scruby starts on the kearns accident

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October 23, 2005 - 3:32PM

The number of toddlers killed or maimed in driveways would drop dramatically if families stopped buying "lethal" four-wheel drive vehicles, the Pedestrian Council of Australia says.

The warning comes after former Wallaby captain Phil Kearns accidentally ran over his young daughter outside the family's Mosman home yesterday morning.

He had been reversing his Volkswagen Touareg in the driveway.

His 19-month-old daughter, Andie, is in a critical but stable condition on a respirator at The Children's Hospital at Randwick.

PCA chairman Harold Scruby today said the accident should serve as a reminder that four-wheel drives were dangerous vehicles.

"People buy them thinking they're safe, but they simply are not," Mr Scruby said.

"They're extremely dangerous, lethal even, and you can't see little children below the guard."

He said 30 Australian toddlers are killed each year in driveway accidents, with a further 300 injured.

More than two thirds of the accidents involve four-wheel drives.

"Without these vehicles, this wouldn't be such a problem," he said.

Mr Scruby, who lives two doors from the Kearns family, said the latest incident was a tragedy that many families could learn from.

"No-one's blaming Phil Kearns," he said.

"We're simply saying, for God's sake, don't buy these ridiculous tanks."

He called on the federal government to pass a mandate for all four-wheel drives to be fitted with reversing cameras.

The cameras, currently fitted in Lexus cars, screen footage from the rear bumper in the rear vision mirror when the vehicle is in reverse.

Rear bumper sensors were not sensitive enough to "pick up" small children and the reverse beeping mechanism was relatively ineffective with toddlers, Mr Scruby said.

He also called on the commonwealth to immediately increase the tariff on the vehicles, above the current five per cent.

"We welcome anything to discourage people from buying these things."
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 16:44

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 16:44
I like this bit

"He called on the federal government to pass a mandate for all four-wheel drives to be fitted with reversing cameras. "

does he have shares in a camera place?
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Follow Up By: holbi1949 - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 18:44

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 18:44
Just on the news that Kearns was driving forward down his drive when he ran over his daughter.
The VW Tourag is not much higher that a Commodoreat at the front, the bonnet slopes down a fair bit.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 16:53

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 16:53
Bugger it!!!

Why don't we all just vote him in for Australian Of the Year? This is obviously what he's gunning for, isn't it?

Vote him in, with an overwhelming majority, and he'll be busy for the next 12 months doing the obligatory lecture circuits.

Then he'll fade away.... yesterdays hero...
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:10

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:10
Well at least now we know where the idiot lives!
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:18

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:18
It is very tragic when these accidents happen and our hearts go out to the Kearns family. I hope the little girl makes a full recovery quickly. I'd expect both parents are going through hell at the moment.
Sc(r)ubbyDoo's (President of the Pedestrian Council of 1) comments do nothing to help and he only inflames the situation.
The vehicle is no bigger than the family sedan. Perhaps we should all get around in gopher's but I'm sure there would be problems with them too.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:22

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:22
Tell John that Harold is a terrorist and just maybe.......
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:38

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:38
I like it!
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:06

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:06
yeh but he'll only get locked away for a minimum 2 weeks!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: keny - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:10

Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:10
i,m up for it to easy
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Reply By: Boo - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:23

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:23
Hi All,

I am a mother of four, we also have a Patrol (so called dangerous vehicle), however I haven't ever run over any of my own nor anyone elses kids.

Its about time this idiot stopped trying to blame the four-wheel drives and put the blame back where it should be, with the parents.

If the parents of these kids were doing their job right, then these kids wouldn't be allowed to get into a situation where they could get run over.

I feel sorry for the parents of kids who are run over, but that doesn't change the facts, they are responsible for where their kids are, if parents were more vigilent then you would find a lot less accidents involving kids.

Just my opinion for what its worth!

Regards, Kerrie

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:18

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:18
Spot on Kerrie, I agree.

I too have a Patrol with a lot of gear in the back and a dual spare wheel carrier set-up, making it impossible to see anything behind the vehicle. I've had a LOUD reversing beeper on for a couple of years but, being still quite paranoid about running over one my (or anybody's) kids, I decided to fit a camera recently.

Best thing I ever did. Member on here, (John R from Vic) organised a bulk purchase (only 3 of us bought them which was a little disappointing as the price on my doorstep was only $302-). I mounted it on the roof rack and can now see right right down to the tow hitch (NB: side benefit is that I can get the Treg coupling on trailer "spot-on" first time).

Scrubby needs to pull his flamin head in alright......we are all big people quite capable of making these decisions for ourselves.

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Roachie
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Reply By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:33

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:33
I found this on the NRMA website...."Our research shows all cars have a blind area of at least 3 metres that can easily hide a child".

NRMA Driveway Safety

I would be happy to be part of a comprehensive solution to have reversing cameras installed on all vehicles if the government feels it is warranted. I would imagine that most kids are within three metres of the back of the vehicle when the car starts reversing and the child would be unseen - 4wd or passenger car.

