Some observations and comments

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Just returned from our latest trip to the NT and western Qld and I am seeking comment on some observations that I feel need to be addressed.

1: the increasing number of travellers towing vans, campertrailers and those who are not, that either have or do have but don't bother to turn their CB on,
especially those with their channel posted on the rear of their rig on those roads when you really need them!!

2: On 2 occasions campers who left their camp fire burning when they left !!

3: On asking several when the time was right (I hate to say it but it's necessary) women at campsites fuel stops and the like can they drive the rig if need be? the answer many times was ,NO!

4: the number of those towing that are unable to reverse them or park them in "not so tight"spots.
I know it's fairly easy for a lot of us ,but really !

5: Who drives with their headlights on during the day, much easier to spot them approaching, many don't.

Thats about it and looking forward to your response.

Cheers and happy travels

Ed (Willawa)


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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 18:35

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 18:35
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Ed, it's not a perfect world. You just have to accept that some others do not behave in the manner that you feel they should.

If you don't accept this it will simply raise your blood pressure and do you no good.

Look for the positives.... those who do please you.... and enjoy that.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 18:47

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I'm positive there are a lot of knuckleheads out there... :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - willawa - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 18:53

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 18:53
Blood pressure fine Allan
just some observations
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:29

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:29
" it's not a perfect world. You just have to accept that some others do not behave in the manner that you feel they should. "

Couldn't agree more - we would all like things to be better but it won't happen !!

Happy and safe travels

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Reply By: Member - Mark C (QLD) - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:42

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:42
Hello Ed
We also have just spent 10 weeks heading to Darwin and back vis Savannah’s way and back via Central Australia and lake Eyre, SA.
I agree with all and also so many not acknowledging a wave on outback roads when they may be the only person you see all day.
My wife especially noticed all of your points but her biggest bugbear is toilet paper at camps and roadside stops. She wrote a big rant in WikiCamps and gave suggestions to women about having a zip tie bag to take your paper away or just shake and use a twig or leaf but please do not leave toilet paper where it doesn’t rain for years and dingos dig it up.

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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:49

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 19:49
Ed
Can't help with the campfires but you can have a sign on rear of your rig to ask them to turn on the UHF. Perhaps a running LED sign to that effect which can be turned on as you overtake.
Many women are fearful of learning to drive the unit and have to contend with the unforgiving male who drives it.

Many have no skills in reversing anything, not uncommon, so a caravan is a no no. Although headlight can be seen easily, if you can't see an oncoming vehicle and van, Specsavers may be required.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark C (QLD) - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:16

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:16
I don’t think they were complaints as such just observations. Has any one else noticed them also?
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:29

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:29
The W.A. Police regularly advise motorists to turn their headlights on in country areas, particularly when travelling at highway speeds - it's been proven to increase visibility, and does improve your chances of being seen by other drivers, who are not totally "switched on".

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Reply By: Member - rocco2010 - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:20

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 20:20
I can understand why some people might be reluctant to leave the UHF on, particularly on routes where there are a lot of trucks.

I travelled the Great Northern Highway in WA twice in recent weeks. The escorts and drivers of the many wide loads I encountered were models of professionalism, helping smaller vehicles past the mobile road blocks with a minimum of fuss.

The same can’t be said for some other drivers whose language was beyond blue.

Call me old fashioned if you like but it is not what I would want to hear if I had a wife or kids in the car.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:33

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:33
I've got a UHF in the Hilux, and the amount of verbal drivel, abuse, swearing, and general rubbish talk on Channel 40, around the metro area, is disgraceful.

However, in the country, the levels are reduced somewhat, but there's still too much garbage on the UHF airwaves.

And the number of people who can't speak clearly and understandably on the radio is substantial.

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:02

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:02
X 2, Ron. We have few problems with UHF on the highways and leave it on for most of the time (off when the language gets too much), but turn it off near and in the metro areas.

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Reply By: Leigh H - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 22:27

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 22:27
Hi willawa
Just an observation from your profile picture but your set up looks overweight? Down on rear suspension and raised significantly at the front. I often cite the expression of the tail wagging the dog. Perhaps your picture is not telling the true story in which case ignore me!! Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - willawa - Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:30

Monday, Sep 02, 2019 at 23:30
Will do Leigh
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 07:27

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 07:27
I have noticed several vans which state channel 18 I don't know why.

