Sunday, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:58
Hi Fab,
Thanks for replying. The very first cars I considered were the territory and adventra, the territory is still a strong possibility. I'll cover a few pros and cons just for anyone else considering these cars as there's a lot of misinformation regarding our local products especially regarding reliability.
The territory is a solid all round proposition and so far has been the most comfortable of all. The SY/SY2 are cheap as chips even in full ghia trim and of course have the benefit of parts availability and reasonable poor weather ability even on mud and gravel with appropriate tyres. There's a 1 inch lift available and of course a couple of bullbar options but with both the plastic Ford one and the aluminum jobs there's no winch option not recovery points but they will take a little hit from a roo and hold
driving lights.
The SY ball joint has a pull load applied to it causing constant issues with them chewing out (as with every Ford falcon built especially from XA onwards), the SY 2 has a redesign where the load is a push load and the ball joints are living much longer, a retro fit is easy.
Fuel range is limited as only Petrols are in my budget (currently) but the good news is being falcon motors reliable LPI conversions exist essentially giving you cheaper running plus extended range as needed, also available for the turbo variant which is a nice drive especially at higher altitudes with a big load. There are rumours of them bending rods when on gas and this can be partly true BUT this is on cars pre July 06 from memory as both falcon and Territory went to the larger E Gas rods after then, about the time the 6 speed ZF came in from memory, also cars post 2003 should be gas injected and not backfiring anyway so I'd say there's more to "all" these claims.
Whilst on the transmissions there is talk of low Kay failures but you'll probably find most had the shared transmission heat exchanger plate fail within the radiator and allow water to mix with trans fluid causing the paper based friction plates to dissolve. The smart thing to do on your falcon and Territory is to fit an external trans cooler, these can be had for $20 and some hose and pipe flaring or quick connect fittings (depends in series as some went to plastic pipe). This was an issue from BA, Ford knew but wouldn't change the design I assume to save cost.
Pcm reflash is available for all models for increased power and fuel economy but the trade off is switching to higher octane fuel due to more timing at lower rpm which is an issue in remote areas. The base motor is also happy on 91 octane so further savings compared to many high compression Japanese alternatives.
Being a falcon motor they'll leak oil at some point, front main, rear main, rocker cover, timing cover, sump, oil pressure switch, power steering etc it's all possible but they use
top end priority oiling so if you were thick enough to miss the oil leaks and let it
run that low the lifters tend to lose pressure and tick before the bottom suffers bearing damage. Turbo models use a filter on the oil feed to the turbo, many dealers and home mechanics didn't bother changing these causing turbo failures on otherwise very reliable Garrett units.
Intake manifold gaskets can perish causing a vacuum leak, cheap and easy to fix I'd suggest it as a preventative measure as new gaskets won't fail.
There's a few other bits but nothing I can think of worth mentioning right now.
The adventra...
I really liked the idea but too many cons for me. The v6 has a few issues, the alloytec was prone to stretch timing chains in early models so if you find a low Kay car this may still need addressing. The oil pickup is tiny and previous lack of maintenance or even poorly done maintenance (gasket material making it into the sump) will block them and seize them solid.
They're thirsty as a 6cyl and once loaded they drink like the 8 with none of the benefits, the advantage to the 6 is stability control and 5speed auto although not fantastic still more modern than the 4l60/4l65e.
The LS1 version is the better option but not without faults. It is thirsty, partly for using the base 225/235kw tunes and partly for having lean cruise completely disabled from factory. These engines with appropriate headers and catback exhaust can be flashed to 300kw on 98 octane and improving fuel use with the additional timing added but all benefit is lost in extra fuel cost. A 95 octane tune is a compromise and would improve economy by some 2 litres per 100 kays but this is still a lot especially when they're known to use close to 20L per 100 with no load, turning on lean cruise is not recommended due to the cars increased weight and expected operating conditions (hot weather, high load, poor fuel) vs a non awd variant.
The 4l60 auto is reasonable, it can suffer if abused but is usually pretty solid, the 1st to second gear rpm drop is big but this does allow it to get of the line reasonably quick and crawl quite slow if needed, it does feel a bit old fashioned in its shifts though due to this wide rstio and can hunt a bit for upper gears at highway speed due to the again wide spread between 3rd and 4th gears. Some VY2 and all VZ adventra I believe are fitted with the 4l65e as used by hsv, whilst having the same ratios and behavior it's more likely to hold up.
The adventra is big, it's on the LWB floor pan so it's ramp over and relative low ground clearance can be very limiting for some types of driving, it's overall length is also larger than the territory and even some full size suv/4x4s. I'm already driving a falcon this size and would prefer a downgrade in length.
Safety is so so, 4 star ancap but with a bit of body movement as per most vt-vz models, dual frontal airbags, combined side/head airbags for front
seat only, abs, traction control active headrests I think, no stability control on v8 models.
The lx8 versions are fully loaded though and basically have caprice /grange interiors with comfortable SS seats, the ride like the territory is great and unlike all these big dollar jap cars it also has good
seat and wheel adjustment.
Again winch, recovery, fuel are concerns, also low Kay examples are asking too much money compared to the better Territory, paying 12k for a cheap adventra plus 4.5k for lpg makes it a non option for me.
I'm sure I've missed lots but these are some of my observations with having worked on and driven them, I'm a little rusty on my info as I've been away from the game a few years but I'm confident most of that's right.
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