I'm all Gassed out.......

Submitted: Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 17:47
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As a followup to my previous post # 19183, I have the following to report...

It has been outlined to me from 2 members that they have managed to use a type of bayonet fitting to facilitate quick & easy connection / disconnection of their gas appliances and gas bottles.

Well, here in South Australia, Bunnings don't sell them, BBQ's galore don't sell them, and Maxbilt, the Gas Gurus don't sell them. Seems like we may have slightly different laws as far as gas appliances are concerned. ( This is fact).

I simply want a quick disconnect from my 2 burner Coleman Camping stove to my little 1.25 k cylinder. I don't know what thread it is, but it's not the big BBQ type thread like on my Coleman Roadkill & Weber.

Can anyone help out? Wow, this is all exciting!!! It's like I'm about to do something illegal!! Contraband from the Eastern States. LOL!!!

You can mem mes me, or email me at ianbee@ihugdotcomdotau.

To make it more fun, write to me in some sort of secret code, so the Gas Police can't snatch me in the middle of the night, and interrogate me!

Cheers

Wolf who lives in a State with one of the worlds largest gas fields.... Moomba....

Wolfie
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Reply By: Nudenut - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:04

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:04
if maxbuilt cant help give up!

and is that sheit aircon going yet?
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:07

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:07
Cheers Nudie.

yes, Air-Cond. is all good now ;)

I will see if someone can send over the border some illegal brass fittings!

I just soooo much need to do this now.....LOL!!!
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:46

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:46
Have a sneaking suspicion that the bayonet fittings are banned..... Used to be everywhere on indoor heaters etc....the small thread on gas bottles is 3/8 BSP left hand. The big thread, pol thread is 1/2 BSP left hand... have had to screwcut a few illegal adaptors so I had to suss out the threads....Primus cylinders use 1/4 BSP Lefthand....
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:51

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:51
yeah....this fridgie has a few cut...why did you?
i believe you to be right rick...ie being illegal
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:57

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:57
I only just brought mine.... maybe its not the bayonet style, but is definately quick connect/discontect
Crazie
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:58

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 18:58
I wanted to make some adaptors so that i could fill cylinders from automotive gas bottles at about 1/3 the price they charge for the same stuff after taxes are added....
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:04

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:04
I dont think you want to fill bottles from automotive gas aka LPG. It's not straight propane which is what your camping gas bottles are filled up with. Plus is saving 5 bucks worth having some sort of accident with the stuff? I don't chew through enough gas to worry.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:35

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:35
Far be it for me to encourage anyone to do anything illegal...I would be banned from the forum... Fact: the LPG you fill your car up with is exactly the same as the LPG that you fill your camping bottles with. My van has 2 bottles and it costs me usually $25 each at a servo to fill them. Filling with auto LPG costs about $10 each. As I use the shower in my van I use a lot of gas and the savings are considerable....Just wait until they completely do away with decanting gas into your own bottle and you have to do the exchange thing...a captive market gas goes up to $40 a 9 kilo bottle....There is no more danger involved than filling a car...
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:40

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:40
Rick, I use 2 x45 kilo Cylinders at work for my Spitwater Jetfire heater. I am sure these are the very same bottles I used to decant from when I used to work at Mitre 10 at Glenelg. ( LPG ).

I am also thinking of getting hold of a decanting valve.

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:52

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:52
Rick,
LPG is for cars. BBQ gas is propane. Do a serach on propane and you will find a few posts including post#5191 amongst others. If you shop around you ca fill your bottles at Rays Camping stores for like $16 (not sure if youget 20% off during thier sales though) and even the Bunnings near me is also $16. It pays to shop around a little.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:59

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:59
Leroy,

Isn't LPG simply... Liquified Propane Gas?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:02

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:02
LW,
It's actually Liquified Petroleum Gas hence the use in cars.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:07

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:07
Bugger!!!

I thought I was going to be on a winner........ :(

Thankyou for saving my skin.

