ExplorOz UHF Call Sign - PostID: 30918

Submitted: Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:34
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OK continuing on from the previous post PostID: 30918.

As there seems to be some level of support here is some info from us:

We are happy to use ExplorOz Member Number. We are not keen to have EO as this is not who we are.

How would you all know each others member number? Well this creates one possible issue:
For your security I have always tried to mask your online member number from others on the system. For instance when you open my Rig Profile and MM systems you will only see an encrypted Member ID. This was done so that people could not try to hack your member number and password on the online system. Knowing your member number provided 50% of the required info to logon, knowing the number and the person gives a fair bit of detail away, and may help someone hack your account. Is this important? I originally thought so and implemented systems to get around the issue, basic and simple systems but a system none the less. Maybe my original concerns are not really an issue what do you think?

Apart from that we would be happy to add this feature to the member system and we would even support a document for download or mail that contained all Callsigns, ScreenNames and/or Real Names if this was also wanted. Of course this would only be available to current members. I would need to provide a check box in your My profile or something to allow you to opt out of being shown on the UHF list and maybe even have a show only screenname option or something. VKS have a member list like this with callsigns and names etc.

Channel - well a private channel is of course nice but I know that when we travel we are either on the tracks prefered channel, Ch10 (scanning) or Ch40 on the main roads. There is a defacto standard that 10 is for 4WD usage. I do not know the best answer to this one but I would not be sitting on Ch19 or similar to hear a voice call from another member and then flicking when I pass someone is also not a good idea. We should all be really using either 10 or 40 and/or scanning so we should just simply use these and change after contact has been established.

Anymore feedback or comments welcome.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:46

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:46
As long as we use decent passwords, random letters and numbers and not common words then we should be safe from a dictionary attack....is that correct or not ?
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:12

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:12
Aw!

You are too high tech for Mr Dog.

I always use SWMBO's name as my password cause I am never ever going to forget it.

Ever, ever, ever.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:28

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:28
But Ken,

Some of us who have met you and D.... know her name and would only need your member number to impersonate you on the forum.

So, what is it:-)))
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:51

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:51
Shhhhhh! or 'they' will hear you.

I am relying on your intregrity, loyalty, and cold steel nerve to hold the line on this one and not disclose her name. (Doh! I knew I shouldn't have said that)

Or else 'they' will tell 'them' and that will be game set and match.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - David - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:58

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:58
Ray,

If you use good passwords then no problem. I know most other systems utilise email address and password but in reality this creates the same issue as finding someones email address is also not that hard but again on ExplorOz I mask this. I could be change the logon and password system to only use email and password and stop using the member number however this would take a few mods at this end - not that I am adverse to this however people seems to change email addresses often so it creates a different set of issues.

However if you use decent passwords then the membr number would not be a problem.
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:26

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:26
Lucy,
Yesterday I was sitting on a bus along side your cousin and was asking after you. Like me, they hadn't heard from you for a while and I intended to say G'day to you tonight.
Nice to see you around again. Regards to the Dinosaur to. Still think it's not a nice name for her.LOL
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Follow Up By: JJ - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 16:58

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 16:58
Hope I am not barking up the wrong tree here, but for those who don't have a copy, here is a UHF Channel Guide that may be useful to some. As you can see it is from Caravan World Magazine.
I also have the same list from a UHF hand book (somewhere!).

UHF CHANNEL GUIDE
Caravan World’s regular correspondent Rod Hannifey champions Channel 18 as the ‘Caravanners’ channel but there is no ‘official’ channel allocated for use by caravanners. Here is a guide as to the allocation of channels 1 to 40. Four channels have been given certain functions by law while 16 channels are used for repeaters.

Channels
1 to 8 (and 31 to 38) are for repeaters. Each repeater needs a ‘pair’ of channels to work. For example, when on channel 1 repeater, channel 31 is also in use. Channel 2 uses 32, 3 uses 33, etc.
For general travelling use, it is suggested that Repeater (REP) or Duplex (DUP) function is programmed permanently ‘ON’ at all times on channels 1 to 8.
Only use the above channels if you want to access a repeater.

11 Calling channel – allocated by law.
Used to call another person who may be waiting on the call channel. After contact you must move to another channel.

Operators in the country are more likely to use one of the ‘general’ channels shown below. Scanning facilities can be employed effectively to locate operators on general channels.

22 & 23 Signalling and Telemetry only.
No voice transmission permitted (allocated by law).

40 Highway and trucks
Firmly established by tradition.

18 Caravanners and Campers
By courtesy agreement

10 4WD Operators
Recommended in National Parks
By courtesy agreement.

