It's legal....fog lights during the day!

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Fog Lights! - and browse down to "Lighting and Mechanical Questions (pdf 916KB)"

Well it seems you are correct however "the lamps must be correctly aimed as fog lamps so as not to dazzle other road users" - well they dazzle me most of the time although I would probably not notice if they didn't.

It seems Rear fog lamps on the other hand are not allowed to be used except in adverse weather conditions.....go figure!!! - that buggered my idea!

Anyone have some blinkers I can borrow....???

Hi there Bware, I have what they class as fog lights on my commodore fitted from factory by holden, and they are a clear lense but when they are on they light up the sides of the road brilliantly which is what there suppose to do so you can see the lines on either side of you on the road in foggy conditions, but agree with you totally that they are bloody blinding when you are approaching them .I only use myn when its foggy or on the open road as per reply further down the page. Regards Steve M

As part of the public education campaign to reduce the numbers of deaths on the roads up in central Qld (especially between the mining areas and their homes on the coast), the Police are actually encouraging drivers to drive with their headlights on!

From the CFMEU news:

...... the month of May sees the commencement of a “Lights On and Live” Road Safety Campaign, targeting the Mackay and hinterland coal fields areas. On 10th May police will be pulling over drivers on the Peak Downs Highway, leading from Mackay to the Coal Fields, who don’t have their lights on. The Police will be having a quick and friendly chat about the practice of driving with lights on and presenting motorists with a CFMEU “miners lamp” keychain, 500 of which have been donated by the Queensland District. The District is actively involved in investigating the relationship between shift lengths and working conditions and road accidents in Central Queensland and is supporting a number of road safety campaigns.
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Andrew

Yes, headlights on, but only on LOW beam so they won't glare other drivers - and no foglights that glare.

Those signs to put on headlights in daytime seem to be a total waste of time - you see very few drivers who comply. They seem to think they will use more fuel or shorten the life of headlights dramatically if they comply.

Mike

HHAAA! I'm with you!

I have known some people Sandman who may be seen as quite inconsiderate too in dealing with those lights, by shining their high-mounted lights into the back of the car in front in retailiation;-) I guess the reason would escape the offending driver though {:(

Hey Sandman, Thats a bleep er, I love your flashing lights too.! Thats all we need, rear facing flashing fog lights on top of bright blue fluros with the music really loud. How about some Mexican jumping cars too..?

I think it was in the 70's when imported European cars had the Hazard Flashers DISABLED because the ancient regulations here didn't allow them.

Front and Rear Foglights making driving much safer in foggy conditions, but it seems that the main problem we have in Australia is that drivers here are slow learners.

Nowhere else in the world have have I seen signs similar to "Keep Left Unless Overtaking - Fine Exceeds $95" - in other countries the drivers are smart enough to drive considerately without needing to be threatened with a fine !

Mike

You are spot on Mike. The keep left one is an interesting phenomenon, happens all the time but typically with drivers who appear "TOO" comfortable on the road, almost like it's their chillout time, if I want the right lane, then it's my highway. Thats when the Xenon Spots wired into high beam come into play, either they move or your "burn" them over.! LOL

"Nowhere else in the world have have I seen signs similar to "Keep Left Unless Overtaking - Fine Exceeds $95" - in other countries the drivers are smart enough to drive considerately without needing to be threatened with a fine !"

Exceeds $95 alright, its more like $230 !!
Young bloke from work was fined for travelling in the right lane at speeds greater than 80kph on a recent work trip travelling back from Sydney.
Pretty sure he only recieved the fine because the police woman knew he was speeding but couldn`t prove it as we were coming up behind her, and pinged him with this instead.

Yes I have to agree with you on that one.

Suppose wanker flags being used in the desert/dunes is still wanker flags......

heh John?

Cheers.

Wanker Flags..! Thats a bleep er..!

LOL At least my wanker flag was there for a purpose, and was removed as soon as that need was over. ;-)

I really like the Green and Gold Socceroo Flags personally on the cars driving with their Neon Fluros..! I also don't mind the Big Aussie Flags I see on some house , especially in the country.!

