dirty lazy 4WDers

I feel the same way! I agree with you Maverick but it is just not right to paint us all with the same brush. I know that this won't change the land owner position any but I think it unfair to blame and punish the other 90% that are doing the right thing.

Kind regards

actually I have to agree with the OP ..
there are more than 10% NOT doing the right thing in my opinion
gmd

I agree - quite apart from my initial comment, I would bet half the people out camping leave crap behind. Pads and toilet paper would probably be 10-20%, and general rubbish would be closer to 50%.......

I know we always have an emu parade after packing up and moving the cars - not even a cigarette butt gets left behind...

Noones going to come on here and say "hell yeah. I always leave my crap behind", are they? So I always take what annonamous people write on forums like this with a grain of salt....

Cheers,

Chump

Not disagreeing only pointing out that a lot of people do the right thing and that a unilateral withdrawal of access seems harsh. A bit like saying no one is allowed to drive because people get killed on roads. Maybe another approach could be considered? It seems the issue of littering seems to crop up periodically and the only solution offered is a total ban, makes me think that the total ban is the first thought and the littering a reason to make that happen.

Kind regards

Not Guilty!

Besides, the dingos would clean it up anyway, they love a good feed of crap

Maverick - your title "dirty lazy 4WDers" made it very clear whose behaviour you were concerned about.

I can't understand why people took offence at your comments - unless they included themselves in that category.

Sorry Slave but you've just touched one of my pet hates.

Burn bash and bury was a system of rubbish disposal espoused 40 years ago and it no longer holds up as far as I am concerned.

If you can carry a full pack in you can carry a full pack out. I don't care what was in the pack in the first place it can still be carried out. If I can do it when I m on foot you can do it when you have a car with you.

A camp fire is for cooking on and to provide warmth and atmosphere when out in the bush it is not a waste disposal system. A camp fire is rarely hot enough to completely dispose of the rubbish anyway.

Duncs

Duncs
I replied to the original post that was refering to toilet rubbish, which we burn and bury, especially after seeing the toilet paper that had been blowing around the Simpson last year.

The rest if we cart it in we cart it out plus any extra if we have the room to carry it which is not always the case with 4 in the car and no campervan.

MRS S

And include all the people not picking up their dog poo on
sports fields ... no excuse to not carry a poo bag ...
we live on a property and you should see the bag of rubbish
we pick every 3 months from people throwing out the window
they would never do that in suburbia .. well some would ..
This is all a pretty hopeless thing ... look how the green looks
after Australia day ?? why do people thinj when they are in a large group
that someone will clean up after them ... but this is not just an
Australian phenomenon ... it usually happens where lowly educated
people gather and thats 90% of a population usually ...not 10%

gmd

I would agree that it is perhaps a minority problem, but greater than some would suspect. I live near the Big River area where a lot of 4bys go and camp. Every spring when the rains come, big river washes a carpet of rubbish out into the lake, and I mean a carpet miles long. It seems many think that burying their rubbish or hiding it means it is not there. Trouble is it resurfaces. How many on here when going to toilet in remote areas, take the shovel and head for the nearest gully or depression and bury the toilet paper. Sorry to say, but much of the time it aint gonna stay there, and also pollutes the waterway. I may be wrong (feel free to correct me), but out in the open, more on a ridge line is the place to go, and don't worry about digging, the sun will break it down faster than wet moist earth. Burn or take the paper. Gives incentive to go more than 10 feet from the campsite for a start.

A lot espousing "I don't rubbish" fail to see the consequences of leaving anything behind, hidden or not. If it is good enough to take it in, it's good enough to take out.

I do not take this discussion as a personal criticism (I ain't no saint), and neither should others on this forum. It is something that should be discussed, not hidden like the rubbish.

I have always liked the saying "Take nothing but photos, leave nothing but footprints". It would be nice if it could be achieved.

gmd,

You obviously don't frequent university campuses :)))) I don't think it has much to do with education, more likely attitude.

As they all say " I is a uni student"

"and its not always practical to carry rubbish
when your out for more than a week"

Why Not ????

Begs the question, what do you do with it ????

Hi PK

That line would read better as reffering to "how rubbish builds up after a week or so" if you can't do something with it.

Hence we pay lot of attention to minimizing it.

Robin Miller

P.S. Did you know there is a small Alexandra 4wd club.

Hey Robin,
What's a small alexandra?

Sounds much better. I agree, just needs some forethought.

AND yes. Have met a few of them around the traps, seem like a good little club.

Hi Wayne

Forgot there is an Alex in NSW to.

Small town in NE victoria pop. 2000 , capital of the shire of Murrindindi , home of some of the best muddy tracks around and near to Eildon where I think PK is, and I am member of that small 4wd club.

Robin Miller

if you can carry the rubbish in then why cant you carry it out. it should take up less room after you have eaten or drank the goods & squashed the packaging

We make it a practice to always take all our rubbish out and pick up bottles and cans left by other people. I think the message is slowy sinking in as I dont think the litter problem is as bad as 30 years ago. The answer is in educating the kids
Cheers Pete

unfortunately when i was up the cape a few years ago i never saw the prob either. Nothing worse that walking away from camp to find a sea of T.P.
Also people recently comenting about the amount of rubbish at Gunshot. I saw this up near Vyrilia Pt. there was a tip/dump and I couldn't believe that people didn't take their rubbish out. they left it at this spot. such a remote location. Like what do people think, a truck will come Wed morning and pick it all up?

Leroy

How do you fill it!?

A week in the bush usually sees me bringing back one (not full) Safeway type plastic bag with a few cans in it, I burn everything else.

I gold prospect in some out the way places and it never ceases to amaze me, that after walking for a couple of hours into remote bush, how often I'll come across a beer can or bottle discarded in the middle of nowhere?

Mike Harding

I have seen a similar idea but the bag was designed to hang on the spare wheel. Keeps any possible smell outside.

Personally I don't care how you carry your rubbish out just as long as you do.

Duncs

The canvas bag has straps that allow it to be fitted to the spare tyre on the back of my Patrol. It has a zipper on the top for easy access to the full width and depth of the bag for rubbish storage. I use a green plastic bag as a liner to avoid smells and liquid stains.

Duncs, you obviously didn't move down the web page as you would have seen exactly what you described, not the duffle bag.

Bloody good gear, and it works!!

You picked it Patrick.

This is what happens when my quiet half hour on the computer is interrupted by those pesky kids wanting to do their homework.

I have tried to explain that my time chatting with you guys is far more important than things like the HSC but SWMBO is a teacher. What can I do?? :-)

Duncs

I think the worst offenders are the supporters of that other team from Perth, the fried dickers. They will need to bury their mess on Footbal park when they s**t themselves.

Barnesy