They rave on about bullbars been dangerous!!?

Bloody hell!, I appreciated the one on the defender at 6.00am this morning when a really solid black wallaby decided (the biggest ive seen) to jump out in front of me as I was travelling to work down this mountain road. Not a chance of missing him just a big bang and it was all over,crap all over the place, but the ARB bar did its job, saved me, and the landy from major destruction,..not sure which one of us got the biggest fright....It happens in seconds...lol.

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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 20:21

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 20:21
I live in the bush too Axle and I won't leave home without my bullbar.

An essential bit of gear for us I'm afraid.

Saved my vehicles many times.

But then there are not too many roos in Pitt Street Sydney so I guess the city folk don't need them so therefore no body else should have them, apparently.

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Follow Up By: John and Regina M - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 21:02

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 21:02
Maybe a bit simplistic?
City slickers have no concept of the issues faced 'in the bush'.

However there are quite a few bullbars on the 4By's of urban cowboys too I would suggest, and having lived in the ACT there are also quite a few without them. And yes, roos are quite a hazard in the ACT.

Perhaps some of the issue stems from attachments to the bullbar, like the 2 way bracket mounted the wrong way, and of course the now illegal (although you would not know it) fishing rod holders. These 2 items could certainly carve a hunk of meat out of the unwary pedestrian if they survived the whalloping.

Us bullbared 4wd owners can go some way to alleviate these misconceptions by making sure our vehicles are safe to those inside and those outside. I have seen sooo many that aren't.
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Follow Up By: prado 01 - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 22:38

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 22:38
Ive heard roo's are quite a problem in Canberra.
Do people driving sedans have bull bars or only 4wd's.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 23:35

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 23:35
Hi Prado,
I have heard that there is a problem in Canberra with Roos. (true)
I saw a doco on it, very interesting too.
I do believe donkeys are a problem there as well. LOL

Seriously, they do make bars for sedans and if I were in an area where there was an issue I would have one fitted to my car pronto.
I would certainly have one fitted to my Prado if I were you.

Here is a sobering thought, due to the backside falling out of the deer breeding game many years ago, some deer breeders just opened their gates and let them out, apparently. I dare say some also escaped.

We are now starting to see "Watch out for deer" signs along the Pacific Highway these days from Taree north.

If you hit one of those in an ordinary sedan it would be catastrophic for the passengers because the bulk of their body is above the bonnet of most modern cars so the windscreen will take the full force of the carcase and then it hits the passengers.

Back in the mid sixties I heard of a fellow who was traveling from Broken Hill toward Cobar and a big Roo came through the windscreen of his Merc and the big toe of the Roo pierced his throat and killed him. These deer are bigger than any Roo I have seen.

We live 7 or 8 Ks west of the Pacific Highway as the crow flies and we have seen them on our place, a big bugger with a full antler, deadly serious.

I would hate to run one of them down. These are some of the reasons I do not like driving of a night. The animals are most active at night.

John and Regina, I think the main opposition is just bullbars in general as they are unforgiving if you hit a pedestrian with them. I guess the best idea is to try very hard to avoid pedestrians if you have a bull bar fitted. LOL,

And yes, people in the city do not comprehend the problems faced by many living and driving in the bush.

As Erick Bogle wrote in "Now I'm Easy" I think "There are no starving stock on the average suburban block" so in general many city dwellers, and I was one once, do not comprehend much outside the cities unless they get away to the bush a bit or have family on the land or in country towns.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 07:27

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 07:27
Prado

No they don't have bars on sedans and it is not uncommon to see a different car parked up on the side of the road near with obvious "roo" damage. Not daily but at last several news ones weekly. And that's on a road quite close to us on the edge of the ACT. It is the same actually in the suburbs.

On a slightly different tack. It wasn't a roo but a slippery gravel road and a minute lack of attention by moi.

In march 2013, our bar saved the front by deflecting our car off a rock wall in a very slow slip off the road. All four panels, new front and rear bars and damaged pride. Thanks to the bullbar and steel side steps we were okay to drive home safely and unhurt.

Yes we have a roo problenm in Canberra. Lots of warnings with the morning road reports as well.

