Vehicle Suggestions

Submitted: Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 22:25
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Just picked up a new 25ft Jayco Heritage. Towed it home with my Discovery series 2 TD5 which I expected would struggle. To my surprise it towed quite well, all be it that it is unloaded.
Should I fit a Tunit unit for more torque and hp and then gauge if suitable over a few trips or purchase a new 100 series Landcruiser which will do it easy?
Next delema, V8 or Turbo diesel? I know the diesel will be best fuel ecconomy but with diesel being a minimum of 10% more expensive per litre will I every re coup the substantial cost difference between vehicles? Are there other issues I need to consider in this decision?
Any advice or help from experience welcomed.
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 00:04

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 00:04
For $15.5k less you could have intercooled 4.2TD Patrol... Must it be a Toyota???
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Follow Up By: blackmax11 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 00:14

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 00:14
I have looked at both and like the Toyota 100 series. Also just been to Dubai, went 4X4 driving in desert in a 100 series, it was excellent.
My TD5 is also great off road.
Whatever I buy is to last me for a substantial number of years, I am retiring next year and want to hit the road with the van.
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Follow Up By: ginga - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 18:24

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 18:24
Are you sure about those numbers -
a 4.7 V8 Landcruiser GXL auto costs ~$53 plus on road costs (including either a town or country pack for free)
So a 4.2TD Patrol costs ~$37.5 plus on roads? Or were you comparing the Landcruiser diesel (which in my opinion isn't as good a buy for most situations).
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 23:20

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 23:20
Yeah ginga, compering LC & Patrol TD's... My bias toward a diesel in this situation shining through... Having never owned either of them but reading this forum everyday and listening to folk in my travels, they appear to be fairly evenly matched. You could accessorise the Patrol to your hearts content with the extra $15.5k, I can't find good reason to buy the LC.
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Reply By: herkman - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 08:17

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 08:17
Have you looked at the Prado, there is a model that sits between the GXL and the Grande.

Its advantage is that it has lots of the goodies of the Grande, without the air suspension which may not suit, if you tow alot.

If you can wait till later in the year, the Prado will be released with the common rail engine, which will greatly improve power and fuel economy. It will also have a new transmission to handle the added HP.

Having towed with both petrol and diesel, the diesel particularly on long trips does it with less effort. With the current Prado, we are using about 15 litres of fuel per 100 kms, when towing, I believe the petrol will use closer to 20 litres.

However you really need to do your sums, because of not only fuel cost, but because of resale value, and the cost of servicing, as at least on the Prado you are up for increased oil changes, which the Nissan has too.

Also the AUW of the van, you may be too close to the maximum towing weight on the Prado, which is 2500 Kgs.

All in all, it is horses for courses, and you need to establish what your needs are compared to what is available.

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Col Tigwell
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Reply By: Member - RockyOne - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 13:01

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 13:01
Service charges..Fuel tanks..My wife has a diesel Prado,pulls loaded car trailer easy..Also,you get realitive economy with the std wheels and long range with the huge fuel tank/s..Service..She had a Tdi then a TD5 Disco..She & I drove to Rockhampton to get 80Thou service..Disco cost $680 with no parts,my Jeep Cherokee T/Diesel cost $125..You will have noted the wise post to wait for Common Rail motor..The new Jeeps of course used that injection system for years and I understand the Hyuandi 4x4 wagon getting rave reports also uses a common rail system..I understand that donk comes from or mfg under licence from Diamler/Chrysler also..Decisions Decisions!.Rgs R-1
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 13:15

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 13:15
blackmax am not sure where you are in Oz but Redback is in Sydney area with a chipped Disco TD5 and tows a camper. He may be able to give you a bit of an idea on how it would go...

Where are you Sootie? Thats the name we gave his Disco.
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Reply By: John - Qld - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 18:14

Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 18:14
BM
We have been through same dilemma.
I think you'll definitely struggle once loaded up. We found chipping alone didn't make too much difference but with an upgrade to the intercooler you really get a boost. Total cost would be around $2000. Brings power and torque up to a 100 series. We tow a 1.2t camper, if I had a van I would go the 100s.
Towing that length of van I think would be tricky with the TD5 being that it has a relatively short wheel base, that's where the 100s comes into its own. Under hard braking you will be thankful. Far outweighs the economy of the TD5.
Still would go diesel, just somehow comforting that reliable tick tick tick.
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John
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 16:01

Monday, May 16, 2005 at 16:01
Ok, just below is a list of the specs for both the landcruiser and patrol. Both in 6cyl diesel. The landcruiser specs are left, then patrol right.
You can see that as far as power and torque go the patrol is left WAY behind. The patrol also has no automatic gearbox option. IMHO that also leaves it behind as far as being a towing vehicle goes.
But in the patrols deffence the landcruisers have had front diff and suspension problems when being driven off road, and don't have the live front axel. Having IFS for long distance caravan towing, however IMHO is a bonus not a hinderance as you will have a smoother ride and better handling.
The patrol is cheaper.

The prado is an excellent vehicle but why would you bother, the TD5 has got a better tow rating and is probally about the same power.

But to actually answer your origional question:
V8. Nah. Give me the diesel for towing anyday.

TOYOTA LANDCRUISER HDJ100R KAKADU Limited Ed NISSAN PATROL GU II ST 4.2
Block material Cast-iron Cast-iron
Bore (mm) 94.0 96.0
Capacity (cm3) 4164 4169
Compression ratio 18.8:1 22.7:1
Configuration In-line In-line
Cylinders 6 6
Engine code 1HD-FTE TD42T
Engine description 6cyl/SOHC/4v 6cyl/OHV/2v
Engine location Front Front
Engine orientation Longitudinal Longitudinal
Head material Cast-iron Aluminium alloy
Maximum power 151kW @ 3400rpm 114kW @ 3600rpm
Maximum torque 430Nm @ 1800rpm 360Nm @ 2000rpm
Stroke (mm) 100.0 96.0
Valve train SOHC OHV
Valves per cylinder 4 2
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Reply By: blackmax11 - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 15:11

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 15:11
Thank you to all who took the time to give me their thoughts and experience on this issue.
I have considered the new series 3 Disco also but am concerned about all the electronics and the fact it is all new.
I will probebly end up with a LC 100 T/D.
Regards and thanks again.

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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 19:06

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 19:06
I think everyone has overlooked the most important aspect of towing, an auto transmission. The Toyota TD has one the Nissan only has auto in the 3 litre. Believe me if you are towing an auto is definitely the way to go. Cheers Rob
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 19:09

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 19:09
I have seen new TD Landcruisers advertised for as low as $64k drive away. TDs at auction sell for low $50k Buy one you will love it. Cheers Rob
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