I leave my uhf off in the big smoke (language) until we get outside then I put it on 40 so that I pick up wide loads with plenty of time to find a place to pull over and so I can quickly talk to large trucks.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:18

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:18
Hi Alan H,

I travel with my fixed UHF on Channel 18, and a portable on Channel 40, that way I can hear both. Ch.40 tends to be a bit blue, so have this turned down so that only I can hear it. I know I could set the fixed UHF to scan both 18 & 40, but then you have the issue with language. I also have DRL's, so generally don't use headlights during the day, unless very dusty.

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:05

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:05
"I have noticed several vans which state channel 18 I don't know why."

CH 18 is the commonly accepted travellers channel.
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyV - Thursday, Sep 05, 2019 at 14:51

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Reply By: Bruce and Di T - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:26

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:26
We've just returned from a NT trip too.

We drive with running lights on all of the time.

I tow our rig. I have backed it on several occasions, but we seem to have perfected a system where he backs and I direct.

I frequently turn our UHF off due to poor language and the fact that some people just use it as a chat site.

Toilet paper is my gripe too and it's not just women. Have a look at the truck parking bays. All designated Truck parking bays should have toilets as drivers have to stop. In fact all designated parking bays should have toilets.

Rubbish bins at such sites aren't emptied often enough; too much rubbish for the bins so it finishes up on the ground.

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:36

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:36
RUBBISH BINS: people have to use commonsense and NOT put items into a full bin. That behaviour falls to the responsibility of the person, not the lack of it being emptied on time. If a bin is full - keep your rubbish with you and carry until you find another bin that isn't full.
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:35

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:35
Great in theory but reality applies - they should be emptied far more often.

North Sydney Council removed all rubbish bins in the CBD area to try an force people to do the right thing - then they were surprised when people just dumped rubbish in the streets where before it went in bins.

I don't disagree with your sentiment and follow it myself BUT most people don't and that is the reality. Authorities need to accept this and where facilities are provided then authorities need to service them.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:47

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 11:47
Depends what type of society you want to live in. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I don't want a world where we encourage "the authorities" to "look after us". That leads to some very concerning possibilities for what our future society might look like. I would prefer to support a world where we encourage "our community" to look after one another.
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Follow Up By: Bruce and Di T - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 20:04

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Sorry Michelle, but having had a cousin who went round and emptied bins etc in the NT I cannot agree with you. Sure we have to bring out our waste, but so many don't so we have to ensure this is done, ie waste removal.

I agree that we have to take out our waste, but so many don't. I remember coming to a PAR track and finding that someone had left a carton of empty beer bottles there at a station gate. None of us could take it because we had no space to put it onto our gear. I have always thought, "How could we have carried it?" I always feel bad that we didn't remove it.

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Reply By: 9900Eagle - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:38

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:38
AlanH and Maca.

Channel 18 is a caravan and camper van/trailer convoy channel.
Channel 29 is trucks on the Pacific between Syd and Bris.

If you are on 40 you won't hear from many trucks on the Pacific above Sydney.

As for lights on everyone should travel this way. Even with very good eyesight I have done enough K's into the morning sun to know that even big vehicles aren't always seen, depending on the terrain and country.

Many trucking companies mandate the use of lights 24 hours a day for a good reason.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 13:09

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 13:09
9900Eagle,

Thanks for the info, we only use the Pacific Highway when we have to, generally between Ballina & Gold Coast.

We have also found quite a few road construction sites use Ch.18. This can be quite annoying when you are travelling in convoy with other travellers, and trying to communicate with them. I cannot see why the road construction sites don't use a different channel.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 08:57

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 08:57
McLaren 3030 ' road construction crews on 18 ' ......you have very obviously not been paying attention going through long stretches of roadworks , anything upto 10+ different channels in use over a 5-10km stretch for the different crews working the stretch and delivery mud haulers ...type of land also plays a part , hills - flats -corners ..18 is NOT for the exclusive use of grey nomad 'mobile roadblocks' discussing which service station has fuel .01 cent cheaper at the next town .....
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 13:49

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 13:49
Alloy c/t,

Thanks for your insight, and not once did I say that Ch18 is for the “exclusive use of grey nomads mobile roadblocks”, merely that it is recognised as a channel for caravaners. My point was that as there are in excess of 40 channels available, that using one that has another purpose seems a little silly, and annoying for those using it for the purpose it is generally recognised.