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Follow Up By: Member - John G - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:58

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:58
Hey Bruce C

Be nice! If the donkeys you are referring to are our elected representatives, then just remember where they come from and who picked 'em. LOL

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Follow Up By: mike39 - Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 08:27

Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 08:27
Re the comment from Bruce about deer, recently travelling S to Armidale saw 7 dead fallow deer in about a 5km. stretch of highway near the Ben Lomond turn off.
Would hate to whack one of these rangy buggers in any sort of vehicle.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 15:00

Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 15:00
I have heard it said that poloticians are positive proof that the first settlers mated with kangaroos.

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Follow Up By: Penchy - Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:25

Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:25
I have seen plenty of sedans sporting bull bars, and always from those living in the country - Tamworth, Wagga, Albury ect. I haven't seen any in Canberra but I'm sure there would be a few at Queenbeyan.

As for the donkeys, when you go to vote, you don't vote the best donkey in, you vote the worst donkey out. There are no good donkeys in politics.
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Reply By: Erad - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 20:57

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 20:57
I fitted a polybar to my NL Pajero some years ago. It worked brilliantly - I never had a roo come near me! But by golly it gave me some confidence, not that in roo country I drive very fast. I fitted a bar to me my new pajero as soon as possible. That has worked too - nothing has come near me! But by the time one does, my car is ready...

Neither of our current vehicles go in the city very often, so I am not worried too much about pedestrians. The latest bullbar is a genuine Mitsubishi steel one, but personally I think it is rather flimsy. It should protect the radiator and at least the car will be driveable.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 21:18

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 21:18
Ahh! So that was you Axle! That was a wallaby zone you know ! So you didn't see the sign ;) Michael
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Follow Up By: Axle - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 14:19

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 14:19
Lol Mike, ..But I did slow down when I saw a sign , " Wallabys Please cross here"


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Reply By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 01:20

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 01:20
I didn't see any bars while I was in Germany and they have Deers , yeh I can just imagine a set of Antlers through the radiator .



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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 07:21

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 07:21
Doug! When we were in Sweden, we travelled hundreds of ks of roads with 2 metre mesh fences to stop Moose getting on the road. Many deaths from hitting Moose there, those long legs fold up and they come through the windscreen, generally killing everyone in the vehicle! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew & Jen - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 16:44

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 16:44
Hullo Michael
In 1978 the white posts marking the sides of the road in Sweden were (and maybe still are?) triangular in shape with the reflectors placed so that headlights make them shine out into the fields on either side, the theory being that it makes an elk hesitate just that small amount of time so that a collision is avoided.
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Follow Up By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 17:23

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 17:23
Andrew
I remember when I was escorting Oversize from Brisbane to Mt Isa they had a test on reflectors between Barcaldine and Longreach. not sure if it works .



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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:45

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:45
They give their cars the Elk Test in Sweden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAPa3flxuG8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

We should give our cars the roo test?
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 10:27

Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 10:27
Interestingly the hilux and the jeep grand Cherokee both fail the elk test. Toyota stopped selling hilux on 16 inch rims in Europe after the 2007 failure. Maybe that's the reason that only models with stability control get 16's and Pov packs are still on 15s ?
Why is this stuff not reported more widely?
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 22:27

Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 22:27
From what i saw of the cherokee test the driver threw it into the hats completely different to the other car, looked a bit rigged to me.
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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 07:34

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 07:34
Since when did pedestrians have priority on roads. Kids - hmm always a problem that's why I like the 40KPH school zones. Pedestrian lights - bugger those who do not obey the walk/dont walk signs. Me! I have a wide angle camera on the windscreen to show the twit I hit was walking against a light and texting.

That's how I feel - sometimes! Don't you just love tapping the horn when they are texting. You have to laugh.

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Follow Up By: Member - Chris_K - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 08:53

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 08:53
Hi Phil - even funnier when they are texting with the earplugs in! Cause they can't hear the Turbo Diesel creeping up behind... :)
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Follow Up By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:13

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:13
G'day Phil
I agree , roads were made for vehicles , if there were no vehicles then we would have no roads and the people could wander like cattle , When I was a little one in Adelaide Mum would always wait for the green to cross the street, I was taught that in the 1940's and I still apply it today, one only has to wait and stand for ...what 90 seconds . The funny thing I see sometimes is a persons walks up to the crossing , the red light is showing, they hit the button on the pole as they go past and keep walking through the red light , why do they still press the button...???


