Are Grey Nomads travelling this year.

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There seems to be a huge decline in grey nomads this year in Kakadu, however I have heard that Kakadu is not the only place there is a decline.

I was at Cooinda the other day and I could have fired a shot gun through the camp ground and not hit anyone, the same at Aurora in Jabiru.

The park is all but fully open Jim Jim opened yesterday Twin falls is about a week away, Koolpin is open Gunlom is open Maguk is open 2 mile hole is open all the camp grounds are open, its just a few places like 4 mile hole Graveside gorge and red lilly that are still closed, but it won't be long before they are open.

Any way just wondering.
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Reply By: axle - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 16:52

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 16:52
All about the cost Steve,! ...Retirees especially self funded have to tread carefully nowadays, IMHO.


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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:06

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:06
Yeah my old man is self funded and just taken a hit with Joe's budget cuts, mum and dad may not travel north this year and as they say neither will a lot of their friends.

Joe didn't take a look at the follow on effect his cuts to the older generation might have on other things like tourism, what is the grey nomad industry worth?? last time I heard it was about 10 billion, maybe not this year.
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Reply By: Member - mechpete - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 16:59

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 16:59
could it be because the locals get it in no charge ,an the sucker tourists
have to pay ???? I for one won,t be wasting my money
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:08

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:08
$25 really.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:17

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:17
It's actually $25 each, lest than a carton of beer, to use a world heritage national park that is the same size as some small European countries.

You can use the park for 2 weeks and if you like it you can have your pass stamped for another 2 weeks free.

Wasting your money that makes me laugh.
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Follow Up By: MARIC - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 21:33

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 21:33
$25 .... really, some pensioners are on a part pension eg we get $600 total a fortnight, adds up doesn't it ... by the time you get there
sorry I might seem a little disparaging ;o((
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:30

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:30
MARIC if you can afford to drive here, I recon you can afford the $25 to visit.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:02

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:02
MARIC If you get $600 a fortnight you must have other revenue

We actually get less than that and we managed a year around the block.

We didnt begrudge paying the park fees and Uluru is dearer in comparison as was only for 3 days. If you have to growl about $25 maybe you shouldnt go.

Cost us a $1000 a week for the trip approx and had a great time.
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Follow Up By: MARIC - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:32

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:32
No other revenue, it's known ..... according to Centre Link asset rich, and income poor
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Follow Up By: MARIC - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:35

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:35
Steve .......... there are other places in Australia namely in WA I would rather see than driving up there
Might I suggest you try surviving on our income 50 k's out of a country town and regularly receiving medical attention
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 16:23

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 16:23
MARIC that comment wasn't directed at you personally, it was just making a statement.

My point is why would you come all this way to miss it, now that would be false economy.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:21

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:21
Just to get it straight. Is it a one off fee of $25 each or $25 per night per head.

If $25 per person each night then I would rather stay at a motel or give it a miss.

Don't like the discrimination though regardless of which government set it up.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:29

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:29
vk1dx check out follow up 2 of this post for your answer.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:29

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:29
This tells you
http://www.parksaustralia.gov.au/kakadu/plan-your-trip/passes-and-permits.html

Would be a lot cheaper than a motel for the same period
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 19:30

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 19:30
Steve. I saw that post and that is why I asked how much. That post says $25 each for two weeks and then free. That can go both ways mate. $25 each person or $25 each day. Look again.

Taking the buffering out this is what you typed. "It's actually $25 each . . . . . You can use the park for 2 weeks"

I gather that you mean you can stay for two weeks for an initial cost of $25 each person. Is that right?

I was thinking it was $25 a day per person was bloody stupid but not outside those types of communities and no wonder there wasn't a "full house".
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 21:27

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 21:27
It is $25 per adult, a once of fee for 2 weeks and then you can re stamp it for free for another 2 weeks free, as I said in comparison to other parks in or outside Australia it is cheap.

I know people think that National parks should be free to all Australians but what they don't understand is that Kakadu is NOT crown land, it was given back in the late 70s under the land rights act, it is owned by nineteen different aboriginal clan groups.

Kakadu is leased by the federal government to run it as a National Park with joint management, the Kakadu board of management is used as an advisory to government policy in the running of the park under the plan of management document.

There is a plan of management tabled in parliament every 7 years, the next will be 10 years, this document is how the park will be managed through that time, the plan is utilized by the kakadu board of management to implement policy during this time, this plan also has a sister document that is the tourism master plan.

The fee is monies to help run the park, and to be honest it is a boost to lost monies taken by previous budget cuts to the running of the park.

I hope this helps people understand the why there is a need for a fee to kakadu and other parks run by Parks Australia.

I hope this clears thing up as to why a fee is charged in this national park.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:43

Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:43
$50 for two weeks is not a problem. $50 a night is.

No need to get hot under the colour or worse still, political. I just had a simple, straight forward, honest question.

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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Friday, May 29, 2015 at 18:04

Friday, May 29, 2015 at 18:04
Calm down mate, I wasn't hot under the collar.

