Victorian Cops

Thats what I thought but some one said cause they took the picture in there side mirror which reverses the image dont know how true it is. Regards Steve M

Saw the same photo's about 6 months ago, in an email sent to me.....the caption read "taken in the UK"! Frequent Flyer wheelie bin maybe?

It would be nice to see a garbage truck come and pick the thing up and chuck it away.

was thinking the same thing - wish I drove a garbage truck!

"Don't speed and you won't get caught hey!"
Perhaps you should tell the woman who was 'caught' doing 160km in her
120Y . Do you think she would have got off if she hadn't gone to the media??-Steve

Sand Man I will laugh my ass off the day you get done for speeding, it always happens to you "don't speed and you won't get caught" people. My mother in law was always like that, then she got done twice in one month by hidden cameras in dodgy areas (90km/hr to 60km/hr speed change down hill). She got done in the same place twice, I bleep myself laughing, she was not happy. Now she is a "revenue raiser" as she calls it. LOL.

I used to spend all day on the road everyday without "intentially" speeding. I figured, I'm driving for work, I'm not going to get demerit points and or pay fines for them, so there is no way I'm speeding, I'd rather be late. I had a MASSIVE digital speedo in the middle of the dash (drove an echo most of the time) and still got done by hidden cameras. It's complete bull bleep .

How about the police union "action" over here recently. They went and put their patrol cars near speed cameras and put their lights on to show everyone where they were!

I want to know a couple of things from this:

1. They claim that our speed cameras are NEVER intentiionally hidden and have fluro signs to tell us where they are (which I might add are always hidden and or facing the wrong bleep ing direction). So why is it that police think it would be benificial to show us where they were seeings as they are so clearly marked anyway?

2. Speed cameras are "SAVING LIVES!" I mean that's the whole purpose of them isn't it? If they are really saving lives, how many people did the police kill by showing us where they were? What other union allows their members to kill innocent people through industrial action?? Or is it that speed cameras don't save lives at all and it is all complete bull bleep ?

Thats why I drive a 2.8D there is no chance of getting to 140kph let alone 160kph. Takes me nearly a k to get to 60 by then Ive past the camera and pulling up to the next red light. LOL See it does pay to have some thing with out any balls less chance of me getting cought then again maybe not cause Im always flat out down the hills to try and make it up the other side, and guess where the cameras sit, on the down hill run !!!, oops I'd better remember that. Regards Steve M

Isn't the 'wrong way' direction of the camera to catch the rear number plate (cross wise) on motorbikes?

No they face the cameras towards the front in WA, but they face their fluro signs that say "Speed Camera" parralell to the road or even facing slightly towards the other direction to the traffic flow. Everytime the local news brings up the issue of hiding cameras to make revenue the police department say "Oh how could we, we uses these big fluro yellow signs". They don'y say "Oh we put these fluro signs 5m back off the side of the road behind a tree facing the other direction."!

In Vic they get you from behind..

Dont want for anyone to hate me on this forum but the company i work for (electricians) have been installing them everywhere over melbourne (not our choice, we are just doing our jobs) and in Victoria alone in the last 6 months we have installed over 250 state wide...

On the hume hwy we have been instructed to install around 80 cameras that can get you 2 times.. One faces you coming toward it, gets you if you are speeding, can get you from 200m away.. (inbuilt radar) and then as you pass the cameraa again if you speed up within 200m it will get you again...

These things are nasty!

I dont believe these are being installed for safety purposes as i myself have had many discussions with the head honchos who specify the where and whys..

Often its because its a blackspot area but more often than not he was saying they are placed in areas where ppl are going to speed due to the conditions on the road ie hills etc etc etc...

Please dont hate me guys, im just doin my job!

Jeff,

Don't preach to me Sonny.
For your information I have been done three times during my 40 years of driving. Two of them "just over the speed limit" and none of them from a camera. So I know what it is like to be "bitten"

But you know what?

They were all my own fault through one reason or another.

The best one of all was when I was "coerced" into racing an unmarked patrol car on my RZ Yamaha. The bugger was up my clacker and I was trying to avoid him "tailgating". Young mongrel he was and probably trying to get his daily quota up.

Still my fault though.

So yes, I have been caught but I don't deliberately speed and I don't care about speed cameras needing to be identified by neon lights, or whatever signage, so pinheads can slow down before they go through the trap.