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:29

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:29
Leroy... go here & check it out.. LPG, butane, propane all the same thing.
http://www.gameco.com.au/lpgmsds.htm. Get the MTDS...Now I'm havent found a Bunnings at a lot of places I visit nor have I ever seen a Rays camping store....invariably I run out of gas when it is usually most inconvenient....And despite what you think the Gull servo near me has its auto and decanting bottles filled by the same tanker as does Bunnings at Tuggeranong..very strange.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:35

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:35
Shlt!!!

Now I'm REALLY confused....... gonna sell the stove...... sell the bottles.......
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:02

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:02
i always thought bbq and the stuff for cars were different? and i believe should not be used to power up the each others devices for which they were intended

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:14

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:14
Theyre supposed to be different, fact is, the truck pulls up winds out the hose andfills both the LPG cylinder for the brmm brmms and then fills the gas refill cylinder for the chopburners. Unless its like the softdrink dispenser at the pub where they press a different button for raspberry, its all the same stuff that were burning, The additional cost of for additional handling costs, like the guy to wander over, undo the little screw, connect up the complex hoses system (training to realise which threads are reverese and which arent), time to wait till the white stuff flow out of the little screw valve, then time to put it all back the way it was, squeeze out a smile and "there ya go mate". Its all relative....if you know the guy its free hahahahaha!
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 23:12

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 23:12
Rick,

If you read that MSDS LPG is described as a butane/propane mix. I think what you find in Aust. is that LPG is a 50/50 mix of the above. There are instances where a truck full of propane only will fill up the bbq gas filling bottle and then fill up the LPG tank for cars. In the good ol days it was best to run your car on straight propane but then the petroleum companies had all this butane waste product they decide to mix in with the propane to make LPG that you buy at the pumps today.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: firestang - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 23:56

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 23:56
The fact is that lpg for cars and domestic use is very different and while it all works pretty much the same the combustion gases they produce are different .

Automotive LPG may be propane or a mixture of propane and butane, while bottled gas used for domestic purposes (such as cooking and heating) consists solely of propane. For safety reasons, automotive LPG cannot be used for domestic purposes.

Breath the later in for long enough and you will sleep very nicely indeed for a long long time .

They don't just put the warnings there for nothin you know .Like mobile phone warnings at petrol stations , it's not the talking with the RF that does it , it's the sparks from the connectors on the battery and internal workings that can possibly cause an ignition source.

Bayonets as far as i know are still legal in Vic (don't know about other states) as long as the appliance ,stove has a chain connected to a solid point and is shorter than the hose length .
Where they are natural gas only stoves can be connected this way to allow for cleaning behind them ,portable heaters cannot be connected this way as they need a permanant flue .

In bottled gas areas caravans etc they can use heaters using the bayonet method as the combustion gases are not harfull as they consist of mainly water vapour .The other produces carbon monoxide .
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Reply By: Member - Raymond - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:08

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:08
Hi Wolfie

I have quick disconnects fitted to the camper which was brought from
Gameco (Vic) Pty Ltd
65a Chifley Drv Preston VIC 3072
ph: (03) 9480 3633 L.P. Gas & Natural Gas Equipment & Service

Not sure if they fit to gas bottles

Give them a call

Ray
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:49

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:49
Thankyou Ray.

If secret agent DISCO - NEKT gets taken out in the field, I will have to use this plan.

Thing is, I may need a fake Victorian Address or secret drop box.

I will be in touch. Your code word will be... RING OF FIRE.

007 Wolf.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:22

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 19:22
Okay.......

A secret agent, in a State we shall not name, has come forth & told me he can get me one of these things.

We are in the process of checking photo's & setting up a Cayman Islands Bank account.

We haven't yet agreed on a new code word, but "Stick this up a crow" rings about nice, don't you think?

With a bit of luck, I should be able to disconnect my gas at lightning speed, like they do in the rest of the bloody country......

Cheers

Wolf with secret connections!
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:34

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 20:34
actually it would be a lot easier to use Norfolk island... great tax concessions there & they speak english...But the price of their LPG there is horrendous....
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Reply By: Leroy - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:05

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:05
LW,

was showing someone your delica rig pic and they got a bit of a fright lol!!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:09

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:09
Got some new piccies coming soon. Island Lagoon & Flinders, with my little Honda.