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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:32

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:32
Total lack of consideration for others mate. Thats why they press the bootun. Just like when they were teenagers and liked to see all the cars stop for nothing. I have even seen cops, parents, seniors and kids do it. But don't you dare say anything. That's impolite!!!! Luckily the places we go do not have traffic lights.

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Follow Up By: SDG - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:37

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:37
Many people today have no sense at all around cars. Was watching some teenagers walk around a car reversing out of a car park the other day. Sure, the car could have stopped if they had seen them, but as they were three quarters out of the park, would have made more sense for the teenagers to stop. Instead they abused the driver.
I teach kids in my care to look out for the reversing light when in car parks. I mentioned it to an older kid once who said why worry. If they get hit, they can sue the driver.
Accidents can happen, but pedestrians also need to watch out for cars.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:52

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:52
Apparently losing a leg or getting killed is not a concern.

"If they get hit, they can sue the driver" - great attitude that, at a would guess, we have inherited from the yanks.

Oh That's right. We can ask Google!!!

Phil

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 15:29

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 15:29
Many years of experience have taught me this;

"It's not that bad!"....YET!

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 17:30

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 17:30
Pedestrians have right if way (priority) over a vehicle making a left hand turn, when they are crossing the road, unfortunately nobody taught most drivers that rule!
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 18:10

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 18:10
Wasn't that way back a ways. Another thing brought in from Europe or Ameriuca. No confusion. Just the same all around the intersection. So now they look righ, look left but if the car is doing a left turn it doesn't matter. Nah Confusing for kids.

A question: How come in some places in Tassie and up on Thursday Island there is a sign that says that pedestrians are to give way. Nothing about if this or if that. Just that they must give way.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 18:54

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 18:54
It has always been that way!
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Follow Up By: SDG - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 19:08

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 19:08
2nd rule.

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/usingroads/downloads/top_10_misunderstood_road_rules.pdf
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 20:03

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 20:03
I won't deny that it is there now, things change, but neither of us can remember it being in the road rules back in the 50's and 60's when we got our licences.

And don't forget that back then we didn't have cheat exams as practices back then. You had to know all the rules verbatum.

What's the reason that it is there? Anyone know?

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:12

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:12
I can assure you that it applied in 1965!
It's fairly obvious why it applies & it's the responsibility of every driver to acquaint themselves with changed or new traffic rules.

Although I can't understand why changes or additional rules can't be included with registration renewals, it would be very easy to have a program that would collate & include the changes over the preceding 12 months.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:31

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:31
What ever you say sir. It really doesn't matter does it? If a pedestrian is stupid enough to walk out in front of a car then one would be a bigger idiot to hit them. So I will just not drive over them next time. Okay?

It's like going around a round about and a truck on your left is not stopping. It would be best for all if you stopped and let the truck go through, just the same as stopping and not driving over the pedestrian. Rule or no rules.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:37

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:37
No, the turning vehicle has to check for pedestrians!
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:51

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 21:51
Shaker who gives a stuff what the rule is. Who cares who is supposed to look first. If a child does not look right then left etc, are you going to purposely drive over him. Nah. You try to be aware of the "stupid" things that people do. You let the boy go. You let the truck go. And you let the pedestrian past. Regardless of the rule and whatever animal instincts that you have.

Lets face it rules are for those who won't share the road. They are for those selfish buggers that press the lights button but do not wait for the green. Rules are for the mugs who go and drink a belly full, and then drive home.

A responsible, sharing and considerate member of society really should not need a rule book stuck to their forehead.

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Follow Up By: TTTSA - Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 10:35

Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 10:35
Hahaha, exactly right Phil, that "rule" is not going to save your arse in court after you have run someone over. But, but,but, Judge the rule says...................................!!

