will only make a small difference (say 10-20% as a very rough guide) unless the existing one is rubbish. The head unit is much more important. Been down that path.

- There is no holy grail of car radios for Oz conditions since Eurovox died.

- Like many others I have a portable multi-band Degen De1103, and a loop antenna. Works well enough.

- Plenty of good info on here re UHF. Stick to a reputable band - Oricom, GME, Uniden etc - and get it car mounted (no batteries, smaller mic, better reception).
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