Women's 4WD club
Submitted: Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:49
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Moira S (NSW)
I heard about a women only 4WD club in SA and wondered if there was something similar in NSw. If not - would anyone be interested in forming one - or just getting together for trips now and again?
I know there are a number of good 4WD clubs around but would like to create a different kind of 4WD space to the norm.
Looking forward to hearing ...
Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:09
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:09
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Reply By: 464 - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:29
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:29
Hi Moira !
I would love to join or help form a club. I travel alone with my off road camper and love to do desert
treks, however you can't always do that alone.
Mary-Anne
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 19:55
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 19:55
Ok. Great. Are u in NSW? I love the desert too. We took jaunt across the Simpson last winter - magical place:)
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Reply By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:12
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:12
Hi there - I had no intention whatsoever to create offence - can't think what I put that would have done so - I thought this was an innocuous exploration of interest. So apologies for any offence to the moderation team.
Moira
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:16
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:16
Na mate...it was my comment that got moderated, I tried to have a little joke and one of the moderators didnt like it.....my appologies.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:21
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 13:21
Ok. Cheers. Have a great day :)
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Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 14:12
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 14:12
Isn't that against our anti discrimination laws?
Sorry, just reread it, you said women only, not men only!
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Follow Up By: Member - ken m4 - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:21
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:21
I agree with Shaker. While I do not disagree with any women only association or club I do remember the outcry against the men only rule as members of crickett or golf or other clubs in years past . Women do excell as athletes in different codes of sport and leisure activities as
well as the arts and are reconised for their achievements. Why should anyone then advertise for a club to be formed restricted to one class of ethnicity or sex rather than the enjoyment of the sport or activity.
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:03
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:03
Understanding about equality has changed. It is more about equity where differences are acknowledged - hence the growth of 'men's sheds' for example. My own experience in 4WD clubs and groups has lead me to feel a need for a women's club which I suspect would have very a different feel to it to the average arguably male dominated club.
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Follow Up By: Mary-Anne M (Qld) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:28
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:28
Hi Moira !
I live in South East Queensland. I plan to do the Gunbarrel this year and then head north to the
Kimberley ( my favourite place on earth )
I acknowledge that it can at times be difficult for a woman to travel on her own, so to find kindred spirits would be a bonus !
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Follow Up By: Member - ken m4 - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:57
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:57
Moira S
Point taken and acknowleged
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Reply By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 14:21
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 14:21
Good post Moira and I hope you get some support in getting one up and running.
I've been in 4Wd clubs for 20 plus years and can report on dozens of fantastic trips (all mixed company though).
One trip was run by a lady - she said husbands could come along but they must be passengers during the whole trip. At the departure point she lines up all of the ,en then proceeded to put gaffer tape over our mouths. We weren't allowed to take it off for an hour. Being 'zipped up' for an hour got us used to not telling our wives watch this, look out for that etc.
It was a fantastic trip, with lots of lainghs and fun.
all the best for 2013
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Follow Up By: SDG - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 15:15
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 15:15
I bet the tape did not stop you looking for the "imaginary" brake pedal.
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Follow Up By: Gaynor - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 17:26
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 17:26
This sounds like fun. It gets so tiresome when men always assume they are to be the drivers. There have been many times when a little voice inside of me was crying out: please let me have a go! This looks like fun. But it remained silent.
Partly my fault. I did not ask to have a go because I am inexperienced and for sure the man was the better driver and I would more than likely get stuck. That is part of how one learns. But I was intimidated and did not want to prove to 'him' just how incompetent at driving in sand I was. Adventures missed.
The only time I got to drive in sand was when I went and bought my own 4x4. I liked having men around then because I learned a lot from them, but not in my car. I should have had gaffer tape....
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:22
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:22
Hi Gaynor, good to hear from you.
If we ever get to travel together, even in my own vehicle, you can have the wheel all day. I'm quite happy to sit in the passenger
seat.
My wife doesn't travel as much on remote trips nowadays and sometimes when I'm on my own but in convoy with others, I ask for a relief driver. I'm perfectly happy if one of the ladies takes the wheel.
People say to me 'Do you trust x driving your vehicle all day? I always answer:
"Yes - can't see them wanting to kill themselves"
cheers
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:07
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:07
Thank you Phil. That does sound fun. Hey Gaynor - gr8 move getting your own fourbie. I love 4WDing and my partner doesn't at all - so I get to do all the driving but have an excellent co-pilot:)
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:50
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:50
Hi Moira.
