Big Brother??

Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 08:54
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"GO TO WRITE MESSAGE IN SMS
WRITE A MESSAGE eg LOCATE
SEND TO 1715678
WAIT FOR GPS COORDINATES AND MELWAYS REFERENCE BY IMMEDIATE RETURN."

This is what a friend sent me earlier today. I don't know how accurate the co-ordinates are however I tested it and received a response as the message suggested. Makes you wonder what's next. I suspect that mobile phones are capable of being traced at any time when turned on?? Nothing to hide nothin to fear I guess.
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Reply By: Savvas - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:04

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:04
Bugger ... doesn't seem to work in Sydney
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:04

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:04
BTW, what network are you using? I'm on Optus GSM and I get no response.
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Reply By: Member - Luxoluk - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:10

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:10
I am on Telstra and in Melb. I'm still reeling from the surprise of this
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Reply By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:27

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:27
We're in the ACT, one telstra and one optus, doesn't work here!!!
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Follow Up By: paul2.8d - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 15:28

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 15:28
Hi Steve, how long ago did you camp at flea creek, am thinking of doing a night there over easter, and then on to blue waterhole ,Cheers Paul ACT as well.......
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 15:58

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 15:58
Paul,

That pic was taken about 3 weeks ago, on the way home from a weekend at Micalong Nature Reserve.

I haven't actually camped at Flea creek but know some who have. Nice spot, lots of people stop there on their way through the Brindies on day trips, can be busy traffic wise. Also seems a popular place for people to leave their vehicles to unload trail bikes.

Have you been to Flea Creek before???

Steve
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Follow Up By: paul2.8d - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 16:04

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 16:04
I went there sunday week ago to check it out possibly for a fish and an over nighter, was a very nice spot, then on to blue waterhole, if i can find the map that some work mates used a while back.
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Follow Up By: paul2.8d - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 16:04

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 16:04
I went there sunday week ago to check it out possibly for a fish and an over nighter, was a very nice spot, then on to blue waterhole, if i can find the map that some work mates used a while back.
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 18:13

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 18:13
If you need a hand with directions, let me know, I'm more than happy to help!!!!!

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Follow Up By: paul2.8d - Wednesday, Mar 24, 2004 at 08:33

Wednesday, Mar 24, 2004 at 08:33
Hi again Steve, do you have some kind of mud map or know of a sight where i can get a map on how to get to Bluewater hole, from Piccadilly Circus end? I know there is a right hand turn off Piccadilly about 10 km's in, that takes you through some rough stuff, then a good climb and back on to Picaddilly again.

Thanks Paul...
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Thursday, Mar 25, 2004 at 22:13

Thursday, Mar 25, 2004 at 22:13
Sorry haven't been to Blue Waterhole before!! Must get there though!! Maybe once we're back from holiday I get out to have a look!!!
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:28

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:28
Optus in Bris does nought.
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Reply By: Mad Dog Morgan (Victoria) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:31

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:31
CDMA base stations must be synchronised down in the nano second for the system to work, using the GPS system is a cheap and accurate way to acheive the timing.
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Reply By: Member - Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:45

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:45
worked for me in Romsey...though unable to find suitable street directory...bit like the council...ahahhaaha
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Reply By: Member - TuffLux (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:54

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:54
Works in Adelaide on telstra but don't have a gps to check accuracy.

Anyone able to check this??
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Reply By: robb - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:58

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:58
Doesnt work in Sydney on Vodafone....
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:04

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:04
Just tried this sitting in my office in Adelaide. Using Telstra GSM.

Within 30 secs I got a Lat Long location but no street directory ref. (Same as Mrs Al).

Amazing. This means that if you are out fishing or bushwalking but still within GSM coverage then you can get you location and send the rescue authorites your exact co-ordinates as an SMS. Chalk one up for technology.

Now to see how accurate it is against my Meridian. Stay tuned!

Steven
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:20

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:20
Just read an article on ZDnet, the only thing I could find that mentions this. The article is about a new service being developed for taxis which will use this SMS service. Apparantly the SMS location thing is being trialled by Teslra and Optus in parts of the country (presumably Adl and Mel), and soon you may be able to use your phone to order a taxi.

You just SMS "taxi" to a certain number and the phone system will locate you, locate the nearest available cab (via GPS in the cab) and send a message to the cab with your location as a street reference. The customer gets back a confirmation number by SMS when a cab is assigned to them.

Presumably you could set up an account with the cab company which could identify you from the number sending the original request. That way premium customers get premium service.

How cool would that be if it works????

Steven
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 18:46

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 18:46
Hmmm....

Looks like it is still in the experimental stage. I checked the co-ordinates returned in the message from two seperate locations. In both examples the reported location was 73km to the south east of my actual location.

