tyre choice... you get to decide!

Submitted: Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 15:48
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I can't decide between COOPER AT or BFG AT
Need new tyres in less than 10,000 klms.. which will come around pretty quickly! (i hope)
the tyre i choose will be calculated via votes from fellow forumites (using this thread and voting either COOPERS or BFG)!
Voting ends Monday afternoon (24-1-05) @ 3pm. GOOD LUCK! (to me i think!)

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Reply By: Utemad - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 15:56

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 15:56
BFG AT

I just got some new Goodyear MT/Rs today though. My BFG ATs have done 68k and are still going. They have been severly punished on varying terrain and no punctures ever so spare tyre is feeling very left out :-(
Handle very well in the wet etc too.
MT/Rs are second set til these wear out then they will be only set.
My vehicle is 1997 Holden Rodeo.
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 22:42

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 22:42
I have driven on BFG ATs for over 25 years and had a fantastic run with them. I decided to try something new when BFG was first taken over by Michelin and were having a few probs with the KOs I tried Cooper STs and couldn't fault them got an honest 50k klms out of them about 19-15k klms less than BFGs. I then tried the MTRs and they were a great tire tho they got even noisier as they wore. i am back on BFGs again now and very happy to be back. Unfortunately I staked one in Kakadu with only 3k klms on it my fault not the tires. you kow the good thing about it the guys at Katherine had BFGs in a variety of sizes did they have Coopers or MTRs very unlikely and that is another important consideration. Cheers Rob
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:06

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:06
Bloke at drysdale river station reckoned BFG are the go - so thats my vote
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Follow Up By: Member - Mozza (NSW) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:13

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:13
2-0........ BFG's hitting the lead (early)!
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Reply By: MrBitchi - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:25

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:25
Cooper AT's for me.

John
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Reply By: Peter McGuckian (Member) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:30

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:30
Only ever use BFGs on my Patrol. Thats 3-1
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Reply By: Member - Russell B (SA) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:50

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:50
I bought Cooper AT cause they have a 60,000km warranty if rotated every 5000km (free from dealer)

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Reply By: Happy GU Owner - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:56

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 16:56
Mozza,

Go BFG - that's my vote and I'm making it count.

(P.S. Don't tell Coopers but the Coopers warranty ain't what is cracked up to be - plus you'll get 60,000 klms out of the BFG's anyway)

Mic
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Reply By: muzzimbidgie - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:27

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:27
I'm on my 4th forby, and I've put BFG AT's on every one of 'em. I recommend them to any one, for 3 reasons.

1. Three ply sidewalls. All the others have only 2 ply sidewall.
thats 50% extra protection.

2. Great mileage.

3. The only people I have heard complain about BF Goodrich tyres, are dealers who don't sell them !!!

Cheers,

Muzz
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Follow Up By: member-Diamond(vic) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 14:41

Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 14:41
3 ply side wall is a crock.
the size of the 3 ply is still smaller than the coopers 2 ply.
think of it as having 3 plys the size of your pinky and coopers with 2 ply the size of your thumb.
good marketing idea though.
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Reply By: Tony&Tina - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:38

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:38
I've tried both brands, first coopers now bfg. Never had 1 puncture with the coopers and have had 2 so far with bfg.[10000k] Also superior road handling on gravel roads with coopers. Its the coopers for me.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:40

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:40
Both my Patrols Have BFG'S,,AT's, get over 100,000ks from them. Never using anything else./Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:42

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:42
Also you will probably save $200 if you get the BFG's!!!!
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Reply By: Member - Banjo (SA) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:41

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:41
BFG have been very good to me - no flats yet ! Spares perish through lack of use. Got 'em on the Camper too. I'm sold.
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:58

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 17:58
BFGs. I do not think Coopers are as good
Ray
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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 18:59

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 18:59
Mozza,

COOPERS.

I have run Cooper AT on the Patrol and previously on a Pajero. I reckon they are OK. The new ATR looks even better, particularly side wall (no facts - just from impression when I looked at them last time my tyres were rotated).