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Reply By: Life Member - Duncan W (WA) - Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:42

Tuesday, Sep 03, 2019 at 10:42
G'day Ed, agree with you, but those who can't reverse make for free entertainment in caravan parks etc. WRT not having your radio on I can cite 2 examples where we tried to contact van owners to no avail. One was leaving Derby about to enter the GRR and the van in front of us had a stabiliser leg dangling. Tried all the usual channels and got zip back, often wonder how far they got before they discovered the leg or possible loss of a leg. The other was recently on the Birdsville Track a pop top van went passed with the front of the pop up roof raised due to the clips not being anchored down properly. Whether the roof blew off or not I have no idea but the owners were oblivious to what was happening and our calls to them.

I remember many many years ago driving between Melbourne and Canberra and saw a sign saying that they were trialing driving with headlights on. Thought then that it was a damned good idea and have thought so since. On our recent WA to WA via 7 Australian deserts 7879km trip I can say that we would have been lucky to have seen maybe 40% of vehicles with their headlights on during the day. On gravel roads they are a must but many can't see that.

Also toilet paper everywhere was disgusting. Along the Oodnadatta track at one of the bridges as soon as you got out of the car you could smell human waste and see paper every where. At Giles Breakaway on the GCR it was the same. Who in their right minds would want to camp with all that shit around them beats me.

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Reply By: Member - shane r1 - Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 10:49

Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 10:49
On the Poo ticket / toilet paper subject
My wife and I burn or pick up everywhere we go,we carry long kitchen tongs which are so we don’t have to touch the stuff, but also good for reaching into bushes etc. we also carry paper bags to store our own until we can burn it or dispose of it properly.
Not a nice job cleaning up other people’s crap , but once you get into it it’s satisfying to leave country better than when we arrived.
It’s great when travelers on the CSR last year commented there “wasn’t a lot of paper around” . Our reply was that’s because we were in front of them.

We encourage everyone to take this on , it’s a shame some of us need to clean up after others , but that’s life. You can grumble about it forever , OR I’ve come to having a good feeling, leaving the place better!!
“ Mind you stil swear about the dirty mongrels”

Happy travels

Ps , also can’t understand leaving rubbish behind
“If you can carry it in you can carry it out”
And it’s a lot lighter/ and can be compacted

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 12:39

Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 12:39
x2. Having recently cleaned up a really rubbished campsite, I can attest to the feel good factor. It makes the job worthwhile. Like anyone who frequents this forum, I cannot understand the mentality of the people who left behind what they did.

Underwear, towels, camp chair, cooking utensils, all serviceable, plus rubbish. Maybe they had some kind of emergency and had to leave fast, who knows, but it wasn't pretty.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 18:48

Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 18:48
Hey Frank, I hope they weren't just pigs who'd gone off for a long bushwalk...came back to find all their treasure gone. Lol!
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 11:09

Friday, Sep 06, 2019 at 11:09
Remind me please , when was the vote that made you God ? Cb not on ? Perhaps they are sick of the dribble that infests the airways ... Campfire burning when they left ....ever think they may be back , just getting more timber ? Women can't drive the 'rig' ? Neither can 1/2 the blokes we see ...Reverse the trailer ? So what ? I get the wife to do it , after all its fun to watch while I'm having a beer ... Headlights on ? Its like if everyone wears fluro safety shirts , soon it blends into the mind and does not 'stand out' any more .....Now a Real complaint , 'the next time I see a 4x4 texting while driving I'm going to wind my window down and throw my beer at them' ......so there....
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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 13:25

Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 13:25
Hey Alloy
That reply is a bit unnecessarily aggressive!
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 19:40

Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 19:40
Alloy c/t you got it right mate!
There was a time once if someone had trouble reversing their van others would help.
Why should someone be denied the enjoyment of caravanning just because they haven’t learnt to reverse the van, everyone had to learn at sometime.
UHF radios? I once met a woman on the Nallabor who was over 80 years old who had been calling for help over their uhf for the whole day with no one willing to stop and help. I then formed the opinion that these unlicensed radios are useless.
The other issues, lights on, women can’t tow oh and another post recently where someone was complaining that oncoming drivers didn’t wave to him. Mob of whingers is all I can say.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 20:46

Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 20:46
Re the headlights - the comparison between fluoro shirts and headlights on, lacks logic and is simply not correct.

Everyone on minesites and airport "airside" areas, wears hi-vis. They don't "blend in to the mind", they continue to stand out, that's the reason they wear hi-vis.

There's one woman road train driver who has a website agitating for legislative changes to keep headlights on.

Headlights on 24/7 website

In rural and remote areas particularly, I believe headlights should be left on at all times.

