Give way to buses ?

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:12
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Hi all
Buses pulling out into traffic on main arterial roads, because they have the right of way. Bloody dangerous i think, in city or town where traffic is at a slow pace fair enought let them in but where the speeds up to 60 &80 km, its hard to pull up when some of these turkeys start to move out when your 6mtrs away from their rear end.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:30

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:30
Even in the city it's wrong.

Why should LOTS of cars have to slow, or stop, to let a bus enter? The government says it's all about the moving of the masses efficiently

10 people in a bus, which is already stationary, then say.... 10 - 15 cars, with say... 2 people in each have to stop? What's that all about?

Bit like those lanes you have on the freeways in the States. Some lanes you are only allowed in if there are two or more people in the vehicle, and now, there are lanes specifically for the hybrids! Mark my word, they'll be damned short lived...

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:42

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:42
Wolfie you just need one of the signs off a bus and the Delica could impersonate one. Just a few cardboard cutouts of people looking out.
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Reply By: b4no1member - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:46

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 21:46
the mrs and i were talking about this yesterday.
it seems well here in bendigo all the signs on the back of all the busses that say give way have all been removed we thought maybe they changed the stupid law.
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Reply By: Sky Pilot - Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 22:55

Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 at 22:55
I think it's all about keeping the buses running on time. The gov't gets criticised if its public transport is late. Imagine how late you'd be if you had to pull out into the traffic from the kerb every couple of blocks.
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Reply By: porl - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 01:24

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 01:24
i go to work public by public transport, so i agree with the bus driver, u on a vehicle make way, that's what its all about, if democracy makes a diff to u then make way for the majority that pays for that road. if the the driver doesn't indicate then fair whinge but if he/she does then fair suck ofthe strawberry, public transport makes fair way. in plain words i have a 4wd and a tyota echo for family stuff, i think as a matter of emmissions and general political direction public transport should and must have fist preference to arterial roads and others. fair to talk this out but lets start with the ones who use the services. I do.
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Reply By: howesy - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 07:22

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 07:22
It's all good for the govt. in theory but that relies on the bus drivers using due care and caution when indication and rejoining the traffic.
As some of you have already probably experienced there are a considerable number of bus drivers who because they have right of way don't give a rats RRRRR's and no sooner has the indicator gone on then they just pull straight out and cut off what ever is coming and half the time they indicate as they are pulling out. There is no way some of these idiots give enough time to react to an indicator and it needs to be looked at because there will always be some idiots that want to force the issue.
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 08:56

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 08:56
From an idoits point of view it dosnt matter how long the indicator is on for because is average clown is not look past the boot is in front of them.
Dont forget in peek hour it is illegal to go past a stopped bus faster than 40 kms that has flashing lights on as well. So slow down and let the stupid little demons live.

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Follow Up By: howesy - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 09:06

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 09:06
You miss the point shadow. I dont mean to imply that all bus drivers are idiot and you shouldn't take it that way but no matter how slow you go and how cautious you are if any driver whether it be bus car or truck pulls out suddenly and indicates as he/she is doing it then it makes it very difficult and these people are definately idiots. I apologise if this offends you however it is simply one persons point of view.
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Follow Up By: Boc1971 - Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 17:18

Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 17:18
The shaddows -- the boot in front of them ?? think they better turn there seats around !!

Boc

P.s i know what you meant :)
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Reply By: Skid - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 09:09

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 09:09
Slow Down, bring your eyes up from the bumper ahead of you. Look well ahead, Drive defensively.
If you see a bus at a stop expect it to pull out... whats the problem except for lack of anticipation?
Try taking a bus yourself someday, and then you'll aprerciate these methods to speed up mass transport.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:15

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:15
Skid,

Unfortunately you are right. Far too many idiots on the road who can not/will not look beyond the vehicle directly in front of them. The same fools who get on the horn despite the fact you have half a dozen vehicles in front of you.

Does'nt take much to drive defensively, just treat every other road user as a fool who is out to get you :))))
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 10:34

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 10:34
I have no problem with giving way to buses, providing they don't pull out when I have committed to a passing maneuver.

I also have a tendency to wave out a truck from an intersection if its safe to do so.
Doesn't take much and makes me feel a little better when you get that "wave of acknowledgment" from the driver.