I just thought I could share some of what I thought was some informative info with this forum, perhaps I shouldn't have bothered.

To be honest my post above was pretty easy to understand.
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:00

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:00
There's been a lot passing through along the Newell Highway lately.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:10

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:10
yeah it is normally hundreds of them here asking why the place is closed just after the wet season, and now it's open no one is here.

We had a very small wet this year so the ranger worked their but off and got it open early, all credit to them.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 22:55

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 22:55
"We had a very small wet this year so the ranger worked their but off and got it open early, all credit to them."

Perhaps that is the answer Steve - the fact that the park is open earlier than expected. Those planning a trip many months ahead would be counting on getting there at a time it is sure to be open.

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Reply By: Mikee5 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:24

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:24
Hi Steve,
Karumba was the same, less that half full at both caravan parks whereas you used to have to book a year ahead to get a site. No common reason given by those who didn't show. Money, health, distance, going overseas instead.
More fish for those that are there.....
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:29

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:29
Mum and dad were there last year, but won't be going this year, my uncle was with them as well and he isn't going either.
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Reply By: Australian Landscape Jewellery - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:33

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:33
I have been thinking the same. The number of overseas tourists seems to be holding up, probably connected to the fallen Oz $. There seems to be a higher percentage (as a proportion of the total, rather than an increase in actual numbers) of people travelling by plane.
It might also be connected to changing car sales. 4WD sales are high but far more of them are lighter suvs suggesting that fuel prices are biting.
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Reply By: Slow one - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:41

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:41
Steve,
it is probably the economy that is limiting numbers or returns from investments. Distance may have some bearing on it and pricing. I don't believe the $25 for 14 days in the park would cause is a problem. As a foot note. I think charging someone who is not a territorian and not charging a local is not well received. It is one land we live in and should not be segregated by what state we come from, otherwise a huge can of worms is opened.

We are traveling at the moment and doing a lot less K's per day to reduce cost, plus we look at value for money if staying in a van park, campground or showground.

We have stayed at Cooinda and Jabiru but can't remember the pricing. I don't know if that has some bearing on lack of numbers.

The economic uncertainty and the end of the mining boom may also have a bearing.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:50

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 17:50
Yeah the non charge to locals was a federal government thing, it was all about vote buying but I won't go there, as I believe they should be charged double as it is the Darwin locals that do all the damage.

The entry fee is not an issue either, ( only for a few) I worked at Bowali over the wet season selling park passes and didn't have to many issues with people paying.

As I said it isn't just Kakadu, any way we will see what happens.

The school holidays are not a problem I am just about fully booked.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 18:29

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 18:29
Steve,

Slow one has pretty much said it for me. Including having stayed at Jabiru and Cooinda. A week in each last year. Did the East Alligator and Yellow Water tours. Thoroughly enjoyed both.
I too don't see $25 each being a huge factor although it will to some. Also agree with "locals" getting in free does rub a bit while others have to cough up, but it wouldn't stop me going.
Personally we are probably only going to the NW of WA this year. We did the "lap of the block" last year. 6 months and thoroughly enjoyed it.
For what it's worth I too think economic uncertainty is playing on the minds of many grey nomads and for some the latest budget could be a bit of a worry.
No idea about what effect the weather is having in the eastern states but here in WA we are experiencing what I think is termed an Indian Summer. Maybe as winter starts to bite a bit more will be remembering the warmer northern climate and hooking up the van.
Also just for us, we were thinking along the lines of experiencing a northern wet next time but many, including yourself have said this years wet was a very mild one.
Maybe next year???

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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 18:09

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 18:09
It's probably a bit early for the southerners to get up there. A few years ago the Broome caravan park was only getting full each night towards the end of June.


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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 18:56

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 18:56
Perhaps it is a little early yet?

Last year we were traveling the Kimberley and returned to Adelaide around 15th June.
On the way down the Stuart Highway, hoards of Grey Nomads in a myriad of different rigs and vans, trailers, etc., were on their way north.

So maybe early June is when the majority of Nomads will "migrate".



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Reply By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 20:05

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 20:05
Heading up from Melbourne late June. In Kakadu early July. Happy from a selfish perspective if crowds are down. Still working so only there for one week. Last there in 1983. How are the mozzies? Big and mean like they were back then?
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 21:18

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 21:18
WA June long weekend is the trigger for the Albany/Esperence mob to go to Broome for 3 months.
Cable Beach caravan Park has charging levels change upwards on 1 June every year.
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Follow Up By: MARIC - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 21:37

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 21:37
Thought we might head for the desert and do some prospecting become modern day Lassister's , we'll let you know when we strike it rich .... well give or take a 100 ks or so and bush camping sounds great no phones no internet and only sat tf or hf radio
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Reply By: Grumblebum and the Dragon - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 09:29

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 09:29
$25 is not too bad...... try crossing the Jardine River going north to Cape York, about $145 with a van - but we stayed for a couple of months with plenty of free camping last year. Great spot. Never done Kaka'dont
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:28

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:28
If you have never been to Kakadu, why call it kaka, don't.