Andrew
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 18:19

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 18:19
Let me give you the tip, if a neighbour of mine started politicising a horrible accident like that to push his own agenda he'd rapidly discover that his next statement to the press would be made through a mouth filled with broken teeth.

What a complete and utter C*#T.
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 19:30

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 19:30
And those rugby players aren’t small ether
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:43

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:43
Couldnt agree more V8

Have a look at the photo of Phil pushing the pram on The Age website, I think I'd rather the Toerag run me over than him get hold of me..
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 22:30

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 22:30
V8 you are spot on.

It says a lot about his (lack of) personal values that he would make cheap points out of the suffering of a family.

Once again the scummy media took advantage. It was a disgusting abuse of the family's privacy.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 22:35

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 22:35
Also re-reading the article (just then), theres once again, more from/on Scruby than there is about the kid thats injured!
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 19:43

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 19:43
Spot on V8. The articles I read stated that the family have asked for privacy. So then you get some prick two house up the street milking it to further his own cause, and essentially saying it's Dad's fault because of the type of vehicle he drives.

I can't imagine the neighbourhood taking too kindly to Mr Scruby and his antics, so perhaps there'll be some unreported social justice.

Hugh
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 18:26

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 18:26
Harold Scruby is only one small voice against a multi billion dollar industry.

He has Buckleys chance of making a difference. His projected target are the non 4x4 owners who will never rise up in arms to defeat the 4x4 Monster owners.

You can rest easy and and sleep well
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Follow Up By: sudsy - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 19:15

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 19:15
Couldn't agree with you more on that Willem!

Also,
QUOTE: "Rear bumper sensors were not sensitive enough to "pick up" small children and the reverse beeping mechanism was relatively ineffective with toddlers, Mr Scruby said."

What a load of crap! I installed reverse sensors on mine and they work well. It was only a $20 kit too! The closer you get to an object the faster it beeps until the object is within 500mm then it's a constant beep.
The sensors are MULTI DIRECTIONAL Scruby! The only way they won't sense anything is if an object is behind the line of beam and that is a blind area in any vehicle!

I wonder if that wa*ker has actually tested these things?
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Reply By: spondo - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 18:30

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 18:30
hey hey g'day

here ya go peoples, let him know exactly what you's think.....

here's harold

regards robs

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Follow Up By: sudsy - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:09

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:09
hmmmmmm, membership by invitation only:

"Membership of the Pedestrian Council of Australia Limited is by invitation of the Board of Directors to individuals and institutions having interests or concerns of like nature to those of the PCA." almost sounds like one of them secret societies or cults eh? hehe.

Their objectives listed said nothing about banning 4wd's from cities either.
Sounds like they've got a little side tracked from their original objectives?

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Follow Up By: Dave198 - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:49

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:49
thanks for the link Spondo,
I have just sent off a reply via their website, and requested the statistics on all pedestrians hit by cars going forwards.
Maybe a camera mounted on the bonnet of all cars then we could just sit back and watch the movie as we drive.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 19:55

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 19:55
Can't agree with the 4wd-only bit as Holden Commodore has worse rearward visibility than most 4wds. That bit is political, but the rest is not.

But as someone who works in a Childrens Hospital, and treats these cases, I'm all for anything that prevents this sort of tragedy which is a lot more common than any of you seem to think. Ever wondered what it would be like to run over your own child?? Its one of the most devastating things imaginable for the parents/ driver/ child and everyone else.

Theres a reason why I have both reversing camera and reversing beeper on the 79series. My kids are way too old, but my neighbours have small kids.

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:01

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:01
Here's what I wrote to Harold:
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Harold

Why do you continue your citycentric campaign against 4WDs and 4WDers? Your facts are rubbery and your insensitivity is appalling.
Your latest vitriol, against your neighbour no less, once again demonstrates your single minded targeting of 4WDers regardless of the facts. You are aware that the Volkswagen involved has 50% better rear visibility than the countrys best selling car - the Holden Commodore - yet you continue to mislead and misrepresent figures for your own pathetic campaign.

The fact that you have a grudge against 4WDers doesnt give you the right to villify and harass us at every opportunity. Your myopic view on life is truly sad and perhaps you need to spend some time beyond the insular world of downtown Sydney.

regards

Andrew Hiscock
Country 4WDer
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Follow Up By: sudsy - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:21

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:21
"insular world of downtown Sydney" yeah, well put andy.

Let's all encourage Scruby to get a 4by and go bush to see what he's missing. Plenty of walking to do out bush!
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Follow Up By: Hun - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:36

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:36
Maybe we can get the guy layed,it might mellow him out .
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 03:12

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 03:12
sudsy,

He doesn't need any encouragement, "Harold the wank" owns and drives a Subaru Forester, which by any definition is a 4 wheel drive.
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Follow Up By: sudsy - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 20:21

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 20:21
Well, who's the little hypocrite then?
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Reply By: kesh - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:07

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:07
And what doesn't help either is when the media reports (The Sun Herald 23/10) and I quote: "The former Wallaby skipper was driving his powerful Volkswagon V8 Touareg when it struck Andie," (end quote)
Runover a kid with a wheelbarrow full of cement and there is going to be injury.
I wish PK and family the very best and a speedy recovery for Andie
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Reply By: Elsewhere9 - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:18

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:18
Owning both a 4WD (Pajero) and a Commodore, I can vouch for the fact that the Commodore has worse rearward visibaility. More blind spots than I care to think about.
Greg
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:35

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:35
My letter to Harold.......

