Another damn survey/study to beat us up.

Submitted: Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 13:45
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It is all getting a bit boring, and is water off a ducks back to some of us now, but it does not help Mr Joe Public see us in a very good light when rubbish like this is published ... well it might be half true, who knows ... depends on which dimwits they put behind the wheel for the "study"..... the same ones that speed up when it rains? Hopefully something good comes of the $173k anyway.

4WD drivers more dangerous: study

July 31, 2006 12:25pm
Article from: AAP

MOTORISTS drive faster and brake harder when they get behind the wheel of a four-wheel drive, researchers have found.
Academics from Queensland University of Technology's (QUT) Centre for Accident Research and Road Safety tested a group of drivers who regularly use four-wheel drives, as well as other cars, and found their behaviour changed according to which car they were in.

Lead researcher Dr Andry Rakotonirainy said the 16 drivers were asked to travel a 24km route in Brisbane's northside, including suburban streets and highway travel, and found people drove faster in the four-wheel drives.

Mr Rakotonirainy said they also braked harder in four-wheel drives and gave themselves less distance to stop "despite being in a vehicle that weighed over three tonnes".

"At the moment there aren't any programs that specifically teach people how to drive a four-wheel drive in suburbia – which is where most of them go," Mr Rakotonirainy said.

"But driving children to school in a four-wheel drive requires different skills to driving a sedan or smaller car.

"You have to take into consideration that you are driving a vehicle that is two to three times the weight of a normal car – and higher – and will therefore handle differently."

The research team hopes the study will prompt increased driver education programs for four-wheel drive owners, who have higher rates of accidents than other vehicles.

Dr Rakotonirainy said his research team would use a $172,716 grant from the Australian Research Council to research the effectiveness of technology in driving awareness campaigns.

"If we can use the technology to record evidence of particular behaviours drivers are more likely to accept what they might be doing wrong," he said.

"It's more difficult for people to argue with hard data than with subjective observations."
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 14:12

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 14:12
Hi there Wazza, yes sick of hearing about it ( No Offence To You ) but the more people read this crap the more they will believe every thing that is said, I would like to give these wankers a drive in my 2.8D hilux and tell me that they speed, maybe on a down hill run with no head wind. I wonder if they are going to train all these people that drive around in pantex vans and vito's and long wheel base hiace vans or the f250's which are all able to drive on a standard licence up to 4.5 tonne. Look at the stats from the likes of budget,and the hire car mobs that loan out there pantex's and the like, low briges etc and over hanging trees wiping out the tops of the pantex's, maybe they will do driver traing for all these people too. We need to be heard as well otherwise as said people will believe what they read and hear. Noticed the other day they have put a heap of fences up aroung Nunes up near Lithgow here in Sydney cause the 4wd's are destroying the land yeah right it was a sand stone mine for god sake, and the 4wd's at least keep the scrub down so enmergency vehicles can access the area when the fires on around the out skirts of it. Blah Blah Blah. These clowns are all wankers, funny when you see all the current affair mobs when they turn up to get there storys there in patrols landcruisers. What a joke. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 14:27

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 14:27
Wazza I 've done a bit of research and methodology etc at uni several years ago and this research still appears to be pretty subjective rather than objective. Without knowing how the research was structured and what they used as measurements etc you would almost have to take it with a grain of salt.
Did they take a group of non 4wdrivers and do the same test? If they did that would the results be the same, or less sensational!
You may not remember a big study done in, I think the 50's, when it was found that people that carried matches in their pocket were more likely to get lung cancer than those people that didn't. Probably used the same flawed methodology.
I've only been driving a 4wd (TROOPY) for 18 mths on mainly country roads and my observations are probably as good as the above 'research ' when I say that it is small overnight expresses and 2 wheel drives that do what the 4wd are alleged to do.Thats my thoughts on the matter anyway, if anyone disagrees tell Wazza,because I'm very sensitive about getting critiziced, just ask my wife.:))))))))
Regards Bob
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Reply By: equinox - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 15:04

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 15:04
The results are more than likely true.

I can see no negative comments towards 4Wdrivers though.

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Follow Up By: Wazza - (Vic) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:25

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 16:25
Equinox, you are right, it does not say anything too bad directly, it is more the headline that grabs you.
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Reply By: madCrow - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:09

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 17:09
Gee Wassa
If it's a written up report it must be true...... Not that likely.
Well one aspect is true you do drive differently in different vehicles & hey I drive a 4.2 diesel Patrol, it's engine is so much bigger than a WRX's, so there fore I can out drag one from the traffic lights down the road.......... ahhh dream on.
I love the fact that the 4WD's all "weighed over three tonnes" it must have been kitted out like Roache's machine, we all know how he drag races everywhere.......Not!
Re: the wieght of the vehicles what type were they? The newer Toyo LCs & Patrols come in around 2.5 tonnes straight of the factory floor, so were they using F250's as the sample 4WDs?.... Get Real! (N0 offence went to F250 drivers, I just picked the F250s as they're a very big 4BY).
Also the 16 drivers they sampled are so like all 4WDers........ another not so!
Enough already! I could rant on for a long time.

the madCrow & a bleep off long haired Bunny with a hair cut.
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Reply By: Exploder - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 19:25

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 19:25
"despite being in a vehicle that weighed over three tonnes".> LMAO> What did Roachie lend them his patrol for this test or something, that was bloody nice of him.

"You have to take into consideration that you are driving a vehicle that is two to three times the weight of a normal car> Yeah if a benchmark normal car weight is one of those F**king smart car’s, What does a Falcon or commodore weigh between 1500-1800Kg depending on the model. Hands up anybody with a 4WD that weighs 5400Kg!!!!!

Who have higher rates of accidents than other vehicles.> That’s funny I spend a lot of time on the roads and I very rarely see a 4WD involved in a accident

Sounds like as much research went into this report as an ACA report

$172,716 grant from the Australian Research Council to research the effectiveness of technology in driving awareness campaigns.> Yeah that sounds like a good use of Tax payers money, Oh look, my sarcasm detector just blew up!!!!

Cheers.

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Reply By: Wisey (NSW) - Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 20:41

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 20:41
Did a search for the Doc' and this turned up.

Quote "This is a unique project using advanced technology to assess behavioural risks associated with
the use of 4WDs and inexperienced drivers"

LP0669606 Dr A Rakotonirainy; Dr F Maire; Mr D Wishart

Approved A unique driver assessment tool to improve four wheel drive and sedan driving competencies
Project Title
2006 : $28,346
2007 : $56,692
2008 : $58,192
2009 : $29,846
Primary RFCD 3504 TRANSPORTATION
APA(I) Award(s): 1

Partner Organisation(s)
MURCOTTS driving excellence
Vigil Systems
QFleet
Administering Institution Queensland University of Technology
Project Summary
Four wheel drive (4WD) sales are booming in Australia. 4WD occupant fatalities occurring in rollovers are over represented
in Australian's road crashes. This is a unique project using advanced technology to assess behavioural risks associated with
the use of 4WDs and inexperienced drivers. It builds a novel, integrated computer-based screening tool to provide objective
and reliable driver training assessments with the aim of (i) reducing crashes relating to inexperience and specific 4WD
crashes and (ii) recommending public policy with regard to 4WD behavioural risks and driver training.

My tally from the above amounts is $173,076. ($172,716)
Andy
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Follow Up By: Lyds- Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 22:47

Monday, Jul 31, 2006 at 22:47
"A Rakotonirainy" isn't right, I'm sure its:

"A Racket-on-aroun'-'ere"

and it looks like they've only just started!
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