Driving Lights and Engine Temperatures

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:40
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Thinking about putting some driving lights on the Landcruiser but it looks like the lights will block most of the air flow through the front grid. Has anyone noticed their average engine temperature go up after fitting lights? I realise that there is no other place to put them but I just looking for observations and opinions here. Thanks.
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Reply By: Savvas - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:51

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:51
I have a pair of 220mm lights fitted in front of the grille on a Jackaroo and there seems to have been no effect on coolant temperature.

There's also the lower intake that's in the bumper. I understand that one is probably more critical for cooling the engine rather than the grille itself. If you block the lower intake then you will probably get a temperature rise.

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Reply By: Top Cat - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:52

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:52
I think you would need to put some massive lights and plenty of them to cause a problem.

Im no expert so i stand corrected but my logical brain tells me that the air that the light stops simply moves arround and then regathers behind the lighht before moving on.

I cant see any probs at all.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:13

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:13
Put a book infront of a fan, and your hand behind the book, theres no air flow behind the book.. same as lights and engine.
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Follow Up By: flappan - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:46

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:46
No quite Truckster.

When stationary . . . yes . . when moving , not really.

eg , stick your book out the window of a moving vehicle and you will get "some" air movement behind. It will be restricted , but some will be there. Same with lights. Yes , you can expect to have air restriction with lights , but unless completely covered by lights , it really shouldn't matter on modern 4wds.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 12:31

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 12:31
Agree, but its the blocking affect - even with a book out the window, theres no direct air flow behind the book.. but there is air 1-2ft behind the book. Same as with your mirror - try it. Put your hand close to the mirror and move your hand backwards until you get the same airflow as infront of the mirror. There is quite a distance.

With the spotties, (depending on size) it will direct the air around the lights, which will be up onto the bonnet for most of the air...

if the radiator is designed for 75% airflow, and you put spotties there that allow 20% airflow, or 50% blockage it will make a difference.

The "NISSAN" badge from GQ's on the grill - around 17% airflow blockage just from that alone. (learnt that one from the Nissan club NSW driver training manual) And thats nowhere near as much area blockage as a pr of lights.
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 13:11

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 13:11
Throw a spanner in the works. the fan is an important part of the cooling system so if it is working effectivly wont it draw air in around the spotties rather than relying on air speed (undisrupted) to flow through the radiator.
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Reply By: Davoe - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:56

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:56
Cruisers have excellent cooling systems and it would take more than a couple of lights to make them run hot. I have had one work cruiser run hot but that was because the radiator was 110% blocked with cotton seed. 15 min removing the grill and brushing it off and all was fine for a couple of hours driving through the damn cottonseed. even shade cloth as insect screens have no effect on cooling
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:59

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:59
Alan,

Maybe my Jack is all forgiving, but I have not noticed any difference at all since installing my IPF's. Not only that, but I also have an insect screen permanently installed over the Grill which must restrict the airflow somewhat.

I did consider airflow before purchasing the spotties and it was mainly for this reason that I chose the IPF rectangular lights over the Lightforce brand which I was also considering.

I guess it gets down to the distance between the lights and the grill and maybe the overall efficiency of the cooling fan drawing sufficient air through the radiator.

I suspect however Alan that you shouldn't have any trouble with cooling and your choice will more than likely be one of asthetics and a size that fits.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:16

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:16
Theres a newish model troopy I pass regularly that does Escort work with trucks, he has 2x XGT's infront of his grill, you cant actually SEE the grill.. I would think if they were an issue, he would have given them the royal order of the pork sausage by now.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 21:15

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 21:15
Bruce I have a pair of XGT's on my Troopy, no problems at all.
The yota has never run hot.
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Reply By: Simon C - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:22

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:22
Have had Ralley 2000's on 80 series (both petrol and diesel) and never had a problem with temperature. Even with towing 2 ton trailers from Brisbane to Cairns in summer, Air Con on max, and sitting on 100 to 110 kmh.

Just my experances..

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Reply By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 12:53

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 12:53
Hi Alan S, if you have a look at rally cars, they have large lights and lots of them. Then add the fact that they are thrashing the engines and therefore could not afford to have air flow problems. There lights don’t cause air flow problems for them so you will be safe no matter how many you install.
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 13:08

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 13:08
rally cars have the spotties coz they have to have them or they would turf them. The light would cause airflow disruption but they have aftermarket radiators fans etc etc. Spotties will cause airflow disruption to his cruiser - the bigger the lights the more the disruption the question is enough to cause a problem? My experience says not
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 14:27

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 14:27
Hi Davoe, actually aerodynamics say he will not have any problems.
Using the rally car was just an extreme example of air flow.
Unless the driving lights are mounted against the radiator itself, there is no reason why the air will not simply flow around the lights, under them, over them and then through the radiator.
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Reply By: Member - Alan S (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 13:39

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 13:39
I was just interested to hear peoples opinions, some good responses there, thanks.
Just by looking around I see so many vehicles with additional lights that I figured it can't be too much of a problem. Its just that when extra spots are factory fitted they seem to mould them into the bumpers etc and not block the air flow to the radiator.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 14:25

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 14:25
Alan, I think the ones you see moulded into the bumper are mainly classed as fog lights (which need to be as low as possible to "look" under the fog).
My experiences are that I have 2 decent size Lightforce 240 Blitz's. I have sufferred from some "over-warming" issues (my Patrol has never actually overheated, temp gauge has just risen above half way on occasions before I installed a new radiator). On occasions I have moved the lights to the top of the bullbar (where they are at present). It does not appear to have made any difference to the antics of the temp gauge, but I'll leave them there anyway so that I can be sure the radiator is getting as much air as possible.
Cruiser owners never seem to have over-warming/heating problems, so I would say "go for it".
Good luck
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Reply By: Gossy - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 17:24

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 17:24
Put em on top of the bar? That's where my big Lightforce are.
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Reply By: Hedonist - Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 18:13

Wednesday, Dec 08, 2004 at 18:13
I have a 100 series 4.5 fitted with 2 x Hella Rallye 4000 spotties.

Zero difference to operating temperature with / without the lights even while towing in 40° + ambient.

Just fit 'em.

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Pete
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