Do the crime, pay the fine Mate. No Winging.

Don't worry cipher, Aussies are an extraordinarily compliant lot and will just pay the fines without question - many have been brainwashed into thinking speed cameras are a "Good Thing"tm.

Me? I'm with the Tuf Tuf club and would sooner see them destroyed - but I'll bet I don't get any takers :)

Mike Harding

mike_harding@fastmail.fm

>Do the crime, pay the fine Mate. No Winging.

Trouble with that philosophy is that it (wrongly) assumes the law is just.

Mike these things are indestructable!

People say ill hook up a chain and pull the thing down, but the poles in the ground go in about 3m and concrete is about 2m wide around the pole, also the poles are 10mm steel...

The camera casings are bullet proof (including the perspex at the front) and the perspex is also paint resistance (just wont dry paint on it) they have thought of everything!

Justin

>they have thought of everything!

I doubt it :)

haha quite possible my good man quite possible, lol..

All it takes is a mind that is capable of a cunning plan ay? haha

Well ill wish you luck..

I dont think destroying them is quite the way to go, but there are ways to disable them ;-)

Just open the pit next to camera and there will be 3 black cables, just cut them, there are just the loop feeders...(24v control) ;-) i didnt tell ya though!

Along with the "Do the crime do the crime" philosophy,there is also the concept of innocence until proven guilty.Speed cameras do away with this,as the speed camera is never supposed to be wrong,even though it is not a scientifically validated instrument.-Steve

Steve,

You are wrong about that in QLD at least.

The cameras are regularly calibrated to test for accuracy.

The same situation in victoria, they are 'suppose' to be calibrated every 3 months to warrant getting a fine.... If you ask for evidence to proce it was tested within the 3 month period of your fine then you will not recieve a ticket (so i have heard) as they can be said to be out of calibration...

Justin

cipher posted this followup

In Vic they get you from behind..

Hahahaha....I'll remember that next time i am in Melbourne.I thought it was a Sydney thing. Glad I'm over here.

Calibration of instrumentation is a well established science and unless speed cameras across Australia have a perfection which, in my experience, is massively dissimilar to other electronic instrumentation then I seriously doubt they are properly calibrated in any state in this country.

I can't be bothered to go into a detailed description of calibration (you can Google it if you want) but suffice it to say that if they adhered to industry norms you would see many speed fines being reimbursed each year - unless, of course, speed cameras are almost perfect in their design and operation. Experience in Victoria would suggest they are not!

In addition to the above I know, quite well, a man who is/was one of the foremost experts on radar in Australia, he also has a bit to do with speed cameras, and he states, without question, they sometimes get it wrong! And, frankly anyone who knows anything about this area of measurement would be astonished if that were not the case.

Mike Harding

Sonny!? LOL

I honestly don't give a crap what you think about them, they are unjust and the reasons for their existance is the same reason for smoking still being legal. There is too much money in it for the government.

It's bull bleep , and they are wankers. End of storey IMHO.

So it's fair for someone trying to do the right thing to get fined when he happens to be looking for an address and does 5 km over the limit down a hill on an unfamiliar road. If you think so, fine, but personally I think it's a complete load of crap. Savig lives, pfftt, bull bleep .

speed camera's save lives?

so do speed limited vehicles.....why wont they enforce all vehicles to be fitted with navigation equipment so they can limit ones speed in all zones as required...the technology is there, and would be very cheap, if enforced to be fitted to all new cars...why why???
cos it wont give them $$$$$...for their crazy ideas...ie their stupid plans to increase tram line in little old adelaide...for gods sake thats all we need...more congestion thru the city

the medical cost to the community has absolutely nothing to do with it....we fund it as it is anyway

i would imagine its a safety this as to why they dont speed limit cars as to certain areas and speed limits. There are some stages when you drive and im sure you are all aware of this, and that is that sometimes you have to use power to escape an accident.. Its not always the best thing just to slam on your anchors.

I dunno maybe its just me? But i sometimes think gee if i had have braked that would have been alot worse..