My recollections is that a number of the larger 4WD clubs have "Ladies Days' which may serve your needs. The Toyota Landcruiser Club did so for a while. But your idea of a Women's Only seems a better idea.
Don't worry about the political correct whingers. They seem to be everywhere these days. Just do it and have fun.
Jack
PS: The TVan is still going strong :)
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Follow Up By: Gaynor - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 21:08
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 21:08
Hey Phil, good to hear from you too. Compliments of the season to you.
Plans are moving ahead for the walk. Will be in
Perth first week of May then driving the Canning south to north mid May. The walk with Pam is starting around the 25th from Billiluna. Hoping my supply drop driver, Andy, will give me a turn at the wheel. He was the Canning Peugeot 505 driver a couple of years back, but taking the old Landcruiser this time. I am incredibly fortunate he is giving me a hand with preparations.
If I remember correctly, you might be on part of the Canning this year? It would be lovely to finally meet up with you. There might even be an opportunity for me to take you up on your offer of a turn at the wheel :-) That would be fun.
When will your book of the centenary history of the Canning be on the shelves?
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 00:51
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 00:51
Hi Gaynor,
Please forgive us Moira for highjacking the thread.
Gaynor I'll email you separately.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:25
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:25
No worries at all :)
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:27
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:27
Hey Jack - glad you are still enjoying it. We are loving the towels tent set-up again but admit we miss the TVan when it's cold and wet:(
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Follow Up By: Sami Dee - Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:27
Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:27
I have a facebook group for ladies only...we have ladies from all over please join us you might find some in your area that you can go out with Sami
Mine Not His 4wd Club
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/387040504641558/
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:56
Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:56
Sounds good Sami. Maybe solve the problem. I'll hop over to it
Thank you Sami
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Reply By: Member - VickiW - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 14:59
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 14:59
Hi Moira,
What a great idea. I'd like to be involved. I also travel alone. It would be good to have some company & moral support sometimes :)
Cheers,
Vicki
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:08
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:08
That's great Vicki. Are you in NSW?
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Follow Up By: Member - VickiW - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:37
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 20:37
Hi Moira,
yes I'm in NSW - NW
Sydney. We have 3 so far?
I think it's a great idea purely from personal experience travelling with ex. Now I'm forced to travel alone, I kind of think it would be nice to have somewhat less judgemental company!
I must admit I have been surprised at how much I have been able to work out for myself now I no longer have the passenger
seat driver.
:)
Cheers,
Vicki
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Reply By: SDG - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 15:19
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 15:19
Have a look at the many female only bike clubs around Australia. Many of them also own 4wd's and tour in them. You might get some interested members.
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 19:54
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 19:54
Great idea. Will do. Tx
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 21:29
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 21:29
I cant see what a ladies club would acheive. I guess it would give the ladies plenty of time to bitch about their husbands and keep the NRMA and RACV busy in a desert
breakdown ! :) Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 23:12
Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 23:12
Michael, it sounds to me like you are trying to stir the pot.......
well I hope that's what it is..... LOL
I wish the girls all the luck in their endeavour, I feel they could achieve a lot forming a club of their own, away from the eyes of so called experts making them feel inferior....LOL....
Me,
well I let my hubby do the driving but I have a go at times just to prove that if anything went wrong with Hubby out there he is comfortable in the knowledge that I could get us out of wherever we were.... including sand dunes in the middle of the desert.... LOL.
If these ladies wanted to 'bitch' about their husbands/ partners I'm sure that they could just have a tea party for that one LOL
Cheers
D
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Follow Up By: Gaynor - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:27
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:27
We had a similar reaction from men in paragliding when women got together and decided they could encourage more women into the sport by having female only competitions and clinics. Some got really pissy about it.
In paragliding, women involvement is about 10%. At a regular competition, 3-10 women on average would compete. When they went ahead and held their competitions/clinics around the world, 40-50 women came out of the woodwork and took part. The most successful one is held in
Bright, Victoria - Women With Wings 3. This is their third event of this kind.
Australia is the only popular paragliding country in the world I know of that does not have an Australian female instructor or commercial tandem pilot. This surprised me. Even Iran has female instructors. I have always seen Australian women as being very strong, but in some areas, they keep in the background. These female only clinics or clubs have shown that they do encourage women to take part in what is predominantly a male dominated area. In an environment which is encouraging and non judgmental, a person is more likely to come out of themselves and try something new. With experience they gain confidence. With confidence they are more likely to join in with regular groups. I can't see that as being bad, surely?