Being annoyed in France has nothing to do with headlights - they all start of in this frame of mind and never get better. My apologies to the French members on this forum, you know who you are, the ones with attitude.

I guess yellow headlights are only in France and the rest of the world is out of sinc.

Kind regards

Where in Australia do you live? Last week we had 2 mornings straight where you couldn't see 30 ft in front of you and we live in Broken Hill. Anyhow I hate fog lights too. Feel like hitting the spotlights when they come toward me.

You're dead right Ray.
People that use fog lights at the same time as dipped headlights are obviously unaware that fog lights are designed to be used by themselves so as not to illuminate the fog, but to cut under it. The manufacturers are doing the wrong thing by wiring them independently of the headlights. My old Mark 2 Jags had foglights on a separate position on the headlight switch, past that for headlights and it turned the headlights off. That's correct. Manufacturers are just using foglights as a stupidly unnecessary extra to get more money out of people.
As for rear foglights they're designed to make a car visible in conditions when the standard rear lights are invisible. This rarely happens in Australia, where the fog is rarely thick. I live off the Calder Hwy near Gisborne/Woodend and occasionally we are in the clouds (a tad misty). I'll use my rear foglight on an empty freeway until a car appears behind me and then I'll turn it off so as not to dazzle. The person behind is already aware of my presence so the light is unnecessary. In Europe and the UK they regularly have pile-ups in fog because motorists are hooning along at 100 kph totally blind, and they don't see the car in front until it's
too late. That's when rear fogs are needed.

Julian

Reading those W.A. rules, would be great to visit there to see the blue-lights pull up all those blinding foglit drivers. Wish those boys in blue were here for us (in vic).
In the valleys of Gippsland, foggies are a desirable option to have when needed, just wish the drivers around me would learn to recognise when a particular type of light should be used for the conditions at the time.
I’ve for many years tried some self policing in my use of lighting. For foglights, they are only lit under fog/adverse lighting conditions. I treat them as I would my high beam, in that they are extinguished following the same requirements as high beam, when approaching traffic.
The foglight wiring configuration of each vehicle I’ve owned, whether OEM lights or aftermarket always gets my following amendment:
Rewiring of the fog selection circuit by the installation of a changeover relay that will inhibit the foglight circuits whenever headlights are ON. This is so simple, and able to be incorporated into any vehicle, without modifying the original high/low wiring loom. All you need is to have a sense wire running from the LOW, and one from the HIGH beam. Those two wires are used to directly operate the changeover relay. The changeover contacts (the normally closed contacts) are connected in series with the foglight power selection wire. And thats it!

That looks after my end of the bargain in not blinding others.

What happens when I am being blinded by another? Resist the urge to retaliate. Recently yet another local driver was fined for flashing an oncoming high beam blinder. It was a copper however, who then booked that driver for flashing him. You can’t win.
I’ve tried another tact. For my current wagon shape, I got 13 yards of reflecting tape (as used on vests) from the U.S. by ebay, and wound the lot around my cargo barrier. So now I have half of it reflecting thru the front windows, and the other rearward facing thru a red tint filter sheet. I call this my passive retaliation. Oh yes, I have a rear camera for necessary reversing vision. So the tape is now my permanently set&forget fix. You’d be amazed about how well it gets the hoped-for dipping response from other traffic. Even from trucks. Guess they think I’m an ambo?

Your right there Scubaroo, as said in my post above We have VX s pack with the driving lights and are bloody bright that's why I consider other drivers around and use them on the open roads as they do light up the side of the road very good at night but always turn them off if another vehicle approachs as I said above I have had my wife behind me and I'm in the lux with a lift and they come straight through my canopy and hits either my side mirror or rear view mirror and cant see jack bleep , have rang her on the mobile and told her to turn off, yeah I know talking on mobile while driving but figured there was more chance of having a smash cause I couldnt see where I was going then telling her to turn the bloody things off. Regards Steve M