5 Emergency Repeater
Allocated by law.

A list of repeaters is generally available from communication specialists.
9, 12 to 17, 19 to 21, 24 to 30 and 39 General Use Channels
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 22:49

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 22:49
"They" listen......... and tell "them"
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Reply By: lungfish - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:43

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:43
David et al,

How about generating a new set of numbers for those that wish to use the hf?This could be displayed on the Profile without security issues?

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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:46

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:46
Just make sure nudie doesn't get Number 1, he would be insufferable! :o)

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Reply By: Member - Luxoluk - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:34

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:34
Hi David
Perhaps a new set of numbers for those who wish to be allocated one. Place a list on the site and let us take one in sequence or allow the program to do this on a first come first served basis. I do like "exploroz" as a prefix given that this is the very association we seek to establish...common interests in 4wd/caravaning. I would support channel 10. My kids and wife don't need to endure the filth on Ch40. Mine is only one perspective and I'll happily use what's on offer. Cheers
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 23:16

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 23:16
Evening David.

I've got my serious hat on now and not my 'pink nissan mafia' bagging one.

I have been watching this thread expand over the last couple of days and a couple of things escape me here such as:

(1) It appears that the proposal covers both UHF and HF.

UHF

(2) If you find an acceptable method to allocate secure call signs how are members going to:

(a) Know where other members currently are located geographically given limited range of UHF

(b) Know if other members are switched on

(c) What channel the other members are using

(d) If known by perchance is this channel going to be lit up by constant 'Cooee Exploroz' calls, subsequently attracting the non educated who only have a 3 word vocabulary such as F*** Off C*** over and over.

(e) A member is using a private channel. This is an easy option if all members have programmable UHF sets.

(f) However it still doesn't erradicate a zillion Ex-Oz'ers running around Australia 'Cooee-ing' into the private channel in the hope that some coota has his set switched on and is on channel waiting for a call ( any call for that matter)

(g) I think there may be a possibility with SECALL using a private channel, however not real sure of its viability.

HF

(3) This option has to be the winner all round as long as it had its own allocated frequency and all those wishing to participate had a HF set. (shades of VKS)

Whatever, other than being a very interesting proposal, the challenges in bringing it a successful conclusion will more interesting to say the least.

Good luck with it.

Ken Robinson
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:33

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:33
Most HF sets are very limited in the number of selcall receive addresses you can program in, and even if they allow more than one it's for a group of frequencies.

Given that most with HF are already members of another group like VKS737 or similar they are going to have had an SELCAL no allocated and aren't likely to have the capability to use another.

On UHF it's almost pointless as pointed out above due to range limitations.

If a group is travelling together in convoy or using the radio to coordinate a rendezvous then the likelihood is that members will know each other and refer to each other by name I would have thought.

Sounds like much work for little gain. Will watch with interest.

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 17:39

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 17:39
Not sure about Lucy & Dave's responses here..I believe they have missed the point. I cannot see what you are on about Lucy or Dave?? eg

1) It appears that the proposal covers both UHF and HF. (NO, my VKS is a very different matter with different operating protocols)

UHF

(2) If you find an acceptable method to allocate secure call signs how are members going to:

(a) Know where other members currently are located geographically given limited range of UHF (Who cares until we hear someone, it gives a possibility to identify oneself as part of the exploroz family)

(b) Know if other members are switched on (ditto)

(c) What channel the other members are using (ditto)

(d) If known by perchance is this channel going to be lit up by constant 'Cooee Exploroz' calls, subsequently attracting the non educated who only have a 3 word vocabulary such as F*** Off C*** over and over. (Probably invited if Cooeeing became the practice)

(e) A member is using a private channel. This is an easy option if all members have programmable UHF sets. (Not the point of the exercise)

(f) However it still doesn't erradicate a zillion Ex-Oz'ers running around Australia 'Cooee-ing' into the private channel in the hope that some coota has his set switched on and is on channel waiting for a call ( any call for that matter) (not likely to be available??)