Bill


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Reply By: Member-Neil & Margie-Cairns - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 10:36

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 10:36
Morning all ,
i agree with both sides here ,, i drive a rigid tipper through Cairns all day , you should try to stop one of then when they just pull out , i think the bus drivers need a little education on when to use this law ,, sometimes its a bit hard to just jump lanes when they could asses the situation and wait just a few more seconds ,, but the car drivers also need to do the same , doesn't hurt them to slow up a bit to help them out a bit , after all , they may only go 500 metres and pull over again ,, i also think this rule only applys in the city limits , and only in 50/60kph zones ..
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 10:57

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 10:57
It might give you heart to know that before this law came in , and the old buses still had those mechanical arms , one tried to force its way out in front of my old three speed Nissan .
Well it gives me great pleasure to tell you , that the arm was amputated and the old Nast Nissan suffered no harm .
A treasured moment I thought I should share with you Axle .
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Follow Up By: Axle - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:29

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:29
I bet he let every nissan past for a while, HaHa!
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 12:33

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 12:33
We had a bus change lanes on us coming off the Harbour Bridge near Milsons Point station years ago, we were in a mates old G60 Nissan. The Mack style bullbar went in just behind the RH front wheel on the bus and removed every panel up to the windows right back to the rear wheel.
The Nissan was unscathed apart from the paint on the bullbar and fortunately for my mate the cop that was behind us saw everything and pinged ther bus driver.
We drove off leaving the RTA to clean up.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 14:19

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 14:19
Hey Guys your lucky!!!!!!!
Public transport ? whats that.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Reply By: Wisey (NSW) - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 21:01

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 21:01
There is a fool/idiot in a lane near you. Expect something foolish or idiotic at ANY moment. It may even be me or the bus driver or the driver of.........(your vehicle here)?????? Look froward to not having an accident...

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Follow Up By: PE250 - Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 22:35

Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 at 22:35
followed this one with interest.
as a bd there are only 2 comments i can make. the pasengers winge because you are not there in 50 secs. the motoring public in general like to beat the bus.

now for my comments.
the fact that a 4x4 driver stuffed a bus gives no credence to other 4x4 drivers. as many have said, look ahead.
we must run on time and the management demand this. we could sit on the side of the road for 20 mins waiting for the smaller vehicles in peak hour to let us out again. we all use the roads. after becoming a bd i now realise the problems of slower take off vehicles and do my best to allow for trucks and other heavy vehicles to enter road ways by looking ahead.

the whole road problem is the lack of respect for ALL road users.

bd drivers become disilusioned with other road user's because we are the minority and every day we see d.h's and in the end we loose respect for all, because unfortunatly the minority of especialy 4x4 people who have no respect seem to think they have the god given right because of the sise of their bull bar. i encounter many travelers who drive 4x4 and they are a great bunch of people with much respect for other road users no so more than in the nt where rt's are the norm. why cannot this also reflect in the city's ???????????????/
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Reply By: Redback - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 08:41

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 08:41
One thing none have mentioned is that, the sign means nothing unless on a single laned road where the bus is pulling out from the kerb and ONLY in a 60kph zone, if on a road that HAS double lanes or the bus is pulling out from a bus bay and there are marked lane lines, then the rules are as normal, cannot change lanes unless it is clear and safe to do so like every other road user.

A misconception is that this giveway sign gives a bus right of way, IT DOES NOT.

Now unless they have changed the road rules since i was a bus driving instructor for Sydney Busses then i stand corrected, my motto was never change lanes or pull out from the kerb unless safe to do so.

Remember there are real live people sitting on that bus, and in the cars around that bus.

Baz.

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Reply By: sepp5762 - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 09:21

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 09:21
Made an official complaint to trans adelaide on day, I was level with the driver of a bus on Golden Way when he procceeded to pull out. His explanation ....he didn't see me...........I was driving a white Hiace LWB wheelchair converted van with 6 disabled people in.........was he blind??
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 11:07

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 11:07
You see cars all the time with one person in them. On the freeway in Perth they cause no end of problems. I f there were at least two people in a car half of our freeway problems would be solved. There are buses on this road and a railway under constructio. The buses at the moment have their own lanes for a lot of the road and zip pass the cars caught in the congestion. Unfortunately our public transport system could not cope with a car free day like in some cities
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 13:04

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 13:04
From what I know you only have to give way to buses on a 60 km/h road.

When I see a bus at the bus stop I slow down expecting it to pull out. Just like appraching an intersection where you have to give way. I find the majority of bus drivers let you pass even though they have every right to pull away from the kerb.

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Reply By: Rob Ackland - Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 14:57

Thursday, Feb 02, 2006 at 14:57
Whilst all this debate is interesting folks should be aware that in 1999 when the National Road Rules came into being it became law that all traffic had to give way to a bus if it was pulling out from a legal bus stop. That's the law nationally and as we understand it this has not been varied by any State or Territory.

At the same time it became illegal to obstruct traffic moving from side roads leading onto a main road. Lots of changes came into being with these now not so new regulations. Copies should be available from any Government Transport website or outlet

Enjoy

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