I find you comment insulting.
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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 15:51

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 15:51
Bit thin skinned Steve. I have heard it called worse names. Yes, from people who have been there! No different to Bris-vegas or Sin-city..

Its also very common for Aussies to butcher up names and alter them. I have heard it called this by many locals (when I lived in Arhem Land for 20 years).
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 16:19

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 16:19
No mate not thin skinned at all, in fact my skin would be as thick as an old bull buffalo.

The reason I find it insulting is, I have spent 41 years in the region and 21 of those working hard to give Kakadu a good name, I will be damned if I will let someone who has never been here call it Kaka'don't.

So I suppose I take it personally when I here these sort of comments.
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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:17

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 17:17
Unfortunately Steve if you google kaka don't you will find many people who have visited have also given it this nick name. You may have worked hard and have a vested interest but others are there on holidays and for whatever reason it doesn't meet their expectations they will always have a derogatory nickname if its suits. Not your fault. I worked for a large company that had a real s@#$#^&se name amongst many. I did my absolute best and I know people were happy with my work.

I have a thick hide also and at the end of the day you are in a service industry and negative comments ( many tongue in cheek as what kakadont is) will always be part of the scene. I do agree that sometimes slagging off on a place that you have never been too can seem a stupid thing to do.

All you can do is enjoy what you have and ignore the negativity. I have been all over Kakadu and the East Arnhem areas and know that tourists don't see one tenth of what it has to offer. Kakadu is also not a one day drop in and see all.

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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 22:15

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 22:15
I know what you are saying bigfish, none the less it just P@#$%$ me off.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 23:00

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 23:00
In our travels north, we met the "Kakadon't" people in campgrounds, but the further north we went, the greater the Do's and less of the Don'ts. The Do's were from those who had actually been there. A big DO for Kakadu from us. We loved our visit there; a truly amazing place.



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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Friday, May 29, 2015 at 06:18

Friday, May 29, 2015 at 06:18
People often compare Kakadu with Leitchfield...Not really a fair thing to do. Like comparing a falcon Gt with a Hyundai and doing a test on performance!!

Litchfield is a hell of a lot smaller than Kakadu and closer to Darwin. It is easy access and you can see a hell of a lot in a day.Kakadu requires several days minimum AND the traveller must go out and get absorbed in not only the sights but the sounds and emotions the place offers. It can be kakadont to some but the smart tourist will get a rich experience..

Even though the locals get in for free it is estimated that few locals actually go there very often. Like most other places...people tend to do a big trip on holidays.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Jun 04, 2015 at 19:29

Thursday, Jun 04, 2015 at 19:29
I always thought the Kakadont moniker came from locals AKA anyone from darwin etc
it used to be a great place for them to go netting the billabongs, shooting buffaloe and poaching crocs and camping out remote style

all the rules and regs and changes that came with the NP and in thier eyes the place was ruined
hence Kakadont

I kind of see thier POV the Gawler ranges NP way back when was a great place for shooting, camping dirt bike riding etc etc for us as kids
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:59

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:59
400 odd A'van club members currently in Longreach for their AGM.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 22:13

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 22:13
There is definitely a decline or maybe just a late start.
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Reply By: Pimbi - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 16:13

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 16:13
Don,t worry, they are on their way.Thats if they are intending to go north via WA.Have never seen so many caravaners on the Eyre Hwy heading to WA
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Reply By: LIFE MEMBER-snailbait - Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 18:58

Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 18:58
Why dont you ask the service station owners why is the cost of Fuel over $2 per litres in most places
To get from Perth it could be $2000 plus return to get to Broome
To get from Sydney it could be $4000 plus return to Darwin

Lets get correct Grey nomads can not afford that every year and also Councils closing down rest areas

Cum on do not bash the Grey nomads
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 20:12

Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 20:12
UM who is bashing grey nomads, I only ask if there was a decline I did bash anyone, I mean why would I my parents are grey nomads.

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Reply By: get outmore - Thursday, Jun 04, 2015 at 19:24

Thursday, Jun 04, 2015 at 19:24
I was in Kakadu sept last year and first thing i noticed was how we almost had the place to ourselves even places like Gunlum had mabe another 2 vehicles
twin falls and jim jim perhaps 5 vehicles max for the day.
stuffing up the really nice grassed close to the water campsite at gunlum and instead providing a dustbowl a cut lunch and a waterbag from the falls probabally didnt help
my recolection from 2003 was one of the nices places ive camped
- last year i couldnt see any reason to stay longer than i had too
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Reply By: Slow one - Friday, Jun 05, 2015 at 04:22

Friday, Jun 05, 2015 at 04:22
Steve,
There are a lot of vans heading north on the Newell now. I guess the cold is chasing many north.

There are also many camper trailers heading north as well but some might not get there, as a few are being driven by suicide jockeys.

On a side note. I don't know why there are Kakadon't people as I found Kakadu awesome. Prices for me were reasonable considering the location and fuel prices at jabiru were ok.
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