(g) I think there may be a possibility with SECALL using a private channel, however not real sure of its viability. (not really that important)

I think you two guys have had a drift into negative territory without thinking through the potential benefits. Shame really cos it was a good idea to start off with. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 17:57

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 17:57
Yeah I dunno why it has to be made so difficult. You're in the bush or driving around town, announce your callsign on the nominated channel, if someone hears ya they can come back at ya for a chat or meet for an eyeball.....I can't see a problem
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Follow Up By: JJ - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 19:17

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 19:17
Exactly.
What's the big deal having specified callsigns? unless users have to be registered or something.
Why not just use your 'screen' name? Say 'Exploroz Mad Dog" or "Exploroz David" or Lucy or JJ or whoever?
That way, forumites can identify with each other for a quick chat, plan a meet & keep in touch.
There could also be an unofficial Exploroz call-in time say between mid-day & 1:00 PM (lunch time stoppers) and again between 6:00 & 7:00 PM (in camp areas), about the only time for each to be in range... anyone in the vicinity, bingo!... if not, no loss!
We just use JJ and it has worked for us in many ways on the road, for our benefit & for others.
Sounds good in theory, anyway...
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 19:41

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 19:41
That sounds ok to me as long as the prefix is exploroz. That indentifies you as a member of this community and whatever follows is your personal identity

"exploroz mad dog on the channel"

"get lost you retard"

hahahaha
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 20:44

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 20:44
Whether you know it or not, you all have answered every query I posted above and having done so, solved the problem at hand for me.

Solution:

Do what I have always done if I want to know if there are any Exploroz members within UHF range and that is simply ask :

"are there any EXPLOROZ members on channel".

Now that you have all solved THE major challenge that faced us all in this exercise, a very minor one would be for David to nominate a channel that one could to switch to, if they wished to make contact with any forum member/s that happen to be in their area.

With that I declare its time to move on to more important things in life, like

What is the best tyre for 'my' 4WD

What Battery should I buy for my 4WD

Will a fitch, ditch, witch etc etc increase my 4WD's power output and decrease the fuel consumption whilst guaranteeing that I will get 150,000kms out of my tyres.

Whats the best vehicle for me Nissan or a Toyota

What shock absorbers should I use.

Why does my GU overheat - Oh! thats a na easy one - because its not a JEEP.

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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 21:26

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 21:26
Leigh (Luxoluk)

I wasn't trying to be negative, maybe this is more relevant in the cities where the density of EO members/others is higher. But in my experience in the cities the density of d'heads on UHF is so high (EO member/d'head ration = signal/noise ratio?? :o)) that I would turn mine off anyway. Unfortunately as UHF became affordable it attracted the dregs of the 27Meg set owners too. (No. I'm not suggesting that anyone here fits that category.)

There have been suggestions in posts on this thread that it also apply to HF which was why I made mention of it and the complication it presented.

I merely suggested that the ratio of EO haunters to other users may make this a little less worthwhile. I don't know though. I've never got on ch 10 in Melb and called to see if other EO members are on channel. I wouldn't subject my kids to the likely response from the non EO members on the channel.

The only way you really get a private channel is to register one and everyone gets their set modified to use it. CTCSS is only a pseudo private channel. (Continuous tone coded sub-audible squelch). If two users on the same channel transmit at the same time with different CTCSS tones a beat note type of RF interference will often be heard - unless one signal is substantially stronger than the other.

Many sets still don't come with CTCSS installed anyway.

Just because I can't see the point doesn't mean I don't think it should be tried for those that want to try it. That's why I said I would watch with interest. In all the time I've been a member I've only ever seen two EO stickers on cars (one leaving Wandin on Sunday) but that doesn't mean there aren't more members around me than I know.

With so many members/others on here there is an abundance of new ideas. This is a good example. Where will it lead? Who knows? If we don't try it we'll never know.

People will only cooee other EO members with no response so many times before they bother no longer. Though in areas with a high member density it could be quite successfull.

Good luck to those prepared to give it a go regardless of which system of call sign you decide on.

Dave

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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 21:36

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 21:36
Dave

There were a 'swag' (sorry) of EO members at Wandin on Sunday including myself.

That sticker you saw, was it on the best looking 05 KJ Cherokee in Melbourne that was sporting a brand new 2.5 inch lift.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 21:44

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 21:44
Lucy,

What sort of "swag"? Is it one I should buy?? etc. etc. :o))

No it was on the back of an early 90's red Corolla... don't think I'll run into it again in the 'gatta :)

A 2.5" lift on a KJ would almost give it ground clearance wouldn't it? (Sorry couldn't help myself...)

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 22:29

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 22:29
Dave

The lift is a raging success as the CHEEP HEEP as Bonz calls it, can no go over a normal kerbside gutter without any fear of scrapping its 'under bitz' off. (LOL)

Ken
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 22:59

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 22:59
A reliable ## would be a raging success on a CHEEP

Note: Replace ## with any of the following based on circumstance of conversation

1-Ignition system
2-fuel system
3-dash light system (also applies to Troopys)
4-driver
5-chassis/ECU matching system
6-engine light
7-driver
8-Dashboard finger slicer - oops I think they have one
9-oh stop me I can go on forever.