At least they are developing something that may be useful. As long as they don't whack a $5 charge on it!!!

Steven
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 19:05

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 19:05
Those who are interested - here is an interesting article:

http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,8364562,00.html

Click Link (for lazy clickers)

The original comment re "Big Brother" seems to be spot on!!

Steven
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Reply By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:08

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:08
Just tried again with both phones but this time typed "LOCATE" all uppercase. Worked with the Telstra phone still nothing on the Optus. Was this a fluke or is it case sensitive?.

Also received GPS data but no street directory info!!!
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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:33

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:33
I just tried it on my cdma in Yeppoon and it said "this service is currently unavailable at the moment".
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Reply By: Andrew - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:47

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:47
Hi All

On Telstra

Worked for me in Melbourne, well sort of

gave me a melway reference of A 8 when it should have been B or C 7 (close to the line) so it is not that accurate.
Haven't got the GPS today so I can't ckeck that.

Still, very interesting with lots of possibilities

regards
A
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Reply By: Dennis (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 11:26

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 11:26
Works on Telstra in Brisbane, no street directory detail
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Reply By: Member - Gajm (VIC) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 12:24

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 12:24
No luck with Vodafone in Melb
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Follow Up By: Member - Gajm (VIC) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 12:51

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 12:51
I called a mate who has Telstra in melb too, I thought he may have had his GPS with him in his car but no luck either....his opinion was it would be giving you details to where the closest phone tower was anyway, plus he wasn't going to try it incase it cost him $5 for the sms
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 13:52

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 13:52
Luxoluk,

Just checked the numbers on the GPS, only a few metres out, however I was a few metres away from the GPS when I made the call.

Your friend must have some time on his/her hands ,but thank him/her for the information.

Wayne
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 13:54

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 13:54
I tried it and it and was 36kms out.... But not too bad...
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:04

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:04
It was an interesting find. It probably is more accurate in the metro areas where there is a higher concentartion of towers from which to triangulate. I will check the numbers when I get home tonight to see how accurate it is. It's something different I suppose!!?? Perhaps the beginning of something better to come!!??

Cheers
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Reply By: tim - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:05

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:05
Worked for me in thomastown melbourne.
Co-ordinates and melways reference not sure how accurate without my gps but will check tonight
What a great idea if you are lost so you can get help.
Only hope it will be accurate enough for people to find you
Cheers tim
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Reply By: Member - Wim (Bris) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:15

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:15
Luxoluk
Check it out Bayside Bris. Looks to be Approx 10k out. checked against GSP.
Maybe early days. Have not found anybody at Telstra support who knows about this. But there comments, "many calls in the last few hours".
US of A emergency services apparently us this system to locate source of mobile call.
Could be a could backup if extended to CDMA.

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Reply By: Russell [Pajero] - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:46

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 14:46
Wouldn.t ya know, "service offline at present try again later"

Russell
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Reply By: KiwiAngler - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 16:50

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 16:50
I am located in Sydney, Hills district. I got co-ords opened up Mapsource Australian Metroguide and created a new waypoint using the waypoints supplied. Distance from waypoint to my actual location using this method 16mtrs. Close enough for me :-))
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 17:20

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 17:20
KiwiAngler,

What network are you on?
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 17:22

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 17:22
Telstra
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Reply By: ExplorOz Team - David - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 17:15

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 17:15
That is nice - I just tested it with my GPS and mobile phone however the result was out by 1.2km. I runa the test twice and compared the results on two GPS units.

It does look like a nice feature, and I am sure the iMapPlot system will be able ot make use of this.

Good post.
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Reply By: Pesty - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 18:45

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 18:45
Luxolk
Hi just tried with telstra cdma in mid nth South Aus and came back " Service currently ofline"
Cheers
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Reply By: Andy - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 19:02

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 19:02
Didn't work in Warrandyte - Melbourne on Orange CDMA.

#$#@*&^%$#@ Orange
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Reply By: Member - Anne - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 20:15

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 20:15
Hi Luxoluck,

I've been trying all day here in the Adelaide Hills, and all I get is "this service is not available try later". I'm on Telstra CDMA. Very frustrating! I hope I can get it to work tomorrow!
Anne
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Follow Up By: Member - Anne - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 22:19

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 22:19
OK - I've checked it on the other half's GSM phone (Telstra) and it worked. It's about 400metres out in latitude and spot on for longitude. No street directory reference! Spooky!!!
Anne and Millny
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 20:21

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 20:21
Seems to be GSM only guys.
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Reply By: Mad Dog Morgan (Victoria) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 22:58

Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 22:58
Lots of info on the web about this, search on gsm locaton services. It appears that Telstra is just doing a catch up on what is already operating in a number of countries. I guess funds were a little short for R&D
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