It's been proven with overseas research, that the accident rate reduces by between 7% and 25% when headlights are kept on during the day.

Reversing skills should be practised and acquired if you want to own a big rig.
If you drive a truck, you need good reversing skills.
There's too many people on the road who only have minimal vehicle control skills, and the vehicle "gets away from them" as soon as something even slightly goes wrong.

As regards trying to get help on the Nullarbor - try walking out onto the highway when your vehicle is disabled in the bush, unseen, and then try to flag someone down!

You'll wait for hours before you can get anyone to stop - most people spot you, and only floor it even harder!
I've had to do it, on an Eastern section of the Eyre Hwy, I know what it's like!
They've all been watching too many, "serial killer on the highways" movies!

Cheers, Ron.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 09:54

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 09:54
Ron N , I picked up a hitchhiker last night at 2am in-betweenWinton and Longreach ,,, He asked " Ar'nt you scared he might be a serial killer " ...I told him "what are the odds of 2 serial killers being here on the same stretch of road at the same time" ......
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 20:10

Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 20:10
It may sound sexist, but it's a scientific fact, many women don't have good depth perception. They make up for it in generally better sense of smell and hearing. I would rather any person who doesn't feel confident enough behind the wheel, not be driving. However, this shouldn't bar them from the enjoyment of travelling. You can't assume everyone is capable of driving a big rig, it's unrealistic.
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 22:19

Saturday, Sep 07, 2019 at 22:19
" women dont have good depth perception" - yet women make the best fighter pilots where exceptional depth perception is an absolute must have.

Women may not have good depth perception, they have exceptional depth perception.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 08:10

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 08:10
My comments were based on scientific studies not urban legend. Women may well make great fighter pilots, but not because of their eyesight. They are usually shorter which helps keep the brain supplied with blood under G force, they most definately multitask better and are proven to have a more delicate touch on the controls. Statistically, female helicopter pilots crash less than male pilots.
Anecdotally, my experience with my wife, sister in law, sister, mother, female friends suggests strongly that depth perception, meaning gauging the distance an object is from another is not a strong point for women in general. This does not mean that all women are poor in this area. Any women with excellent depth perception, coupled with the other advantages they have would make exceptional fighter pilots, and be able to handle a big caravan as well. I don't think the OP asked one of those women on his travels.
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 19:45

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 19:45
As with most generalisations, this is flawed.

Facts are that SOME women make excellent fighter pilots. Equally, SOME blokes also make excellent fighter pilots.

Multitasking is a furphy.
Women claim "multitasking" as if it was their right. Fact is that they are NOT doing multiple tasks concurrently. What they ARE doing is slicing the time between a number of tasks. They (and blokes as well) use a well-known operational process called "time division multiplexing" to divide the time between multiple jobs effectively. So, they can cook dinner, set the table, feed the baby and do the washing all at once? No! Actually, they do some of EACH job, then move to the next, do what's required there and move to the next.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 20:33

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 20:33
I don't mind if you want to disagree with scientific studies on multi tasking skills, it's a free country. However, my point still stands, if a women answers no to the question of whether she can drive the big rig, then it probably means she doesn't feel confident in her ability to do so. Therefore, she shouldn't be driving it. Having said that, a good portion of men shouldn't be driving them either, but they do. :-)
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 14:00

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 14:00
On mine sites, there are a lot of women driving big dump trucks, many companies prefer women driving their dump trucks as they are less hard on the equipment. I would think that if they did not have good depth perception, there would be more incidents involving these trucks.

Anecdotally, my wife does not have good depth perception, but has a very keen eye when it comes to pictures not hanging level.

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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 14:14

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 14:14
I would say that if women are driving big dump trucks on mine sites then there is nothing wrong with those women's depth perception. But, most women don't drive big dump trucks or big caravans. My wife won't even drive a car with a box trailer even though I've asked and encouraged her to do so in case something does happen one day.
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 19:52

Sunday, Sep 08, 2019 at 19:52
The driving skills of females varies widely, as it does in blokes as well.
True, SOME women drive big units in mines without incident. The reason is likely due to them being unlikely to have a "testosterone" reaction to being in charge of a freaking big machine with plenty of "grunt".

As another "generalisation" ... females do tend to treat equipment with a less "forceful approach" than blokes do. That might account for the lower number of incidents. I do know that my +1 is less likely to "knock a block of wood into place" than to "gently press it into place". A small difference in approach.
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