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Reply By: Member - Sparkie (QLD) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:10

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:10
BFG for me

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Reply By: friar - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:34

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:34
Hi Mozza
Have had both brands with which i have never had any trouble,about 70,000kys
on bfg,coopers done 40,000kys ,expecting to get about same milage as bfg
coopers are a little more noiser, than bfg, probably would go coopers again
as i think they have a little more grip on wet tracks
Friar
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Reply By: Wetty (W.A) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:44

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:44
Hiya Mozza
After having both BFG's and Coopers, I'd go Coopers any day. I destroyed a set of BFG's in under 20k and I mean DESTROYED them. Had one blow out in Meeka while re-fuelling and when I inspected the others, the were all showing wire and tread was lifting from the front two. This was on a Tojo ute, I'm now in a Jackaroo which has Coopers on it, they've done 30k, and have been rotated 3 times, great handling in the wet and on gravel also comparible with road noise to the BFG's. . . . . . but what ever you decide, make sure you stay away from the ones that are flat on the bottom! LOL
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:50

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 20:50
I've got Cooper AT's 285's on my GU Patrol. They've done over 70,000km's so far and I'd say there's another 10 to 15k to go yet. I've had probably had a dozen flats in that time but most were unavoidable eg: tech screws, nails etc that would puncture any tyre. I unapologetically hammer them mercilessly and rarely drop the pressure except in boggy sand. (yeah I know - but time is money) So I guess you could say they're a good tyre.

BUT: the first set I got were flogged out in under 25,000km's. Chipped to buggery and just plain worn out. Admitedly lots of hard work in the Pilbara, but I was not very happy. Took them back and got a no questions asked immediate replacement. Opted for ST's this time at the tyre bloke's suggestion but swapped them for the current set of AT's within a week as the ST's were irritatingly noisy which really gives you the sh*ts if you spend all day in your car.

Cooper AT's are a poor road tyre for handling, which is a major factor in my decision making process, but they certainly do last.

If Goodyear made an ATR in 285 or 305 I'd probably go for them as they are a AT with the MTR carcass. Best of both worlds - a tyre that lasts and handles / steers nicely.

Posted here a couple of times asking about the new Cooper ATR's but seems too early for feedback.

So I guess that means I'll say Coopers (but I don't think I'll buy them again which makes no sense at all)
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Reply By: greghud - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 21:41

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 21:41
got coopers, to much hype my next set will be bfgs

BFG 4 ME

GREG
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Reply By: Member Eric - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 22:51

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 22:51
BFG AT are a good road tyre , if you want to go off road , then use a Goodyear MTR

This is the best all terrain tyre on the market today . For mud , go the BFG MT .

BFG AT are as usufull in the mud as tits on a bull , they are pathetic . I am sure john will agree with me .
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 12:36

Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 12:36
Yep hate the BFG AT's now with a passion.

Great on the black stuff but crap in the mud and very disappointed on the gibbers and the high country rocky tracks.
Ripped off lugs and chipped to $hit, less than 15 k on this current set.
Previous set chipped tobleepon the gibbers and staked and destroyed one in the little desert last year 50 K on that set.

They are to soft and not aggressive enough for and off road use other than clean, flat, dry, dirt roads.

Just ordered two more BFG Muddies to fill out my 6 set and will now swap the AT's to the MT's for every 4wd trip off road.

Good year MTR as Eric has said seem to have a very good reputation will look at them after wearing out the BFG Muddies.
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Reply By: jp - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 23:15

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 23:15
BFG.
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Reply By: Dennis (Mackay) - Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 23:35

Friday, Jan 21, 2005 at 23:35
Vehicle - 2004 Dual Cab Rodeo.

Use - Coal mine/highway.

Tyre - BFG AT (wanted M/T's but they did not have the right rating {unsure if it was speed or weight} so the lease company would not approve the fitting of them).

Driving style - like I stole it.

Good points - off road (30-40% use) over extremely sharp rocks and bad terrain the tyres have stood up well, after first 15000 km and they still have around 70% tread. Expect to get maybe 40-50k out of them (only got 33k out of the OEM Bridgestone AT's, rocks just tore them apart). Good floatation on sand, don't bite in too much. Grip on dry bitumen is acceptable, probably 80% of the OEM Bridgestone AT's they replaced. Good grip on dry dirt roads.