Dunno, good thought tho No1, im sure they could do it easily and im sure there are ways around the limit so you could use it incase of emergency, but it guess they dont do it for the same reason they have not yet put that stupid computer controlled accel pedal.. Saw it on the news not long ago, they idea was that regardless of how far you push the throttle the car would only accelerate as 'x' speed based on how you are feeling at the time had something to do with cameras in the car watching your face which tells your mood or some crap, and the car would shut off auto if it detected you were tired..

Good in theory, not always great in practice..

Anybody hear about those ideas?

Cipher, just don't speed up to avoid and accident if there is a speed camera near by, you might loose your licence! :-|

I'll try not to Jeff!

I know where they all are either way so thats one benifit to what i do :-)

They are the type of thing you remember when you install them..

They were very cruisey install them also ;-)

Just be careful out there with this bastard cameras guys, they are getting smart with their revenue raising, constantly thinking of ways to try and make more money and trying to get you booked before you even see the camera..

Also one thin i might mention, some cameras now that take you from the front, if the driver of the car tries to forward the points onto another driver for whatever reason, they WILL check your photo agaist your licence... Scary stuff..

My partners sister tried this even after i warned her, ended up with a nasty fine and a couple of points extra taken off her licence..... She now has no licence, would have been fine just to tell the truth, oh well...

something to think about

Justin

the excuse to speed will not get one off a fine...just ask any red light camera, laser hand held officer or camera in a car (bin)....

it would be very rare to have to speed to get ones self out of an accident!

Sorry, but UK general duty bobbies don't wear or carry fire arms. The officer to the left of the one with the sleeveless sweater is carrying a pistol! They also wear white, not blue shirts.

The photo is was taken in Australia. From memory they started using wheelie bin cameras in Adelaide last year.

Damn!

I am well and truly confused now. (this old age thing has knobs on it)

I know I saw it in the last year or two, however where and when - who knows.

Now that you mention Adelaide I would only say its something I wouldn't put past those cootas.

yes wizard your right they do have atleast 1 that i know of here in adelaide, the govt had one in storage for about a year and the advertiser news paper wrote about this very expensive $35,000 German made i think (correct me if im wrong anybody) wheely bin not being used so guess what?? it started being used.

I also think they are just pure revenue raisers because the govt say theyre put in places that theres been fatallities. Ive been past a few cameras in places theres never been fatallitys and its there almost every day

cheers Luke

I think the photo was taken in Holland.The car in one of the photos is driving on the wrong side of the road. They are obsessed with speed cameras (they are everywhere) and they do carry guns.

Proves the point...speed does kill.

In Holland you speed and they put a couple of slugs in you.

Victoria is not quite there ...yet!!!!

Cheers.

You could be write there Brian, cant say Ive ever seen an unmaned speed camera unless fixed to a poll. Regards Steve M

If it was unattended someone would walk with it.

you could always remove the plates attach them to a vehicle and drive past at speed multiple times

Just checked that out what a classic love it. although I dont think you would last long around here before you got caught. Regards Steve M

Need to do that to few of them around here as well, most of them burnt pretty well only problem here I have seen some of them with security cameras attached to them as well, there is one here in sydney on the F3 near ourimbah (I think thats how its spelt) has the camera and a light above it. Regards Steve M

you can paint the lens covers the one in urunga n.s.w gets it quite regularily with what looks like a black etch primer or similar.And the one from johns river N.S.W had several bullet holes in it the smaller caliber ones did not make it thru the first plate which sits about one inch in front of the housing but the next rifle used sure did.

No offence to you demented, but I know my cousin lives here in NSW and he's on 6o k a year for sitting in a camera car on the side of the road laying back in his seat listening to the camera click away with his little sign SPEED CAMERA IN USE about 50 metres in front of the car, might I say that its 9 times out of 10 its in an unmarked car, if that's not revenu raising then what is, dont get me wrong I think the cops do a great job and I for one wouldnt like to have to put up with the bleep they cop these days, and I know a few of my cousins mates and they all nice blokes just the average person doing a job, I know they do a lot more then just sitn in a car, I wouldnt like to be the one door knocking at 3 in the morning telling parents the bad news, but you must agree that not all these cameras are used in black spot locations, and yes its easy to say dont speed and you wont get cought, Ive only been done twice in 22 years of driving and yes there are times when its just been luck that I havnt been cought but in general I do the speed limit, then again in a 2.8D hilux your pretty safe anyway LOL. Regards Steve M