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Follow Up By: Gaynor - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:41
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:41
Just to explain myself:
I am a really good driver. I am used to trailering boats and driving all kinds of vehicles. Reversing any kind of trailer is easy for me. Men's jaws drop regularly when I
rock up with a trailer and reverse it into a tight spot, quick as you please.
My Dad gets into the car as a passenger (on the rare occasion) and I fall to pieces with his 'back
seat' driving. And I do become a bad driver, making silly errors. The only way I will drive with him as passenger now, is for me to remind him that he must remain silent or drive himself, which he can't because the only reason I get to drive is when he has had more than one drink at a restaurant.
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:24
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:24
Thanks for your comments - my initial reaction was .... yup!!! A response that underpins the rationale for having such a space for women!! Having enjoyed the driving across the Simpson and along the Old Tele track ( towing a camper trailer at the time) among other
places, I have never hesitated to stop and offer assistance to people of either gender out there on the tracks - I don't always have the physical strength but that is rarely what is required!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:58
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:58
Michael is only happy when he is miserable, or debunking someone else's ideas.
Your missus would have plenty to bitch about, but many others are very happy souls. Take a tablet and have a lie down.
Jack
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 16:03
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 16:03
C'mon Guys! OOPSS! and Gals, Just a bit of fun, Dont take it the wrong way!! Thats why guys play golf all day Sunday and spend weekends away with their mates "bonding",, it give them time to whinge about their wives.. Anyway if you get something together, i hope it goes well for you all. Michael
P.S. Dont forget to take a manicure kit just in case you break a nail. :0)
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 20:39
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 20:39
No worries Michael but the only nail I'll be breaking is the one that I pull out of my tyre before I plug it :) ....... now, talking of putting a plug in it .......... :)
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 21:47
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 21:47
I hear you Moira! Good to see you have a sense of humour! :)) Michael
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 04:06
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 04:06
Hi Moira,
I wish you every success, and I hope that you aren't put off by negative remarks by men who just don't "get it".
Almost all our 4wding is done as a couple but we rotate the driving every couple of hours regardless of terrain. That we we both stay competent and we both get to enjoy the driving as well as sightseeing.
I do worry that many women go off on trips (whether towing or not) and let their men do all the driving. What happens if the driver gets sick or has an accident and can't drive? I have seen women stuck in remote
places waiting for a family member to fly in to drive them out - all because they haven't given themselves that little bit of practical travel insurance.
I do think that some women are put off driving by the attitude of their husbands/partners, which can range from openly critical of women driving or just being reluctant to give up the drivers
seat. So if your efforts can help even one or two women to develop their skills and enjoy the experience it will have been a success.
On one of the few 4wd club trips we have been on, along the
Hay River track, we had a couple of sessions where all the women in the convoy drove, which encouraged those women who normally didn't drive to have a go. I don't recall a single accident on that trip by either male or female drivers.
Cheers,
Val
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:29
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 07:29
I think that you are right Val - much of it is about confidence rather than capability
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Reply By: Joker - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:36
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:36
Go Gals, ENJOY !!!!!
Cheers, Jock
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Reply By: Bazooka - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:14
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:14
Excellent idea Moira. If successful eventually you could let men into the picture via associate
membership. Nothing like a different perspective to spark interest. There's a marketing opportunity there somewhere.
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 20:41
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 20:41
Absolutely Bazooka. There might well be
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Reply By: cloudseeker - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 13:04
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 13:04
Sounds like fun. It's 2013.
I don't know how to fix things, but I can drive. I don't get the male driver thing, why women don't drive.
Some women know how to drive AND fly AND fix things. There's an association called Chick Fighter Pilots:
http://www.lundberg.tv/cfpa/history.html
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Reply By: Moira S (NSW) - Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 20:43
Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 20:43
To start of then - I'll post a trip gathering on here then for a day trip in NSW in February - maybe Lithgow area
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Reply By: drowned_rat - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 18:55
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 18:55
Miora,
Another thing to think of is forming a women's only sub-group of a larger 4wd club. I',m from the Landcruiser club of Vic and they run Women's only trips from time to time. The write-ups sound like lots of fun and you don't have to go through the process of starting a new club, running a club etc.
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:53
Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:53
Ok. Thank you for that suggestion
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Reply By: carmen n - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 16:46
Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 16:46
great idea Moira.
would love to join such a club and /or a group for some trips.
I live in SE QLD. have 4WD will travel. please get in touch.
carmen
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Follow Up By: Moira S (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:54
Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 18:54
Ok. Sounds good carmen
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