Bad points - very skatey on gravel (vehicle gets very twitchy at speed). Like most other tyres, mud (thick clay type) clogs them and they quickly struggle for grip. Wet bitumen is like driving on ice.
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Reply By: member-Diamond(vic) - Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 14:44

Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 14:44
im a cooper man.
always been and always will be.
when friends recomend a tyre its coopers every time.
seen to many faulty bfg to even consider.
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Reply By: Dao - Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 18:16

Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 18:16
Coopers - ST

Got over 70000km out of the first set on rough roads, second set still going, had a few punctures mainly due to nails, no fault of tire. The boss got almost 70000km out of his coopers had BFG beforehand but has just ordered more coopers and he drives hard and fast, never got over 40000 on any other tire. Our roads are fairly rough and stoney.

Handle well, stick to the road well and are good in mud.

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Reply By: Willykj - Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 18:22

Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 at 18:22
Coopers - provided they are light truck. I destroyed 4 AT's - passenger construction in Kimberley/Pilbara. Changed to ST's & they are great. WEnt to Cape York recently with no problems. Reasonably quiet on bitumen.
Willy
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Jan 23, 2005 at 09:41

Sunday, Jan 23, 2005 at 09:41
Hi Mozza

I had 3 sets of BFG TA's on my 80 series and the first two sets were great. The 3rd set had problems so when I got my Patrol I decided to try Cooper - ST's (not the AT's your looking at). I much prefer the ST's, far better off-road and just as good on-road, only down side is the extra road noise of the ST's, but thats what the radio is for (won't have the problem with Cooper AT's). I have done 33,000 km on them, rotated every 5,000km and still have an average of 12mm tread (start with 15.5mm) while wearing very even.

At the end of the day, both are well above most other AT tyres and you won't go wrong with either brand. I reckon go for the ones you get the best all up price on (fitting, balance and hopefully free rotation for life of tyre - makes a big difference to tyre life).

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Reply By: Member - Mozza (NSW) - Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 07:06

Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 07:06
well checking the scores on the final day of voting.. and amazingly enough.. (after hitting the front early.. BFG only lead by one 12 - 11... and somehow i have 2 votes for Goodyear MTR's and 2 votes for Cooper ST's??
Tally is>>

BFG AT's - 12
COOPER AT's - 11
GOODYEAR MTR's - 2
COOPER ST's - 2

Only 8 hrs to go.......!
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Reply By: Wombat - Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 11:53

Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 11:53
Go the Cooper ATRs.

"Testing of the new Cooper ATR tyre pattern has confirmed an increase of up to 26.7% more kilometres compared to the previous A/T design. Cooper Tires now offer a mileage guarantee of up to 90,000 km for the new ATR 4WD tyre (conditions and exceptions apply)."

We've had both the Cooper ATs and the ATRs on the Triton and even though I was happy with the ATs I'm even happier with the ATR.

YMMV
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Reply By: Member - Mozza (NSW) - Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 16:08

Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 16:08
It's a DRAW!
i demand a re-count!
thanks to all of the above for votes and views (whether bias or not!) on tyre choice.
made a couple of phone calls today.. the Cooper ATR's aren't availble in my size (235/75/R15) so i've gotta get Cooper AT's OR BFG AT's OR... the late starter... Cooper ST's! which i'm having a good look at at the moment.. and are competitive on price too!.. will let you all know of outcome in about 8-10 thousand klms..!
thanks again!~
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Reply By: Good Damper - Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 21:23

Monday, Jan 24, 2005 at 21:23
Hi Mozza,

I fitted 8 Cooper ST(6 plus two spares) to my crusier and camper trailer last year. Sydney to cape York and back, Western NSW, SA The Nullabor, Perth, Bottom corner, Central Rd to Uluu and Alice, Flinders, and home via Broken Hill. About 25000 km.

Not a single flat, some chips on the rear car wheels, (Heavy Tralier and increased psi) Wear has been fine, noise OK, great in soft stuff and mud, I'm very happy. Oh yeah, I think they wear better if the writing is fitted on the inside!!!

I'd go Cooper ST again, as a good mate who lives around the corner warned me off BFG as he had plenty of flats - He couldn't believe I got none last year!

Happy shopping,

Good Damper.

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