For the record I have never called a CHEEP a HEEP, simply a CHEEP. Its a nice colour tho Loose
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 00:35

Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 00:35
RAOFLMAO

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 18:14

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 18:14
Bonz & Dcache

Friday 6.00pm

Weeeeeeeeeeell! I just arived back from a 3 day holiday inSydney to '4WD vilification' responses from you two 'unimformed JEEP bashing dills', and a bunch of girls getting their knickers in a knot just because I posted 1 or 2 web sites relating to COOPER types, to which I made no comment other than I had a set of COOPERS. (LOL)

Just watch this space for the follow to same now that I have 'them' on the hook.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 21:23

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 21:23
Hi Lucy,

I'm just jealous. As a mate of mine points out every time we go away. I've never seen his Jeep stuck anywhere :o( (come close once in the sand ... but close isn't bogged is it?)

However he's seen me on my diffs without traction plenty of times. I just keep telling him it's cos I take my jap truck places Wranglers fear to tread (he's chickened out once or twice... and I had the interior of my truck out for a week so I think I know who was smarter!)

Hope you had a good time in Sydney.

Dave
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 21:25

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 21:25
Though the other guy with the KJ that came into the high country with us came out with bent side steps and a modified cross member.... maybe he needed 2.5" extra too. :o)

Dave
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Reply By: Member - Toonfish - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 18:55

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 18:55
since im always ken working then channel 40 but when im leisurely ok channel 10 or the mobile number or sms (dont we all sms and drive?)

i scan nearly always anyway and lock out any crap.

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 00:43

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 00:43
Toonie mate, how can I sms you when you don't have the number in your profile.
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 20:15

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 20:15
ExplorOz then Screen name gets my vote...... I think that's the easiest way to go about it.... then we (I) don't have to remember my member number.... after all, haven't we (I) got enough to think about???? LOL...
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Reply By: Member - Camper (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 00:33

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 00:33
Evening All,
Thanks to all for giving my idea a fair hearing and to ExplorOz for encouragement to run with it.
When I proposed the idea I had recently listened to some ACRO members who were discussing a topic in the evening when most of the fools who abuse the system had gone away. The ACRO people were having the same type and quality of conversation we have thro this forum. They also all had numbers and when I came up they explained that they use 'ACRO' and an allocated # so the idea grew in my mind to suggest it that way as I thought it was the norm.
I can't see why our screen names would not be just as good and if it saves David work well and good. Or a number could be allocated; either way I'd be happy.
I have to admit I did not think to include HF as I thought most people who use it would be with VKS (who also use VKS and a number by the way) but why not HF if it is workable?
Of course with VHF we will only be able to talk locally but that's better than nothing. If we use an allocated time and particular evening (or evenings) anyone can call for who might be listening and a conversation begin. Then anyone can join in and those who don't know about ExplorOz can be directed to the website. It wont be long before we will recognise the voices of regulars and if we were visiting interstate or an area where we suspected there might be other forumites we could tune in at the arranged time and come up if there is activity. Tonite the ACRO people were all discussing the merits of antenna types each learning from the other as we do on the forum.

Channel 10 or 18 look like goers as the channels we use, considering that ExplorOz is for campers, caravanners and 4wding. If we scan these at other times we may also hear a call.

Well I guess the best way to try an idea is to suck it and see.
So if it's OK with everyone, seeing as I was the goose who suggested the gig I'll start the ball rolling in SA by coming on air on Ch10 at 6.00pm next Wed (tomorrow) and Sunday and see how we go, using "ExplorOz Camper" as my callsign and we'll see how we go and modify it as we need to. I'll post to let you know how we went.

Thanks again to all for a fair assessment of the idea.

Cheers,
"ExplorOzCamper"
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Follow Up By: JJ - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:04

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:04
I suggested using 'screen' names as callsigns (with ExplorOx prefix of course) so that with any contact made, one can associate the name with the forum topics,
as over the time, I have noticed a few rather rude and uncalled for followups...
so by using screen names, if one member (or visitor) has a grudge against another, they can ignore the UHF contact, or meet and make amends!
Could be embarrassing to get friendly with just another 'ExplorOz #' to find it was the person you'd exchanged unkind words with!
Could make for some interesting friendships too.
And likewise, I agree Channel 10, as a David (EO) suggested in the first place, and Channel 18 would both be good, possibly picking up new members from both 4bs & Cvrs.
As I mentioned before, if there is an unofficial 'ExplorOz' call-in time on those channels during lunch hours and evenings would be the best time to catch anyone within cooee.
Maybe David could make up a little box on home page sidelines with all info, similar to the comp. page?
(sorry, not up with all the puter lingo!)
cheers big ears!

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