Dear Harold,

I find your actions in using the tragic misfortune of your neighbour(!) to further your own political agenda utterly despicable.

No matter how much of a zealot you are, or how noble your cause may be, nothing excuses such a heartless and blatant act of self promotion.

For the record, I do own a 4x4 which is used regularly both on and off road. I do not (well did not before today anyway) have an axe to grind with you
as I live in WA and mercifully have not had any exposure to the PCA and the agenda it promotes.

Any right minded person would display some measure of compassion in a stituation such as this. You clearly have none.

Harold, I would not piss on you if you were on fire.
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Reply By: G-wizz - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:44

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 20:44
Personally I'd be happy for 4wd vehicles to be more expensive. It would keep many wannabe's out of the bush and leave it less disturbed for the really keen adventurers.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:15

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:15
Now, now G-wizz. You were a wannabe once, as were we all.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:41

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 21:41
yup,
Make em more expensive..

Then the arse would fall out of the 4wd market, manufacturers would stop importing them as there is no market, cause people cant afford $150,000 for a Xtrail let alone a $500,000 Patrol or 300 series Cruiser..

Problem solved.

Good thinkin 99...
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Follow Up By: sudsy - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 20:15

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 20:15
And you would be one of these "really keen RICH adventurers" G-wizz?

Want the bush all to yourself G-wizz?
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Reply By: Member - Brad (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 23:06

Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 23:06
The perfect job for this scrubby 'c**t' would be a test dummy to see what happens to human tissue when it is run over by the cars he supports as safe. Bet if you ran a small toyota echo over his head or a large 4wd he would still look the same.

Political gain out of a tradegy like this is worse than the accident itself.
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Reply By: Member - John - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 00:07

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 00:07
The news report I heard said that the Tourag was being driven forward when the little girl was hit......
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 00:09

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 00:09
That would blow scruby out of the water
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 01:26

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 01:26
The report I heard indicated that the toddler had actually crawled UNDERNEATH the vehicle.

So it wouldn't have made any difference to blind spots forward or rearward and whether one had a "reversing camera" or not. (Unless it was mounted underneath)

It is certainly a tragedy that any driver would have problems dealing with, let alone that the child was your own.

My sympathy goes out to Phil and his family.

As for Harold "Scrubby" bleep ! bleep ! bleep !
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 14:41

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 14:41
I guess this changes the perspective on this unfortunate accident. Unfortunately, I can already imagine Scruby's next response... that being that 4WD have too much ground clearance. There is no way you will get this guy to drop his pet hate of 4WDs, except to ignore him. Hopefully the facts and some common sense reporting will kill the hype that Scruby has taken advantage to generate on this occasion.

Hugh
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Follow Up By: keny - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:41

Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:41
carefull that will next front centre and rear
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 22:46

Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 22:46
>> Hopefully the facts and some common sense reporting

think about what you just said.

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Reply By: Scoey - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:50

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:50
Hi All,

I also heard that the toddler "crawled under the vehicle" which isn't quite the same as reversing over a child. I have noticed that the media in QLD have picked up on this and haven't (to my limited knowledge) brought up the 4X4 visibility debate.

My heart goes out to the family, particularly Phil, a more gutwrenching event for a parent to endure I can't imagine! Here's praying for a speedy recovery!

Cheers

Scoey.
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Reply By: ellmcg - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:23

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:23
What does a VW T????? look like anyway? Is it even a 4wd?

I'm curious about that statistic that 60% of 'this type of accident' involve 4wds. What percentage of family vehicles are 4wds to begin with?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:47

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:47
www.google.com.au for a Toerag photo...
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Reply By: Brian B (QLD) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:28

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:28
Hi Folks,

Couldn't agree more with what has been said.

First of all we all want the littly to be OK and that is the top priority.

Wouldn't it then be great at some time down the track for Phil to make a bit of a statement explaining that it was simply an accident and was not related to what sort of vehicle was being used.

I know there is a lot of ifs in this idea but he is a well respected Australian who by saying something along these lines could really take the steam out of our idiot friend Mr Scruby.

I don't know but it is just a bit of an idea.
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Reply By: Feral - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:47

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:47
Here is just a suggestion.

Everyone here should get onto A Current Affair and bombard Ray with 'fancy Scruby turning on one of your own (as Kearns is an employee of 9) and that he is a serial media pest. Even some other media outlets are banning him.
Present your arguement that 4wd drives are no worse than other vehicles, blah, blah and hopefully Ray will expose the fraud that Scruby is.

Cheers,
Lyndon.
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Reply By: damien - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:58

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:58
What annoys me is this comment from Scruby......

"30 Australian toddlers are killed each year in driveway accidents, with a further 300 injured"

These figures are obviously very disturbing & quite tragic, yet why is it that we generally only hear about the incidents involving 4wd's??

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