Just can't help myself sometimes..........

Cheers

Wolfie
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Reply By: locallaw - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:40

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 21:40
Gidday all you reprobates out there,I have found Bunnings to be very efficient in the filling of gas cylinders.If you take your half full(or half empty)to the local servo they charge you full price but take it to Bunnings and you only pay for what you need.As far as I know it is law that they weigh the cylinders first and when filled again and you pay for what is put in.
Any views on this.
Seeya Locallaw
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:32

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:32
Bunnings at Scoresby charge one price and thats a full fill. Doesn't matter if the battle was filled yesterday and you only made a cup of tea out of it. The camping store on the corner of Ferntree Gully Rd and Clyde St in Ferntree Gully does partial fills and the full fill was marginally cheaper than Bunnings... I like to support the little bloke when I can.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 22:59

Monday, Jan 10, 2005 at 22:59
Wolfie,
Why not just use air hose snap-on fittings (ryco etc)....or maybe a cheaper option would be the garden hose "Gardena" snap-ons....couple a bucks and away you go (to the next planet probably!!!!!) LOLOLOL.
Seriously though, the house I'm in here at Kadina has a floor-mounted gas outlet and the new heater the landlord bought us last winter just screws straight in with about 1/2 a turn.
Chow
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 08:02

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 08:02
Bill.....
... that gives me a cunning idea!

Rock up at a busy caravan park, bring out a gas bottle & stove, in full view, then pretend to connect them with Nylex Garden Hose. Watch the neighbors vanish, and have a large space to yourself. Bit like clearing the front bar with a curried egg fart.

cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 08:43

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 08:43
RAOFLMAO.........

You've got a mean streak young wolfie.......
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Follow Up By: firestang - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:11

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:11
Ahh that reminds me of a caravan park i used to have a van at. Alot of people there knew that i both installed and repaired gass appliances both LPG and Nat Gas .
One day one of my mates came up to me and told me of a funny smell at the van next to him .
On further invetigation we found that he had the stove ,hws and the heater hooked up with garden hose and it had been that way for about 10 years so the old bloke reconed , nothin wrong with it mate , he said .
There is no dought that it happens everywhere

Hmmm
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:20

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:20
Hi there Ian.

Geez mate, I must think differently.
I solved my problem by using separate Gas bottles.

However, I can also swap between my 4.5kg (POL connection) and 3kg cylinder (3/8 LH connection) for the Roadtrip grill and 2 burner Coleman stove and gas adaptor for the Hillbilly camp oven.

You can buy different adaptors to suit your needs from Maxbuilt, or even Rays Outdoor stores. e.g. POL to 3/8 LH, POL to Primus, Primus to 3/8 LH, etc.

Keep it simple Wolfman!

Bill.
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:56

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:56
Hi Wolfie
Do what I did mate, get all your gas stuff drive to the nearest cliff and stand on top and drop the whole lot in the ocean, then drive to camping store and buy a coleman duel fuel stove and a jerry can and start carrying 10 litres of unleaded petrol with you.
You can buy it from almost anywhere and its a lot cheaper than gas.
Use 12v 11w flouros for your lighting and no more stuffin around with mantels, just plug and play !
My inlaws have a normal patio bbq and its a natural gas one and it plugs into the quick release fitting on the wall, which is the same fitting I have here for lpg heater which plugs into fitting in floor , as roachie was saying.
A mate used to deliver gas for kleenheat and he used the same gas for autogas fills and then drove over to gas bottle filling stations and filled them too all from the same truck and did this 100s and 100s of times.
Coaches with tours on pull into regular servos and fill there bbq bottles from autogas pumps, i have seen them do it and had it confirmed from such an operator!!
Nothings changed, we are still being shafted with bullbleepabout fuel, its content and its pricing structure, a national revolt is needed, but will never happen as there are to many dogooders around who dont care and just payup and shutup !!

Cheers
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