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Reply By: Member - Odog - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 09:50

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 09:50
G"day all
Have to agree with the amount of roos in Canberra, I drive from Queanbeyan to fyshwick at 4:30am every day, in the warmer months I sometimes ride a BMW adventure to work, very slowly.. It's not so much the ones that jump out in front, but dead ones left in the middle of the road. By the time you see them, you don't have much time, lights on bikes aren't real bright.. Every week there is more evidence of someone having a roo strike. I feel much safer in the prado... With a bull bar.. Cheers Odog
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:47

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:47
Odog, Roos were a prized bit of tucker ... once, so their numbers were controlled.

Now we have reduced their predation and improved their habitat so their numbers are booming, every where. Back when Canberra was a big paddock there it would have been a lot drier, less feed for them and there probably were more Dingoes therefore there would have been far less Roos to worry about. Along comes progress, more water, nice parks, dogs under control. people feeding Roos, me included, and next thing you know they are every where. We do not shoot them here at home anymore, no inclination to go spotlighting.

About the only thing doing anything to control numbers is road kill, in the main.

Here on the Mid North Coast NSW you have to share the Golf Courses with the Roos. If they don't like you they attack you.
I think you would want to get in first with a good wood, I reckon. LOL
A good backswing set on its left ear would do the trick.

Now there is a cat set amongst the pigeons.

I'm outa here.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:56

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:56
Saw a huge mob of 50+ near Jerrabombera right near that speed camera. On the left as you drive from Queanbeyan to Hume. Bloody big mob and heading for the road to boot.

I wonder if they would stop at traffic lights. Let's face it roos must have more brains than those who walk at Dont Walk lights.

A bloke we know had a smash repair place and a wreckers and he was always amazed why people don't have bull bars in the country. Good business for him so he really wasn't complaining, mind you.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:11

Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:11
Hi Phil,
I used to reckon sheep were the most stupid animal ever given breath, but as I see heaps of Roos between my place and town especially along the road shoulder eating the green pick I have noticed that their eyesight is not good, their directional hearing is apparently not brilliant either. When they hear you coming at about 100 metres or more they sit up, more or less look in your direction and when you are about level with them they take off straight out in front of you. Happened to me thousands of times.

I now believe that Kangaroos are the most stupid of animals purely because of their suicidal tendencies. It is as though they were saying to themselves "Oh, there's a car coming, I had better jump out in front of it". Not even sheep are that stupid, but they do come close.

Some of the more intelligent and confident ones will just sit where they are while you pass but they are few in number, the and more skittish ones will beat a hasty retreat away from the road, sometimes. The others become roadkill.

I also agree with you Phil that road rules are for the ignorant / belligerent among us who think the road is theirs and rules are not for them.

It takes less time to give way than hang around waiting for the coppers to arrive and sort the mess out in the event of an accident, irrespective of rules.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:20

Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:20
I guess that it's a bit like "turning the other cheek" as JC would put it. But at least we live to drive and eat and love another day.

But maybe the kangaroos are just imitating the americanism of australia and trying to out do this buck.



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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:40

Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:40
Hahahahahahahahahahaha,

Hey Phil did the coppers catch up with that Buck???

That was a clear case of "Fail to stop". LOL

Should be a clear warning to all those bike couriers in the big cities.

I'll bet that Buck had had a huge grin on his face.

You've made my day Phil. LOL

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Reply By: SDG - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:44

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:44
I bowled over a roo the other week on Kangaroo Island. Was amazed at no damage done to my car with that big bumper bar fitted to the front of the Pajero. Any bigger, and it might have been different. A bullbar is getting put on when I can, just in case.
As for Canberra, I think a cull is needed there. To many Greenies there though to allow that to happen.
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:19

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:19
So the logic to all this is.
We should make bullbars compulsory?
We should ban bullbars in all built up areas apart from Canberra? Don't bring your truck to town son!
We should pay lots more taxes and put all town roads underground so pedestrians never mix with traffic?
We should train and licence all pedestrians of all ages because they seem to be the only ones making errors and distraction by phones and headphones etc.

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 15:33

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 15:33
Nope you missed the message underpinning the safety of Awstraylian society...."all teenagers......and kangaroos should be shot on sight!"

Or get a roo bar!


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Follow Up By: SDG - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 16:26

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Should rename the bars to idiot bars, teenager bars, phone bars, or the like.
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Follow Up By: Life Member-Doug T NSW - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 17:20

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 17:20
No No No SDG..

You'll get em barred.....
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